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I'll admit that when I first looked at the picture, I was kind of creeped out. A little girl pretending to breastfeed?!

But then I started thinking . . . what about baby dolls in general? If a doll that breastfeeds is disturbing because it means little girls are acting like they have boobies, shouldn't we get upset about baby dolls because they are encouraging girls to imitate women who have had sex and given birth--things young girls shouldn't be doing? If we don't want our children pretending they're breast-feeding, why are we okay with them pretending they pushed a baby out of their private parts? (And yes, young girls know EXACTLY where babies come from. Sorry, Mr. Stork.)

I don't think it's fair to view baby dolls in general as okay, but a "breast-feeding" baby doll as taboo. The whole "theme" of baby dolls is that girls get to pretend to be grown-ups with babies who do grown-up things. Well . . . there are grown-ups who breast feed babies.

I have no love for mechanized toys and I do think the imagination is a wonderful thing, but I have not noticed a big outcry against dolls that pee, poop, and have diaper rash, all of which are a lot more disturbing than breast-feeding.
 

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Here, I guess the question would be, if you know that you're going to shock or make other people uncomfortable, why do it? That's what covers are for. A man wouldn't go shirtless in a restaurant, why should a woman show her breasts, breastfeeding or not? It's about respect.
I understand the logic you're trying to apply.

However, it is not about whether it's some woman's prerogative to go topless or expose herself. It is about nourishing a child. It is a natural function and, therefore, in my opinion and in the opinions of many others, this activity should be exempt from the same judgement you would use to excuse or condemn other acts of "indecency".
 

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If women never wanted to shock, we wouldn't be able to vote.

Sorry, but you have to make a stand and offend a few people to have something accepted sometimes.
 

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It doesn't offend me/make me uncomfortable when women breastfeed in public. We have two breastfeeding doctors at work, so it's quite a part of my day by this point. Someone is always feeding, leaving to feed, or going to a private place to pump...

That said, when I have my own child, I won't breastfeed in public. It may be a natural function, but for myself I'm not comfortable exposing my body parts to everyone. It has nothing to do with sex for me, I'm just not going to whip out a boob in public, nipple covered by an infant or not. Going to the bathroom is a natural function too, but I'm not about to that in public either. I'll either head to a bathroom, the car, or I'll bring a bottle. That's just me though, and that is in no way saying that others should feel the same at all.
 

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I've seen some women who are so good at being discreet that had I not known what they were doing... I would never have known..lol

I've just seen a few too many that have just not cared about at least trying to be discreet and would whip out a whole boob. My whole point is that there is no reason why a breastfeeding mom can't be discreet and understand that not all people are okay with exposed breasts in public. I guess it's hard for some to undertand that breasts are functional in more ways than one.

If I was able to breastfeed my child, I would have done it in public without hesitating. But I would have covered up or at the very least made sure that my shirt was drooping down enough to cover my breast. And I'm sorry... but I would not breastfeed my baby sitting at a restaurant table.. that's just me. I would go to my car or plan my restaurant outing around my baby's feeding time.

Breast is best, and I think most of us can agree with that. I don't think anyone here is saying they don't agree with being able to breastfeed in public. I agree.. it's a matter of manners. It's not a sin to belch or fart, it's a NATURAL thing.. but you wouldn't let them rip just anywhere. No, I'm not trying to compare breastfeeding to farting.. I was just merely using it as an analogy.
 

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Going to the bathroom is a natural function too, but I'm not about to that in public either. I'll either head to a bathroom, the car, or I'll bring a bottle.
:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

Sorry, this read like...those were your options when you have to go to the bathroom. You'll either head to the bathroom (ok, normal) or your car (umm...) or bring a bottle for it (UHHH....).

hehehehe
 

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I understand the logic you're trying to apply.

However, it is not about whether it's some woman's prerogative to go topless or expose herself. It is about nourishing a child. It is a natural function and, therefore, in my opinion and in the opinions of many others, this activity should be exempt from the same judgement you would use to excuse or condemn other acts of "indecency".
Your argument would be a good one if there was no other option... but there are. Even if it's just a T-shirt. I guess in the end it comes down to whether people care about bothering others...
 

