Bad Dog Trainer Beware !!
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If you read my first post you would see I said that it is rediculous to beat a child for stupid things such as not doing chores. I was making a comment because of a TV show, Maury, that I happened to be watching this morning. You should have seen the TERROR in these mothers eyes when they 15 year old child came out. THEY had beaten their mothers into submission. I was making a comment that I would NEVER allow my child to think they own me. I would not spank my child but IF (key word) I were in the situation as those poor mothers who were so frighten I would definately give them some kind of "marker" (ie beating the sh%t out of them) showing them that was not acceptable, a simple "go to your room" is not a sufficient punishment and "no computer for a week" PUH-LEASE are you kidding me? For hitting or attempting to hit their mother or father. One of the little brats actually stabbed her mother causing her mother a visit to the hospital. I did not ask you about your kids, and frankly I could care less, no offense. I was speaking in a "what if" tone. BTW this generation of children have to be the rudest, crudest, coldest, ill-hearted generation ever. So something in your method may be flawed 
. But everything has to be HAPPY *jumping for joy* .
. But everything has to be HAPPY *jumping for joy* .
If you don't discipline a child or teach them in any way it's a given that they will be horrific. People who have rude, ill-mannered crude, cold-hearted children are NOT using the same methods that I use to raise my children. The nastiest child I ever met was the daughter of a police officer who use strong-arm tactics to raise her. As soon as she was capable she was the biggest bully I've ever seen. She also had an abortion when she was 17 and did drugs.
Again, you are acting like the only way to teach a child is through force and that's just wrong. You're acting like the choices are either to beat a child or ignore their upbringing entirely. While you seem to have such a dark view of children I'll tell you what I see from my children and their friends.
My oldest daughter visits shut-ins at the nursing home who have no one else to visit them. My oldest son mows the lawn at our Church with a push mower once a week and doesn't get paid for it. My youngest daughter is trying to start a bully-free program at her elementary school. My youngest son and his friends are taking trash bags around town and picking up garbage when they see it. They do these things because I expect them to be a positive force in our community. They have been with me when I've done these things and learned that we act responsibly and respectfully because it's the example I've given them.
If your source of what children are up to is talk shows then you should turn off your TV and get out and meet a better class of people because the young people I know are considerate, caring, respectful and intelligent. Perhaps your negative idea of what children are comes from being around too many children who have been beaten and are just waiting for their opportunity to be the "dominant one"?
Whether I believe Maury or not is irrelevant. I believe what I SEE. And I have seen ALOT. In a situation (what if, remember not likely) and my child (I'm talking a teenager) raised their hand or hit me, I would give them a taste of their own medicine. Raising your hand to your mother is the MOST disrespectful thing you could possibly do. Maybe it is just my culture but I was taught very young that your mother is your mother and you'd be damned if you raise your hand to the person who gave you life. That, IMO is the WORST thing anyone can do, total disrespect, I cant even describe how I feel about this. I have seen teens fighting with their parents, one girl actually threw her mother down a flight of stairs (I know this first-hand) and had to be rushed down to ER. Parents lack control, and I commend you if you do have control, but it sickens me how much kids these days think they deserve everything, and can do whatever. When I do have kids they will be able to get away with alot, and will end up spoiling them but a child raising their hands to their mother is something I take VERY seriously and will not be taken lightly. just like my dogs, I let them get away with alot, and are spoiled but there are certain things I deem unacceptable and in that instance call for a correction. Yes, I will go and desensitize to the triggor and will work through the problem not just cover it up. But if (remember if) my dog were acting agressively I'm not jsut going to sit back and let him carry on. He will get corrected, then later its time to problem solve.
I do not beat my dogs. Never raised a hand to them. I love how people take things to suck extremes.
I do not beat my dogs. Never raised a hand to them. I love how people take things to suck extremes.
hmm well i can think of more disrespectful things..but yes I see what you are saying. My issues is why WAIT till it gets to that point. IMO you are a crappy mom if you don't notice your kid is getting that out of hand. A well mannered respectful child doesn't wake up one day and say.."I think I shall smack mom around today.." And if they did, I think I would be taking them to the hospital right away (things like tumors can cause rapid behavior changes)
OMG!!! When did I say that beating your child is the only way to raise a child or the fact that I will beat my children? . I gave one example, and as i said previously raising your hand to your mother is ULTIMATE betrayal, disrespectful thing a child can do. And yes, that is probably the only situation in which I would beat the sh*t out of my teen. Again I love how people take things to the extreme.
