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They can definitely live up to their name when it comes to playing, but they can adjust to other styles IME. Juno is awesome at this - she'll box and body slam with other boxers, or any dog that shows a willingness to play like that - but she will just as easily stick to chasing games if need be. Most dogs we come across don't like the rough play, and I've never had an issue with her being a turd about it.
There's a bit of SSA within the breed but, I have a household of females and they live together just fine and I never worry about them. Juno's the most peaceful of the 3, actually. If anyone were to start a fight, it certainly wouldn't be her - and she'd be the first one to back down and wave the white flag.
And even with her stranger-danger anxiety issues, she sure knows how to play the part of "menacing attack dog."
There's a bit of SSA within the breed but, I have a household of females and they live together just fine and I never worry about them. Juno's the most peaceful of the 3, actually. If anyone were to start a fight, it certainly wouldn't be her - and she'd be the first one to back down and wave the white flag.
And even with her stranger-danger anxiety issues, she sure knows how to play the part of "menacing attack dog."
Poodles are seriously protective. Way more naturally protective than the average breed, and as mentioned, incredibly sensitive to unusual behavior and changes in the environment.
I'm not saying anyone has to get a Poodle that doesn't want one, but people seriously underestimate the breed. Just because it's possible to make them look silly, doesn't mean their behavior is silly. They tend to step up to what their owner needs out of their dog.
I'm not saying anyone has to get a Poodle that doesn't want one, but people seriously underestimate the breed. Just because it's possible to make them look silly, doesn't mean their behavior is silly. They tend to step up to what their owner needs out of their dog.
If you want to talk to someone about poodles contact Kathy http://www.kandansk.ca/
Ive house sat for her and spend serious time with ther dogs. They are amazing. So stable and smart. Really what you look for in a poodle, not nervy at all. She could probably point you in the right direction of a local, to you, breeder, if you didnt want to ship from Alberta.
Ive house sat for her and spend serious time with ther dogs. They are amazing. So stable and smart. Really what you look for in a poodle, not nervy at all. She could probably point you in the right direction of a local, to you, breeder, if you didnt want to ship from Alberta.
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Would purchasing an adult dog from a breeder who heavily socializes be an option? I know you want a puppy because you want to make sure you give the dog amazing foundations, but it sounds like what you're looking for in protection is a little more than the average pet type breed of dog can offer. All of the breeds I'd be looking into for that kind of protection would lean towards the DA side (not necessarily a Fila, but maybe a milder mastiff, rottie, etc.).
Looking into breeders with maybe a conformation wash-out or any other type of adult rehome, if you can be confident the dog was very well socialized as a pup, would be the route I'd be looking into.
Looking into breeders with maybe a conformation wash-out or any other type of adult rehome, if you can be confident the dog was very well socialized as a pup, would be the route I'd be looking into.
It sounds like between a boxer and st. poodle the poodle would mesh better with the zois. And yeah, the good poodles I have met were really great dogs. It's just not so easy to find people who work them. I think we have a lot of BYB ones around here or something.
I'm really wary of older dogs with these breeds with my kids more than anything. One breeder I'm friends with does fila rescue and usually has at least one or two fosters at any given point. She told me that she'd be comfortable placing a rescue with me, but that she didn't think it was really safe for the kids to take an adult molosser with unknown socialization and child experience and place them in my home. Plus they can become such a huge liability if they aren't handled right, and I don't want anybody (who doesn't deserve it) to get hurt or to lose my house or something because my dog didn't have the foundation work it needed.
That's not to say I'd write off a fantastic breeder return if one turned up at the right time. Just not counting on it happening. If it does, and everything works out perfectly then I'm just going to assume that's what is supposed to happen.
Yeah, I'm sad that so many of the guardy breeds are DA/SSA. Honestly I would love love love an akita (just in general, some day). But I'm not willing to crate and rotate indefinitely so will probably never get an akita because I will always have multiple sight hounds. That's part of what makes the shikokus so appealing. They're pretty similar in many ways but do get along with other dogs.
It seems like the guardy dogs that get along best with others, are dogs that were bred to hunt in packs. A lot of the LGDs don't have any prey drive, just strong defense drive. TMs and kuvasz both get along with other dogs but they're all poofy and no prey drive.
How are laikas and karelian bear dogs with other dogs? In general, I don't really care if they dislike strange dogs as long as they all get along with members of the family. I don't do dog parks and stuff.