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:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

Sorry, this read like...those were your options when you have to go to the bathroom. You'll either head to the bathroom (ok, normal) or your car (umm...) or bring a bottle for it (UHHH....).

hehehehe
LOl i read it the same way at first too and then it clicked that she meant for feeding the baby and not for nature's call lol
 

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:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:

Sorry, this read like...those were your options when you have to go to the bathroom. You'll either head to the bathroom (ok, normal) or your car (umm...) or bring a bottle for it (UHHH....).

hehehehe
I didn't read it that way, but now after reading how you read it I went back and re read it and it was worth the re read... lolol Thanks for the chuckle!
 

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The problem is that you have to adapt to the society you live in... It's manners 101. In France you see women half naked on the beach and breastfeeding in public wouldn't be such a big deal, even without a cover.
Here, I guess the question would be, if you know that you're going to shock or make other people uncomfortable, why do it? That's what covers are for. A man wouldn't go shirtless in a restaurant, why should a woman show her breasts, breastfeeding or not? It's about respect. Whether you like it or not, 99% of people associate breasts with sex in this country, and it's rude to show them. But yeah, if people complain when you use a cover, it's their problem, lol.

About the doll, I wouldn't buy it. It's just dumb. Let kids decide how they want to feed their dolls!


And Hooters is JUST an example that BREAST ARE EVERYWHERE! But no one has an issue with eating hot wings and boobs!

Rude to show them? In restaurants? News to me! Then why isn't everyone else not using covers...this is including your servers.

I mean some waitress applications require photos, because of course how could you be a server with a-cup breast...it wouldn't look right in the overly expose uniform they make you wear.

But this is what americans want, sexy waitresses with big boobs, yes even women.........but yet we have an issue with breastfeeding?!


Yes lets adapt to being the over-sexualized country we are, only viewing women as sex symbols, only good for how their bodies look and not what they're made for, for breast to be only for our viewing pleasure but not for nurishment for babies.

Oh and I like how Victoria Secret is so anti-breastfeeding in their stores when breast are plaster everywhere in the store....the irony.
 

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In this society with so many shocking things to look at plastered everywhere I really am not concerned with what people think of me breastfeeding in public. I am more concerned with people's mentality. How and why is it ok to market breasts as sexual objects but not ok to market them for what they are designed for?

I guess I better be thankful that I have small breasts. Even if I tried to show off what I got no one can see it because Chloe's head is so much bigger than my breast. :rofl1:

Edit to add: Now that's irony Juicy!
 

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I wouldn't say this country is oversexualized by any means...we're undersexualized and oversensitive is more like it. Part of my job is to try and take the taboo out of talking about sex in an open manner, because it does more harm than good in multiple facets of life.

I'm kind of creeped out by the toy at any rate, nothing specifically, just am. Then again, I was never really one to play too much with dolls as a kid...I had one and she had one of those "magically refilling" bottles. I took her everywhere and would talk to the doll like a person and was just utterly absorbed by that bottle, but that was about it.
 

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Breast taboo

In North America and in many other westernized countries a woman's breasts are a taboo: they are supposed to be hidden. Exposing woman's breasts in public is considered shameful and inappropriate ("indecent exposure") even on beaches or while breastfeeding. In other words, breasts - or at least the nipple - are supposed to be covered at all times.

Parents tend to teach their children the same way, and many times children don't see a single naturally nude breast (apart from their own) while growing up. It is totally possible that a child grows up in North America and never sees a baby breastfeeding!

However, while exposing breasts in public is a “no-no'', children and young people often see breasts (although practically never the nipples) displayed in a sexually provocative fashion on television, on the Internet, and in magazines. Breasts are actually emphasized in the advertisements, which signals to our young people that breasts are a sexual object, and only beautiful when big and protruding.

However, we know that the larger breasts in the media is often just a fallacy, since the models and actors use push-up bras and breast enlargement to artificially enhance the way their breasts look like. Besides that, the photographs are always airbrushed to look just "right". Just think: if young girls continually see this propaganda without a balancing view of natural naked breasts, it is no wonder they also start seriously worrying about the size and shape of their own breasts even to the point of suicide!

And women do greatly worry about their breast size as proven by the huge amount of augmentation surgeries: according to American Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, in 2006 383,336 women had a breast augmentation. The same year, cosmetic surgeries were up 446% from the year 1997.

