Buddy...wouldn't he be a wonderful dog for the White House!!

[Renee750il]

2. I would be willing to put money on it that the breeders I know of on this forum have never had a dog be PTS because their wasnt room in the shelter for it.

of course not...it's not the breeders who do it - it's the people who buy the dogs.

Responsible, ethical breeders are NOT putting dogs into shelters and pounds. They not only screen the homes their puppies go to intensely, they also have clauses in their contracts with buyers that stipulates that if for any reason the buyer cannot keep the dog, it is to come back to them. Often they will microchip their puppies and register the microchip in their name to help ensure that none of their dogs end up in shelters.

What part of that needs to be put into smaller words for you?

 

[scarediecat++]

Renee750il; The bottom line is "freedom"!!!

Now I guess that says it all doesn't it.

Thanks every one for re-confirming my greatest fears and upholding the reality of the hopelessness of it all because of the "don't ask me to sacrifice" attitude that is still alive and well in the dog world of good ol' USA.

 

[bjdobson]

Never mind.

 

[Renee750il]

We are starting a friendly petition for president Obama to adopt a dog from the pound that is about to be euthanized. Because President Obama is always saying he is “the common man†he should keep that theme going in every aspect. For example, he also says he is for the underdog, why doesn't he rescue a dog (to live with him and his family in the White House) rather than do what every other President in the White House has done and buy and over priced pure breed dog. If he would rescue a dog he would send a much needed message that breeding is adding to the over population of dogs in the US. Visit a dog pound and see all the pure bread dogs in there that are to be euthanized. If a 5 year ban were passed to stop breeding of any kind of dog that would give us who rescue dogs a chance to catch up with those who breed dogs for money. I have a wonderful pure white American Eskimo mix that I rescued from Fort Campbell Animal Shelter 2 days before he was to be euthanized. I would love to donate him to the President and his family. Email the White House today suggesting that if the President would adopt a “pound dog†it would be a wonderful show of support for animal rescue. (To see a photo of Buddy go to blogspot.com Scarediecat's blog

vanillasugar: have you even read any of my other post? I said "responsible breeders give their dogs down time before breeding again"...I said "I know they aren't putting out pups like the mills....

I also said...See this is exactly what I mean...rabbit trails...we have gone from one simple subject to me hating breeds, me hating breeders, me TELLING the Prez he MUST get this kind of dog, on and on....FOCUS PEOPLE. I can't help wonder why everyone is pulling out all these “rabbit trails†out of the hat instead of answering the simple question I'm asking. Are you honestly going to tell me that you would not be willing to stop breeding your dogs for 2 years if it would help in any way the over population of dogs in our pounds? THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. YES OR NO!

Oh. Yah. It's very plain that a voluntary 2 year cessation of breeding was what your original post was all about. :rofl1:

 

[vanillasugar]

vanillasugar: have you even read any of my other post? I said "responsible breeders give their dogs down time before breeding again"...I said "I know they aren't putting out pups like the mills....

Yet you continue to promote a ridiculous concept that would destroy dog breeds as we know them and have no influence on the true problem.

Are you honestly going to tell me that you would not be willing to stop breeding your dogs for 2 years if it would help in any way the over population of dogs in our pounds? THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. YES OR NO!

Two years would do nothing. And no, if I DID breed dogs (which I do not), I would not stop for two years because it would make NO difference to the overcrowding of shelters. If I DID breed, I would guarantee you a dog from my lines would NEVER end up in a shelter. Ever.

 

[PoodleMommy]

2. I would be willing to put money on it that the breeders I know of on this forum have never had a dog be PTS because their wasnt room in the shelter for it.


of course not...it's not the breeders who do it - it's the people who buy the dogs.

let me rephrase since you cant seem to follow a simple conversation... the people who buy the dogs of the breeders on this forum will never give their dog to a shelter because the breeder will take it back!

And you didnt answer my first question... oh thats right you dont answer any question you dont like.

 

[scarediecat++]

Enjoy you income and be sure to keep the attitude of "what can we do to stop the killing of all those poor lil "mutt" doggies out there? Let someone else deal with it...I'm too busy with my life and interest and opinions".

 

[ACooper]

OH give me a freaking break.

You didn't answer how you propose to stop mills for two years............do you NOT get that MILLS and BYB are the ones who fill up the shelters?

 

[Renee750il]

And I OWNED a purebred dog. Had to rehome him. Breeder didn't want him. In the contract, too. Nope, do whatever you want.

Not ALL responsible breeders (even if they seem responsible) are responsible.

Then that wasn't a responsible breeder, was it? There should have been a clause in the contract specifying that the dog would be returned to the breeder if there was any reason you couldn't keep it, no questions asked.

 

[bjdobson]

Then that wasn't a responsible breeder, was it? There should have been a clause in the contract specifying that the dog would be returned to the breeder if there was any reason you couldn't keep it, no questions asked.

There WAS such a clause, Renee. That was my point.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

IF I had a puppy buyer who could not keep their dog, and IF this puppy buyer had someone who knew the dog and was interested, I would screen that home. If I could qualify the home, I would make a new contract, have the new owners agree to it and sign it, and place the dog in that way.

