Am I the only practicing Catholic on this forum??

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But it's true! A good portion of Protestants hate Catholics. There is *A LOT* of anti-Catholicism hate out there.

Protestants changed the Bible too! Just read Gary G. Michuta's book Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger: The Untold Story of the Lost Books of the Protestant Bible and you'll see just how Protestants have, over the years, changed the Bible to suit them and their beliefs.
Thats kind of the point I was trying to make, the bible has been changed so much by all churchs, all of them trying to make it better for themselves. It was a politcal decision as to what went into it in the first place, more to do with man than what God may have wanted.


You'd be surprised... . While not all Protestants hate us, many do and, as I already said, there's *A LOT* of anti-Catholicism hatred out there. Just read the Left Behind series, which is quite popular among many Evangelical Protestants. I'd never walk into an Evangelical or Pentocostal and say I was Catholic. Never in a million years considering how they hate us. Or, to put it more mildly... HIGHLY DISLIKE us.

In fact, the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses (both Quasi-Christians in my eyes) are given special training on how to win over Catholics and Catholics alone. It's like the more Catholics they and Protestants can win over, the better and I dislike that immensely, as Christianity isn't about how many souls you save or don't save.

Hate *is* a strong word and I don't like using it. But if someone doesn't think a significant portion of Protestants hate us then they really do need to think again. Anti-Catholicism hatred has been growing for some time now, especially in light of the recent sex abuse scandals.
Please be careful when bandying around statements like Protestants hate Catholics as I am sure you are aware that works both ways and many are working very hard to overcome this and bring peace to certain parts of the world.

IMO its thoughts and beliefs like this, that in the eyes of the church everyone else is wrong and we are the only ones in the right, that put me off the Catholic church. IMO if someone wants to believe it doesnt really matter how you believe it matters more that you do believe and work to better yourself.
 

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No where did I poke fun at anyones religion.

And no where did I say only Catholic preist molest kids. I just pointed out that they should perhaps read the word they preach. It is wrong no matter what, I just find it so hypocritical that priests (of any denomination) stand up and condem their congregation for having consentual sex with adults and then do that to kids.

It is sad how some people slander the faith of god for others.

I must let everyone know here that I respect peoples religion, I just get angry when it is used to justify predjudice and intollerance of other. When I point out the hyporicy I get told I am poking fun.

Faith is an awesome thing, I am happy for those who have it. I just ask them to refrain from finger pointing.
 

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I don't hate Catholics, and I've read the entire left behind series, both the kids' and adults' ones, and I didn't see any anti-Catholic stuff. Maybe it was in there, but it certainly wasn't blatant, I didn't pick any up.
 

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Okay Christians, I thought about it, more than twice even. Since your discussion has wondered into the realm of early Christian history you might enjoy this web site.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_ch.htm#menu

It's actually a pretty interesting read.
PLEASE BEWARE

ANYONE WHO HAS NOT CLICKED ON THIS LINK YET..... AND I AM VERY SORRY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE.

IT IS FILLED WITH SPYWARE. LUCKILY WE HAVE A CUSTOM FIREWALL AND A HUSBAND THAT WORKS WITH THIS KIND OF THING LOL SO WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP IT OUT BUT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT REALIZE IT.... PLEASE BEWARE THAT THIS SITE IS FULL OF SPYWARE.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE LINK (I CERTAINLY HOPE IT WASN'T AND WAS JUST AN INNOCENT MISTAKE) BUT THE LINK IS NOT SAFE TO CLICK.
 

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PLEASE BEWARE

ANYONE WHO HAS NOT CLICKED ON THIS LINK YET..... AND I AM VERY SORRY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE.

IT IS FILLED WITH SPYWARE. LUCKILY WE HAVE A CUSTOM FIREWALL AND A HUSBAND THAT WORKS WITH THIS KIND OF THING LOL SO WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP IT OUT BUT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT REALIZE IT.... PLEASE BEWARE THAT THIS SITE IS FULL OF SPYWARE.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE LINK (I CERTAINLY HOPE IT WASN'T AND WAS JUST AN INNOCENT MISTAKE) BUT THE LINK IS NOT SAFE TO CLICK.
It certainly was not my intention. Could you give some details on this spyware please?? Maybe a filename? My Spyware application did not alert on anything on that website. Norton Internet security blocked an ad from doubleclick from that site just as it blocks the ads from tribalfusion on this board.

You wouldn't post something like this because of the content on the website would you? Or perhaps because of the beliefs of the poster?

I certainly hope that was not your intent (and that you innocently mistook a redirected ad for spyware). As far as I am concerned that site is safe to click and contains information that anybody with an interest in the development of Christianity wouold like to read.
 

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I went to the link as well and nothing happened. It's fine, but then again, we have techy nerdy stuff going on. *shrugs*
 

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It certainly was not my intention. Could you give some details on this spyware please?? Maybe a filename? My Spyware application did not alert on anything on that website. Norton Internet security blocked an ad from doubleclick from that site just as it blocks the ads from tribalfusion on this board.
"Drivecleaner" made 4 attempts to install. It is possible I accidentally clicked an ad link on the site. I was rather groggy this morning. :)

You wouldn't post something like this because of the content on the website would you? Or perhaps because of the beliefs of the poster?
Please.... How totally absurd. Our faith is WAY stronger than that. We are free to believe and say what we think, just as anyone else. I am not going to get in the way of that. I'll disagree with you forever, but you can thnk whatever you like.

I thought we belivers were supposed to be the paranoid ones??? ;)
 

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It certainly was not my intention. Could you give some details on this spyware please?? Maybe a filename? My Spyware application did not alert on anything on that website. Norton Internet security blocked an ad from doubleclick from that site just as it blocks the ads from tribalfusion on this board.