"Even at the age of 27, I have probably seen only 10 or 15 pairs of real breasts. Most of my knowledge about breasts comes from movies and magazines. But actresses use body doubles to give the illusion of a more "perfect" body, and photographs of models have been airbrushed to remove any "unsightly" bumps or discoloration. ...
When girls as young as 12 talk about getting breast implants based on this standard, I say we have a serious problem. Three 14-year-old girls have told me separately that they need breast enlargement surgery, with nothing to base their body hatred on but a stolen copy of Playboy. ...
How can we say that to view a woman's breasts will damage children, when it is so clear what not seeing them is doing?"
Allison Roberts at TERA articles page

"I would say most women are not happy [with their breasts]. I took a bunch of slides of women's breasts, as part of a slide show I put together, and every single woman who took off her shirt for me, had something to say, "Like, my breasts used to be great, but now they're saggy." Or, "I bet I've got the smallest breasts you've ever seen." So, unfortunately, many of them are not happy. ...

But you know, of the women I interviewed, the ones that were happiest with their breasts were the women while they were breastfeeding. They weren't thinking about, "Is it too small? Is it too big?" It's just doing something wonderful."
Carolyn Latteier, the author of Breasts, The Women's Perspective on an American Obsession, in Berman & Berman's TV program "All about breasts". (aired June 4, 2002, see transcript)



Breast obsession and men
While nearly all US women are worried or even obsessed about their breast size and shape, some men have definite obsessions with female breasts are a source of sexual fantasy / turn-on. For these men, it is not just a general appreciation of the female figure or the various body parts, but a fetish, an extreme fixation or obsession. They get sexually inspired by looking at pictures with cleavage, where breasts are enticingly almost visible, yet hidden. While these men probably realize that this is happening, and feel they enjoy it, they are nevertheless "bound" by this behavior.

The general breast taboo and the provocative visual images in the media greatly encourage men to view breasts as objects of sexual arousal and play. Men are actually being conditioned to see breasts as sexual - to them, breasts become almost like inanimate objects that automatically "click" their brains to the "turn-on" mode.

This "obsession" is to be distinguished from a general appreciation of breasts for what they are (source of nourishment). Boys who were breast-fed as babies have a deep-seated "built-in" appreciation for a woman's breasts due to the child-mother relationship. This is NOT sexual in nature, nor arousing, but merely an instinctive appreciation towards breasts deep in one's psyche (soul).

A comment we received in December 2006:

"Yet I disagree that it is women who are most bound by the perversion of our culture. In truth I believe that we men equally suffer. The corrupted view of breasts is designed to make men more and more subject to the attacks of sexual ads and entertainment. This propels men to sexual indulgence and women to become more sexually enticing, in which both become morally destitute and often victims of criminal acts. Surely, our very genetics make more fit bodies appealing, but sexual obsession with nudity and particularly with breasts has been planned to spike our naturally tendencies into money-making impropriety."

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The media images are screwed up.

So who benefits from this total taboo of female breasts? That is not hard to answer: the pornographic industry can now earn good money by showing men bare breasts that they can not see elsewhere. And truly: if this taboo was any less, for example if topless sunbathing was widely accepted and practiced, everybody would know how female breasts looked like - and pornographic magazines would sell a whole lot less.

Fortunately, not all men are obsessed in this manner. This man has a healthy attitude:

"...breasts are just one of the MANY things that compose a lady's physical appearance; and physical appearance is just one of the many things that influence my attraction to her. Physical appearance is important, but when I imagine the woman of my dreams, I think of a woman who is confident, loyal, and loves me with all her heart. Everything else is negotiable."

Jason
Other cultures
European women commonly go topless on beaches, and many European countries also have nudist beaches where people sunbath naked, yet the atmosphere is decent and non-sexual, and people are at ease. The sauna culture in Finland makes people used to seeing nude bodies, and they don't view breasts as such a taboo. Primitive tribes in hot climates wear very little clothing and it is no big deal to them.

Naturists from all over the world always emphasize how sexuality does not equal nudity; nudity is not sexually stimulating if the atmosphere and attitudes are non-sexual. In fact, seeing bare breasts on a topless beach is able to de-sensitize men's minds and take away the "breasts -> sexual stimulation" connection.

Of course breasts are a female body part, and there is nothing wrong in considering them beautiful as part of a woman's body. But let's let breasts be like legs, hips, neck, face, and all the other body parts of a female - not lis some almost inanimate objects that automatically "click" men's brains' to the "turn on" mode.