I'm really wary of older dogs with these breeds with my kids more than anything. One breeder I'm friends with does fila rescue and usually has at least one or two fosters at any given point. She told me that she'd be comfortable placing a rescue with me, but that she didn't think it was really safe for the kids to take an adult molosser with unknown socialization and child experience and place them in my home. Plus they can become such a huge liability if they aren't handled right, and I don't want anybody (who doesn't deserve it) to get hurt or to lose my house or something because my dog didn't have the foundation work it needed.
That's not to say I'd write off a fantastic breeder return if one turned up at the right time. Just not counting on it happening. If it does, and everything works out perfectly then I'm just going to assume that's what is supposed to happen.
Yeah, I'm sad that so many of the guardy breeds are DA/SSA. Honestly I would love love love an akita (just in general, some day). But I'm not willing to crate and rotate indefinitely so will probably never get an akita because I will always have multiple sight hounds. That's part of what makes the shikokus so appealing. They're pretty similar in many ways but do get along with other dogs.
It seems like the guardy dogs that get along best with others, are dogs that were bred to hunt in packs. A lot of the LGDs don't have any prey drive, just strong defense drive. TMs and kuvasz both get along with other dogs but they're all poofy and no prey drive.
How are laikas and karelian bear dogs with other dogs? In general, I don't really care if they dislike strange dogs as long as they all get along with members of the family. I don't do dog parks and stuff.
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Yeah, I didn't mean an adult rescue or foster, but one that's lived their whole life with the breeder or in a known home where you're comfortably certain they were well socialized and you're given their history.
What about something more along the lines of an Anatolian or ridgeback? Pops says ridgebacks are curs, which I believe, but I've known a dozen with no DA. I've also heard - not sure if this is correct - that dogos were bred to hunt in packs and do well with family dogs, typically. Might be worth looking into.
Eta I missed the prey drive thing, obviously. Why do you need prey drive?
What about something more along the lines of an Anatolian or ridgeback? Pops says ridgebacks are curs, which I believe, but I've known a dozen with no DA. I've also heard - not sure if this is correct - that dogos were bred to hunt in packs and do well with family dogs, typically. Might be worth looking into.
Eta I missed the prey drive thing, obviously. Why do you need prey drive?
The prey drive has to do with them wanting to track. Also, it would be an awesome bonus to have a raccoon hunting buddy. The zois do a great job cleaning up the ones dumb enough to come in the yard, and cleaning them out of neighbor's yards when we get frantic phone calls about aggressive raccoons, but this is what the forest understory here looks like:
or like this with lots of hills
Charlie was fantastic at navigating that sort of terrain and finding game. It's not really so great for sight hounds. Strider can and does use his nose, but I can't let him hunt in a place like that without him vanishing. Plus one of his life goals is to fight a cougar, and I know there's nothing I can do to convince him otherwise or proof him against it. There's enough of them around here if he got a whiff of one he'd be gone in an instant.
It seems weird now that I think of it, but I've never met a dogo before. I think a smooth coated white dog would be okay, where the mud can be mostly wiped off. It's those big wooly coats that are so hard to manage here. Though if I was going to get a dogo I'd probably just go all out and get a fila since I already have good mentors in the breed and access to stable, health tested lines.
ETA: I like ridgebacks. Probably would just go for a BMC over a ridgeback though, for health reasons and it'd be easier to find a BMC from proven working stock than a ridgeback.
or like this with lots of hills
Charlie was fantastic at navigating that sort of terrain and finding game. It's not really so great for sight hounds. Strider can and does use his nose, but I can't let him hunt in a place like that without him vanishing. Plus one of his life goals is to fight a cougar, and I know there's nothing I can do to convince him otherwise or proof him against it. There's enough of them around here if he got a whiff of one he'd be gone in an instant.
It seems weird now that I think of it, but I've never met a dogo before. I think a smooth coated white dog would be okay, where the mud can be mostly wiped off. It's those big wooly coats that are so hard to manage here. Though if I was going to get a dogo I'd probably just go all out and get a fila since I already have good mentors in the breed and access to stable, health tested lines.
ETA: I like ridgebacks. Probably would just go for a BMC over a ridgeback though, for health reasons and it'd be easier to find a BMC from proven working stock than a ridgeback.