That is the only circumstance under which I would not take a dog back. If a person was in a situation where they HAD to rehome their dog, I would try to make it as easy as possible for them. That would have to be a heart breaking decision for anyone to have to make.

 

[vanillasugar]

Going back to the topic of this post - NO I do NOT think Buddy would make an excellent dog for the white house.

Just because he is a rescue does not make him perfect, and from the sounds of it he is COMPLETELY unsuitable to what the Obama's have stated they require in a dog.

 

[bjdobson]

IF I had a puppy buyer who could not keep their dog, and IF this puppy buyer had someone who knew the dog and was interested, I would screen that home. If I could qualify the home, I would make a new contract, have the new owners agree to it and sign it, and place the dog in that way.

That is the only circumstance under which I would not take a dog back. If a person was in a situation where they HAD to rehome their dog, I would try to make it as easy as possible for them. That would have to be a heart breaking decision for anyone to have to make.

It was. And I was aghast that the breeder didn't care. So much for being responsible. Her contract obviously meant NOTHING.

Someone else I knew volunteered to rehome him for me and did a wonderful job at it. I know where the dog is and hear about him all the time. He's well loved and taken care of

Now back to your regularly schedule program...

No, he wouldn't be a good candidate. No way.

 

[Renee750il]

There WAS such a clause, Renee. That was my point.

Oh, now that SUCKS. I'd have been livid, as I'm sure you were.

 

[bjdobson]

Oh, now that SUCKS. I'd have been livid, as I'm sure you were.

Major big time!!!!!!!

 

[shadowfacedanes]

Enjoy you income

:rofl1: :rofl1: :rofl1:

You think good breeders MAKE money on their pups???

Boy oh boy do you need some edumacation on what a good breeder is.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Let's reduce that 5 year ban to a 2 year ban...would that work or is that still too much to sacrifice for saving the lives of thousands of throw away dogs?

Did the national "let's not buy gas today" day do anything to affect gas prices? What you should be doing is giving 100% support to reputable breeders. Teach people how to find them and avoid going to BYBs. Because rest assured, no BYBs will respect a moratorium. And neither will any reputable breeders, as the strength of their program relies on their ability to make smart choices, not the guvmint's ability to tell them how they should be breeding. If I had a 3-year-old bitch that I wanted to breed, and someone told me to wait until she was 8, I'd tell them they were off their nut.

 

[Miakoda]

Enjoy you income and be sure to keep the attitude of "what can we do to stop the killing of all those poor lil "mutt" doggies out there? Let someone else deal with it...I'm too busy with my life and interest and opinions".

You never bothered to answer any of my questions. How come?

In order to preach something, you must be able to back up your stance with why you would be doing it AND how it could be implemented. Just ranting full of emotion makes you entirely not credible.

I've been fighting BSL long enough to know. If I go in there with a bleeding heart mentality and speaking purely out of emotion, I will get nowhere. Why? Because I would be unable to get across the point and unable to truly address the issue at hand. Stating "my dog hasn't done anything wrong" and "it's all in how you raise them" has absolutely no affect on a group working to ban certain breeds. What does work is educating them on the breeds. What does work is bringing up the issue of current laws that are currently going unenforced because if they were properly enforced, all these dogs bites wouldn't even be happening. Same goes for all the neglect cases. No need to ban 'pit bulls' so dogfighter wouldn't have a breed to abuse and neglect, just enforce the current animal cruelty laws. What does work is offering reasonable and very doable solutions such as offering ways to increase funding for more AC officers to enforce the current laws. Offer ways to make the fines/sentences stiffer for those who break those laws.

Maybe you don't see the correlation between your issue and mine, but it's right there. You can't just go on preaching "stop all breeding & rescue those poor dying dogs sitting in kennels in the pound/shelter!" and expect people to take you or the situation seriously. You need to fully understand the situation, and blaming it on responsible breeders isn't it. Not to mention that many dogs sitting in shelters have unstable temperaments and some severe behavioral problems that the general pet owner has no right trying to deal with them. There are dogs in shelters that should honestly be euthanized versus having someone just try to put them "in the right home". Not ever dog sitting in a shelter is directly from a breeder.

You need to step back and educate yourself on ALL the reasons dogs end up in shelters. You then need to start educating the public on what a backyard breeder is and why they are detrimental not just to the breeds they own, but also to dogs in general. You need to be out there educating people on responsible dog ownership (having just a fenced-in backyard doesn't cut it). You need to be out there explaining why people should do their research into their breed of choice and getting to know their mixed-breed of choice because their choice may very well not be the proper fit and then what? The dog ends up getting dumped. Just thrusting a dog into the hands of anyone and expecting the union to work out harmoniously is naive at best and downright destructive at worst...and may even cost that dog it's life.

Save dogs is a lot more than just about going to the shelter, adopting one, and then finding a new home for it. IMO that can almost be seen as shirking the responsibility onesself. You might feel good about placing that dog, but if you didn't know that dog and didn't portray that dog accurately to it's new owner, then you might've just made a sad situation even worse.