"Well, we do have a peculiar obsession with breasts in this culture. A lot of people think it's just the human nature to be fascinated with breasts but in many cultures, breasts aren't sexual at all. I interviewed a young anthropologist working with women in Mali, in a country in Africa where women go around with bare breasts. They're always feeding their babies. And when she told them that in our culture men are fascinated with breasts there was an instant of shock. The women burst out laughing. They laughed so hard, they fell on the floor. They said, "You mean, men act like babies?"
Its ashame parents are afraid to expose their children to breastfeeding, when there are INDEED bigger issues! And saying that parents are afraid to expose?! their children to breastfeeding.......and no wonder why America has the lowest rates in breastfeeding in the world.
 

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Zoom thanks for bringing that up! I remember as a child wanting a Baby Born, because of how realistic to the real thing it was, even if it soiled itself. Kids do want realistic. How many of you say for the child to use their imagination about how the doll is fed and wouldn't buy your child a breastfeeding doll, would say that about a doll that comes attach with a bottle?

Many wouldn't, why? Because bottle-feeding is normal! But breastfeeding, is not. Strangely enough.

Bottle-feeding is perceived as the norm. People in the USA and many western cultures simply live in a bottle-feeding culture. It is very unusual to see a breastfeeding mother, and even more unusual to see a mother nursing a toddler or an older child - yet even World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for at least two years. Television, books, and media usually show a baby with a bottle, not a baby at its mother's breast. Little girls grow up perceiving formula-feeding as the norm.

Breastfeeding is natural but not instinctive. It needs to be learned. However, it is hard to learn about breastfeeding in a bottle-feeding culture. (Bottle-feeding culture at Childfun.com)
I mean many of you found it odd that a child would 'pretend' breastfeed a doll. Which I think its a good reason why now there's finally an ALTERNATIVE to JUST dolls with bottles.
 

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Well there is a difference between a poster with women showing a part of their breasts and having a woman take her breast out in front of you. But unfortunately when people are only shown breasts as something sexual, that's what they will think when a mom decides to breastfeed in front of them. I agree that this country needs to stop the breasts taboo, but I just don't believe it should be done by breastfeeding mothers.

About the bottle vs breastfeeding thing, well, I think breastfeeding is best but I'm tired of hearing pro-breastfeeding people saying that if you feed formula you're a horrible mom or something... some people have no choice, and formula is just fine.
 

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I don't think it's odd that a child will pretend it's breastfeeding. I also don't think it's odd that a child would want an actual bottle to pretend feed a baby. I do think it's odd to put an attachment on a child to assist her in breastfeeding. That is the one thing about all of this that is unnatural to me.

Someone said they don't like marketing dolls with bottles, but some babies are adopted to women who have not given birth and are not producing milk. If their children imitate their mothers, they will need a bottle to do so, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that either.
 

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Well there is a difference between a poster with women showing a part of their breasts and having a woman take her breast out in front of you. But unfortunately when people are only shown breasts as something sexual, that's what they will think when a mom decides to breastfeed in front of them. I agree that this country needs to stop the breasts taboo, but I just don't believe it should be done by breastfeeding mothers.

About the bottle vs breastfeeding thing, well, I think breastfeeding is best but I'm tired of hearing pro-breastfeeding people saying that if you feed formula you're a horrible mom or something... some people have no choice, and formula is just fine.
I don't have an issue with formula-feeding mothers. Its still meeting a child's nutritional needs. But I would like to see breastfeeding as more of a 'norm' thing. I mean on the MTV show ''16 & Pregnant'' NONE of the girls breastfeed. One didn't because she didn't want to mess up her 'perfect boobs', which is a common misconception about breastfeeding.

As for stopping a taboo, I think breastfeeding mothers might be the thing.

Anyone who wants to create wide-scale acceptance of public breastfeeding will therefore have to do more than change the law - which in many places already reflects the split between "***** breasts" (topless indecency, which is impermissible in public) and "Madonna breasts" (the exposure of which is protected). To avoid the dirty looks, breastfeeding women may have to expose the people around them to breastfeeding often enough for desensitization to set in.

The same was and continues to be true for people's exposure to gay and lesbian couples, interracial couples, and people with disabilities. The need to saturate public consciousness to eliminate a taboo is well captured in the chant, "We're here! We're queer! Get used to it!" As long as nursing outside the home is a novelty, the taboos will likely remain firmly in place.

Not that many years ago, otherwise tolerant people would say that gay couples could do what they wanted behind closed doors but that they didn't have to "flaunt" their relationships by holding hands or kissing in public. It turned out, however, that flaunting was exactly what was needed. It is hard to be shocked by something you see on a daily basis.
And then there's extended breastfeeding issues.