The prey drive has to do with them wanting to track. Also, it would be an awesome bonus to have a raccoon hunting buddy. The zois do a great job cleaning up the ones dumb enough to come in the yard, and cleaning them out of neighbor's yards when we get frantic phone calls about aggressive raccoons, but this is what the forest understory here looks like:
or like this with lots of hills
Charlie was fantastic at navigating that sort of terrain and finding game. It's not really so great for sight hounds. Strider can and does use his nose, but I can't let him hunt in a place like that without him vanishing. Plus one of his life goals is to fight a cougar, and I know there's nothing I can do to convince him otherwise or proof him against it. There's enough of them around here if he got a whiff of one he'd be gone in an instant.
It seems weird now that I think of it, but I've never met a dogo before. I think a smooth coated white dog would be okay, where the mud can be mostly wiped off. It's those big wooly coats that are so hard to manage here. Though if I was going to get a dogo I'd probably just go all out and get a fila since I already have good mentors in the breed and access to stable, health tested lines.
ETA: I like ridgebacks. Probably would just go for a BMC over a ridgeback though, for health reasons and it'd be easier to find a BMC from proven working stock than a ridgeback.
or like this with lots of hills
Charlie was fantastic at navigating that sort of terrain and finding game. It's not really so great for sight hounds. Strider can and does use his nose, but I can't let him hunt in a place like that without him vanishing. Plus one of his life goals is to fight a cougar, and I know there's nothing I can do to convince him otherwise or proof him against it. There's enough of them around here if he got a whiff of one he'd be gone in an instant.
It seems weird now that I think of it, but I've never met a dogo before. I think a smooth coated white dog would be okay, where the mud can be mostly wiped off. It's those big wooly coats that are so hard to manage here. Though if I was going to get a dogo I'd probably just go all out and get a fila since I already have good mentors in the breed and access to stable, health tested lines.
ETA: I like ridgebacks. Probably would just go for a BMC over a ridgeback though, for health reasons and it'd be easier to find a BMC from proven working stock than a ridgeback.
It sounds like a good BMC or a fila will probably be best. 
Around here in the woods treeing is just about the only way dogs can catch raccoons. Once in a while Strider manages to beat one to the nearest tree when we're on a pasture walk, but it doesn't happen all that often. And that's with all the underbrush eaten out by cattle.
Thanks for all the leads on cur breeders too. I'll see if I can get out and meet some of them in person. A few aren't too far away from here.
Around here in the woods treeing is just about the only way dogs can catch raccoons. Once in a while Strider manages to beat one to the nearest tree when we're on a pasture walk, but it doesn't happen all that often. And that's with all the underbrush eaten out by cattle. Thanks for all the leads on cur breeders too. I'll see if I can get out and meet some of them in person. A few aren't too far away from here.
I love Dogos for guard dogs. Very intuitive and they seem to recognize quickly friend from foe. Their white coats clean up pretty easy as they aren't hairy like the Kuvasz, but they do shed white on everything!
And while my Dogos and Greyhounds have always gotten along, Dogos are pretty SSA in general, but that is going to be an issue with about any guardian breed.
This was one of my foster Dogos
She stopped an intruder that came into my home. Someone I knew, but had a restraining order against. She was locked in my bedroom and when he opened the door, she attacked and tore him up pretty severely. He was not your average trespasser and is super strong (body builder) and wacked out on drugs. Stabbed her in the head with a pocket knife breaking the blade in her skull and beat her breaking/cracking her ribs and some severe bruising. She didn't stop until she was pulled off him. 3 months later he came by and she darn near went through my front window to get him. She wasn't done with him.
But this was her with children:
Dobes while they do have SSA, I have had 2 male Dobes together and with my male Dogos and male Greyhounds.
Casper my male Dogo grew up with Dobes and Greyhounds still at 9 yrs old he will still love a friendly one of either breed male or female. And Casper can be very dog selective and has tried to kill many male dogs just on site, must less giving them a chance to do anything. But he acts like a puppy when he sees a Dobe.
Here he was playing with my 7 yr old foster Dobe
Didn't even mind a butt chomp
Female Dogo and 2 adult male Dobes
My old pack- 2 female Dogos, 2 male Dobes, 2 male Greyhounds (one not pictured) and male foster Dogo mix. So males can get along, it just depends on the dogs. The cropped male Dobe was very dominant and tried to kill a male Bullmastiff, but was perfectly fine with Zeus my heart Dobe who was a few years older than him and they played constantly and never had an issue with my Greys. He would kill small dogs though and cats, but that was his super high preydrive.
And while my Dogos and Greyhounds have always gotten along, Dogos are pretty SSA in general, but that is going to be an issue with about any guardian breed.