As I don't know exactly how you do things in terms of your replacement, I cannot speculate, but like I mentioned, "saving" animals in the name of being their savior is not helping them near as much as it is helping you.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Weeeelllllll... *stretches* Happy Monday Mornin' to y'all! Why do I miss out on all the fun anyway? Hmph. Still going to put my 0.02 in though.

We are starting a friendly petition for president Obama to adopt a dog from the pound that is about to be euthanized. Because President Obama is always saying he is “the common man†he should keep that theme going in every aspect. For example, he also says he is for the underdog, why doesn't he rescue a dog (to live with him and his family in the White House) rather than do what every other President in the White House has done and buy and over priced pure breed dog. If he would rescue a dog he would send a much needed message that breeding is adding to the over population of dogs in the US. Visit a dog pound and see all the pure bread dogs in there that are to be euthanized. If a 5 year ban were passed to stop breeding of any kind of dog that would give us who rescue dogs a chance to catch up with those who breed dogs for money. I have a wonderful pure white American Eskimo mix that I rescued from Fort Campbell Animal Shelter 2 days before he was to be euthanized. I would love to donate him to the President and his family. Email the White House today suggesting that if the President would adopt a “pound dog†it would be a wonderful show of support for animal rescue. (To see a photo of Buddy go to blogspot.com Scarediecat's blog

Your first mistake: "friendly petition". Yeah right. Any petition ever made has been to get people to do what other people want them to do.

Who are you to say what kind of dog the President gets? Who are any of us? Sure it's nice to guess or think, "I hope he gets a ____ ". But it's pretty darn ballsy to try to start a petition to get him to do what you want. Just because you know a beautiful mutt from a local shelter doesn't mean you know the President and his family well enough to place a dog in his home.

Ooookkkk, so I can't voice my opinion but you can about your pet peeves? Would it help if I eliminate the statement “put a ban on breeding of ANY KIND†from my statement??? It seems to me only dog breeders get so MEAN when you broach the subject of dog over population in the US. What would your answer be? How would you suggest we stop having thousands of dogs put to sleep needlessly each week?

Well it seems to be that you are incredibly mistaken as I think only one breeder has posted in this thread. Surely you didn't think you would be able to come on to a dog forum full of intelligent individuals who are very much capable of thinking for themselves and try to pull the wool over their eyes with your AR ideas? I mean, that would be really silly! Guess you learned your lesson there scarediecat!

Buddy is only one choice of "rescued" dogs to choose from. Why are you ignoring the "meaning" of the first statement which is..."wouldn't it be nice if President Obama would adopt a rescue dog". I do have to wonder why you are making this into an issue over certain breeds, do I hate RESPONSIBLE breeders (which I don't - I just simply WANT to at least reduce the dog population in the US so that throw away dogs will be a thing of the past), etc. The issue is - President Obama says he is a common man for the common man! What is more common than a "pound dog". It would fit into his "persona" that he is pitching to the public.

Wouldn't it be nice if the President could pick his own dog? Oh wait, he is! It's not YOUR decision. Not everyone is meant for a pound dog. Their temperaments are unpredictable, histories are most likely unknown... health problems? Who knows? I myself have two "pound" dogs and while I wouldn't give either up for anything, one came with a shitload of health problems and it's been HARD. But I made that decision myself to bring him home. No one else did.

hhhmmmm...must be talking to dog breeders Good thing we all love dogs on this forum and only have their best interest at heart.

Yes, good thing we do. I wonder about you, though.

We also have ARistas for breakfast with bacon and eggs.

:rofl1:

vanillasugar: have you even read any of my other post? I said "responsible breeders give their dogs down time before breeding again"...I said "I know they aren't putting out pups like the mills....

I also said...See this is exactly what I mean...rabbit trails...we have gone from one simple subject to me hating breeds, me hating breeders, me TELLING the Prez he MUST get this kind of dog, on and on....FOCUS PEOPLE. I can't help wonder why everyone is pulling out all these “rabbit trails†out of the hat instead of answering the simple question I'm asking. Are you honestly going to tell me that you would not be willing to stop breeding your dogs for 2 years if it would help in any way the over population of dogs in our pounds? THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. YES OR NO!

Is it? I thought you were wanting us to join your friendly petition? FOCUS scarediecat... responsible breeders are not the problem... BYB's, puppymills, so point your guns somewhere else.

Thanks every one for re-confirming my greatest fears and upholding the reality of the hopelessness of it all because of the "don't ask me to sacrifice" attitude that is still alive and well in the dog world of good ol' USA.

I don't think you needed to come here for that... I think you really didn't need to go any further than your own mirror.

Enjoy you income and be sure to keep the attitude of "what can we do to stop the killing of all those poor lil "mutt" doggies out there? Let someone else deal with it...I'm too busy with my life and interest and opinions".

Again, pretty ballsy of you to hop onto a forum and assume things about a great number of people just because of ONE discussion. You have no idea what any of us do. Way to promote your cause. Really. *golfclap*

 

[Renee750il]

:first: Miakoda :hail: :hail:

Have a couple yourself, too, Nik