In North America, breastfeeding an older child is somewhat rare. Perhaps "rare" is not the right word. It certainly occurs, but you don't SEE it very often because women nurse their children in private.

Some North Americans perceive extended breastfeeding as being “not rightâ€. They have the misconception that there is a sexual relationship (or the potential of a sexual relationship) between mother and child. North Americans are just not used to seeing an older child latched onto his mother’s breast.

In fact, there is nothing wrong with extended breastfeeding. The World Health Organization recommends that mothers breastfeed their children exclusively for the first six months and then continues to breastfeed until age 2 or beyond.
But we just have sexual misconceptions all around, not just in mother's breastfeeding toddlers or girls breastfeeding their dolls. Everything is perverted either way in this society it seems, even kissing your child on the lips seems to cause an uproar.

From the News:
Children taken away because of a breastfeeding photo in Texas
Adapted from "Breastfeeding a crime?" by Linda Folden Palmer

Two children were taken away from their parents after a photo of a 12-month-old baby with his lips on his mother's nipple was developed at a local drug store and then reported to authorities by the shop's clerk. No experts were consulted, no evaluations were made, the children were simply whisked away and the parents charged with the second-degree felony of "sexual performance of a minor."

According to the Dallas Observer, after responding to the photo clerk's alert, Richardson police in Texas reportedly considered the pictures to contain sexuality. A Child Protective Services supervisor, without any information beyond the photos, ordered the children to be removed from their home.

The police searched the one-room home for other evidence of pornography or questionable parenting as the children were taken away from their perplexed and pleading mother Jacqueline Mercado on November 13, 2002. Nothing was found. Subsequent psychological examinations of the parents revealed no signs of sexual deviancy.

The family's attorney Steven Lafuente was very surprised to see the innocence of the pictures and to discover that there was no other evidence whatsoever. Still, a Grand Jury swiftly indicted the couple in January, basing their decision on the breastfeeding photo and no other incriminating evidence.

The charges against the couple were dropped in late March after a reporter from the Dallas Observer asked a District Attorney to look into the case. The children remained in State Custody however. When reporter Thomas Korosec broke the story in the Observer on April 17, the paper received some 50 letters and the courthouse and attorneys were similarly flooded with mail. Members of a national attachment parenting organization flooded the offices with their own treasured breastfeeding and bath time photos. Only days after the story hit the stands, the children were returned to their mother.

The attorney described the distraught Spanish-speaking parents as never entirely understanding what they had done wrong, why they were being threatened with prison, and why their family was torn apart. They explained to him how they had worked so hard and long to move their family to this "land of the free" and that they loved their children so very much. They expressed that they would never do anything to harm their children and did not intend to break the laws of their new country.

While the family tries to heal, the real crime is going entirely ignored. It is a sad statement of our new civilization when a photo store clerk, two police detectives, a CPS supervisor, and an entire grand jury have all forgotten how babies are fed, and are unable to appreciate the treasury of capturing the tender fleeting moments of childhood on film.
 

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So...not gonna lie, mostly just skimmed.
I think this whole debate has always been silly. Why do people have no problem whatsoever with shirts that show nearly all of a woman's boob but breasfeeding is indecent? I missed that memo. It is nearly freaking impossible to find a shirt that doesn't show them off! They aren't big either! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I have a friend who breastfeeds and her little girl would routinely lift up her own shirt and "feed baby doll" while mommy was feeding little sister. I thought it was incredibly cute. I don't see there being anything gross about a mom feeding her baby in a restaurant or otherwise. Every time I have seen it the mom has had a blanket or something wrapped around anyway so even if someone wanted to see something they couldn't.

Weird...I'm usually considered the prudish one but I think besides the "fake boobie" there's nothing really weird with the idea. Now...the Ken and Barbie idea someone mentioned, if you figure out how to make that work, I'd like to see it because that would be one freaking complex toy! :cool:
 

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However, while exposing breasts in public is a “no-no'', children and young people often see breasts (although practically never the nipples)
Seriously, what is up with that? What is so magical about the nipple?

Also, why is a shirtless man not considered sexually exposed? They sure do it for me . . . *smacks lips* :lol-sign:
 

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Wow Juicy, I am surprised I missed that horrific story. That poor family. *Shudders and remembers to buy her own photo paper to print on*
 

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