This was one of my foster Dogos
She stopped an intruder that came into my home. Someone I knew, but had a restraining order against. She was locked in my bedroom and when he opened the door, she attacked and tore him up pretty severely. He was not your average trespasser and is super strong (body builder) and wacked out on drugs. Stabbed her in the head with a pocket knife breaking the blade in her skull and beat her breaking/cracking her ribs and some severe bruising. She didn't stop until she was pulled off him. 3 months later he came by and she darn near went through my front window to get him. She wasn't done with him.
But this was her with children:
Dobes while they do have SSA, I have had 2 male Dobes together and with my male Dogos and male Greyhounds.
Casper my male Dogo grew up with Dobes and Greyhounds still at 9 yrs old he will still love a friendly one of either breed male or female. And Casper can be very dog selective and has tried to kill many male dogs just on site, must less giving them a chance to do anything. But he acts like a puppy when he sees a Dobe.
Here he was playing with my 7 yr old foster Dobe
Didn't even mind a butt chomp
Female Dogo and 2 adult male Dobes
My old pack- 2 female Dogos, 2 male Dobes, 2 male Greyhounds (one not pictured) and male foster Dogo mix. So males can get along, it just depends on the dogs. The cropped male Dobe was very dominant and tried to kill a male Bullmastiff, but was perfectly fine with Zeus my heart Dobe who was a few years older than him and they played constantly and never had an issue with my Greys. He would kill small dogs though and cats, but that was his super high preydrive.
Whitewave,
I love your pack, nice pic.
You got so lucky with your male dobes. I think anyone who really knew dobes would tell you there is a over 90% chance of male dobes being highly SSA. Glad all of yours got along though.
I love your pack, nice pic.
You got so lucky with your male dobes. I think anyone who really knew dobes would tell you there is a over 90% chance of male dobes being highly SSA. Glad all of yours got along though.
Parents had male Dobe with other male dogs when I was born and younger, don't really remember him but we have pictures. I fostered tons of male Dobes and knock on wood- never really had an issue, probably well over 50 Dobes with males being the biggest majority. Granted all mine were rescue Dobes, but still they got along except one and he was aggressive with all dogs male or female. Had to be placed as an only dog.
Gunner and Casper playing bitey face
Zeus with 3 male Greyhounds
All male
Zeus and Gunner
Zeus and Barker
Zeus and Spot- now Gunner could not be near him, he hated him
Casper (Dogo) Gunner and Dakota (Dobes) Red (Min Pin) all males
Gunner, Zeus and Dakota all males
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We have a karelian at work and she is.....interesting. she loves to grab and hang off of the other dogs whether they like it or not. Needless to say, she's unpopular with them. She's not aggresive, exactly, but they do find her to be obnoxious. She's only 10 months though so there's plenty of time for da to coe out
For most of what you need, I think a good security system will suffice. Other than that...Fila. Totally. However, they sort of outgrow the "easy to lift" criteria.
Other than your dislike of herding breeds, a good Aussie is invaluable. There is *nothing* getting in my place without me knowing about it, Sawyer is still plenty easy for me to lift, DA/SSA is pretty rare, good with kids and the hair is about as easy as 'zoi hair to clean up.
Other than your dislike of herding breeds, a good Aussie is invaluable. There is *nothing* getting in my place without me knowing about it, Sawyer is still plenty easy for me to lift, DA/SSA is pretty rare, good with kids and the hair is about as easy as 'zoi hair to clean up.
Been away from the computer for a few days but just wanted to say, Whitewave your dogos are GORGEOUS! You've got a great looking bunch there, it's so cool that all those boys get along so well.
That sounds like borzoi style play. :rofl1: I can't take them to a dog park because they'll single out a dog, one will grab its head and the other will grab the back legs. They don't try to hurt it, just want to run around holding on like that. If dogs are used to them it's fine but most strange dogs react like AAUUGGGHHH THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL MEEEE!!!
Charlie was so chill with it. He'd just run along with them holding his back legs off the ground like they were all playing wheelbarrow together.
That sounds like borzoi style play. :rofl1: I can't take them to a dog park because they'll single out a dog, one will grab its head and the other will grab the back legs. They don't try to hurt it, just want to run around holding on like that. If dogs are used to them it's fine but most strange dogs react like AAUUGGGHHH THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL MEEEE!!!
Charlie was so chill with it. He'd just run along with them holding his back legs off the ground like they were all playing wheelbarrow together.