. I gave one example, and as i said previously raising your hand to your mother is ULTIMATE betrayal, disrespectful thing a child can do. And yes, that is probably the only situation in which I would beat the sh*t out of my teen. Again I love how people take things to the extreme. 
So if you correct a kid till they have bruises is that ok..where is the point between abuse and a correction..I gave you my (science based) definition. Whats yours? I say hitting your dog cause it won't sit is abuse. You can't train the dog to be reliable...maybe your trainer needs to hit the students, as they are obviously failing to train their dogs well enough. Hmm I might be ok with that, the trainer hits you with sticks if your dog disobeys...after all you are the smart one in the partnership (smarter that your dog)
(I just love when people say positive training doesn't work. Maybe they just suck at training)
(I just love when people say positive training doesn't work. Maybe they just suck at training)
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF (KEYWORD) Let's fast-forward all the parenting until that scene with the hitting. This is NOT a real scenario.
DO YOU GET IT NOW???
That is what how I was raised and what is disrespectful to me might not apply to you. I will not allow you to challenge my morals and beliefs.
I'm not a mom, yet, BTW .
DO YOU GET IT NOW???
That is what how I was raised and what is disrespectful to me might not apply to you. I will not allow you to challenge my morals and beliefs.
I'm not a mom, yet, BTW
.You're making excuses for beating children. As Deeka said: "hmm well i can think of more disrespectful things..but yes I see what you are saying. My issues is why WAIT till it gets to that point. IMO you are a crappy mom if you don't notice your kid is getting that out of hand. A well mannered respectful child doesn't wake up one day and say.."I think I shall smack mom around today.." And if they did, I think I would be taking them to the hospital right away (things like tumors can cause rapid behavior changes)"
If the child was raised respectfully these things won't happen unless there is something seriously wrong, in which case I believe it's 100% wrong to beat a child for a medical condition.
You said that this generation of children is the worst ever, evil at the core and whatever else you think is wrong and sarcastically blamed it on my methods of raising children, which more than implies that you believe that I do not discipline my children or that I believe in totally ignoring their need for guidance. You totally blamed the ill-mannered children for striking their mothers but did you ever stop to wonder what got them all to that point? Children do not strike their mothers because their mothers refused to spank them when they were younger. What part did mom or dad play in raising such an aggressive child? I guarantee it's something quite different from using the methods of correction that I have used.
If the child was raised respectfully these things won't happen unless there is something seriously wrong, in which case I believe it's 100% wrong to beat a child for a medical condition.
You said that this generation of children is the worst ever, evil at the core and whatever else you think is wrong and sarcastically blamed it on my methods of raising children, which more than implies that you believe that I do not discipline my children or that I believe in totally ignoring their need for guidance. You totally blamed the ill-mannered children for striking their mothers but did you ever stop to wonder what got them all to that point? Children do not strike their mothers because their mothers refused to spank them when they were younger. What part did mom or dad play in raising such an aggressive child? I guarantee it's something quite different from using the methods of correction that I have used.
Nope I don't get it. You said you saw this on Maury. Why would you lie, make up something and then say you saw it...don't get it at all.
I said I agree it would be really horrible. I also said a decent parent wouldn't let it get to that stage, so it shouldn't be an issue (in a healthy home) so NOPE I don't get it.
Also what does this have to do with the OT?
I said I agree it would be really horrible. I also said a decent parent wouldn't let it get to that stage, so it shouldn't be an issue (in a healthy home) so NOPE I don't get it.
Also what does this have to do with the OT?
OMG you are unbelievable, putting words in my mouth. I was never implying to spank your children. I was making a point, that kids are disrespectful these days and parents have no control (hitting your mother, the thought just makes me want to puke. you may not agree with my views on this but whatever your opinion). You can surely gain control without spanking your kids. Its instilling RESPECT in these kids, sort of like NILIF for dogs. Kids dont earn ANYTHING these days and that is where the lack of respect comes into play. Yes my kids will be spoiled but that doesnt mean they dont have to do things to get waht they want. Everything is handed to them, nothing earned.