You wouldn't post something like this because of the content on the website would you? Or perhaps because of the beliefs of the poster?

I certainly hope that was not your intent (and that you innocently mistook a redirected ad for spyware). As far as I am concerned that site is safe to click and contains information that anybody with an interest in the development of Christianity wouold like to read.
I didn't even read the content of the site so I wouldn't be able to comment on what I liked or didn't like about it. I just know that we got a bunch of warnings when we opened the site.
 

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In fact, the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses (both Quasi-Christians in my eyes) are given special training on how to win over Catholics and Catholics alone.
Heh - I'm Mormon. Very active and fully practicing, along with all of my family. In my almost 30 years (including 2 years that I spent as a full time missionary for the church), I never got that "special training." I must have missed that lesson in Sunday School, or something.

I laugh heartily, and frequently, about how woefully misinformed so many people are about so many religions.
 

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I don't have anything to contribute, really, as I know so very little about almost all religions.... but just wanted to say how informative this thread has been for me. Thank you, M&M, for starting it and responding so freely and kindly with information, and everyone who has asked great questions!

Steve, I don't really know anything about Mormons--maybe you could start your own thread? :) I'm sure if you felt like answering questions there would be plenty.
 

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How do I find You God?

God is Love.
If you have ever loved,
If you have ever been loved,
You have experienced God
from Within and Without

God is Truth.
If you have ever told the truth,
If you have ever discovered Truth,
You have experienced God
from Within and Without

God is Beauty.
If you have ever helped to create something beautiful,
If you have ever witnessed beauty in any of it's myriad forms,
You have experienced God
from Within and Without

God is Good.
If you have ever done or thought something good,
If you have ever recognized goodness in or through another,
You have experienced God
from Within and Without.

All of those experiences, those gifts,
of Love, Truth, Beauty and Goodness
were directly from God through you or to you.

Glad to meet you God :)

Wouldn't it be nice if we can meet God in one another? T.
 

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God bless all of us and our chosen religions .! Basically all have the Ten Commandments , The Apostle Creed , The Lord's Prayer and basically to live by the Golden Rule .
 
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LOL.

I remembered asking the same question, too. But, my parents were too good. They pointed me to the exact passage from the Bible every time! :)
My parents didn't do any bible quoting. It was crazy enough in the house I grew up in just being raised by an Irish Catholic mom and a Georgia Baptist dad. I never knew what my paternal grandmother was more upset about - the fact that her son married a Catholic or the fact that he married a Yankee.
 
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I also have a question. I'm not 100%, but I believe 15 years ago when I married outside my faith I was excommunicated from the Catholic Church?
 

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Claybuster, I have heard that that is an affirmative.
Could be way off base though.
 

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Excommunication is the most serious ecclesiastical penalty levied against a member of the Roman Catholic Church. It is a seldom used punishment to discipline unrelenting defiance or other serious violations of church rules, especially by those who are accused of "spreading division and confusion among the faithful" -- meaning, in practice, that the option of excommunication is more likely to be enforced when the disobedient Catholic is a visible and presumably influential public figure (such as a politician), but only rarely in the cases of non-public figures. Excommunication is never a merely "vindictive penalty" (designed solely to punish), but is always a "medicinal penalty" intended to pressure the person into changing their behavior or statements, repent and return to full communion.

Excommunicated persons are barred from participating in the liturgy in a ministerial capacity (for instance, as a reader if a lay person, or as a deacon or priest if a clergyman) and from receiving the eucharist or the other sacraments, but is normally not barred from attending these (for instance, an excommunicated person may not receive Communion, but would not be barred from attending Mass). Certain other rights and privileges are revoked, such as holding ecclesiastical office.

Excommunication can be incurred either ferendae sententiae (imposed or declared as the sentence of an ecclesiastical court) or latae sententiae (automatic, incurred at the moment the offensive act takes place).

In the Roman Catholic Church excommunication is usually terminated by a statement of repentance, profession of the Creed (if the offense involved heresy), or a renewal of obedience (if that was a relevant part of the offending act) by the person who has been excommunicated; the lifting of the excommunication itself, by a priest or bishop empowered to do this; and then the reception of the sacrament of penance. In many cases, this whole process takes place within the privacy of the confessional and during the same act of confession.

Offenses that incur excommunication must be absolved by a priest or bishop empowered to lift the penalty. This is usually the local ordinary (bishop or vicar general) or priests whom the local ordinary designates (in many dioceses, most priests are empowered to lift most excommunications otherwise reserved to the bishop, notably that involved with abortion).

The excommunicant is still considered Christian and a Catholic as the character imparted by baptism is held to be indelible. Excommunicated Catholics are still under obligation to attend Mass, even though they are barred from receiving the Eucharist or even taking active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.) Indeed, the excommunicant is encouraged to retain the relationship with the Church, as the goal is to encourage them to repent and return to active participation in its life.

Catholics cannot be excommunicated unless for some personal, grievously offensive act. Here, therefore, it is necessary to state with precision the conditions under which this penalty is incurred. These are a few offenses for which Roman Catholics are automatically excommunicated:

1) Apostasy (canon 1364), is a term generally employed to describe the formal renunciation of one's religion, especially if the motive is deemed unworthy

2) Heresy (canon 1364). Heresy is defined by Thomas Aquinas as "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas." The Catholic Church teaches that its doctrines are the authoritative understandings of the faith taught by Christ and that the Holy Spirit protects the Church from falling into error when teaching these doctrines. To deny one or more of those doctrines, therefore, is to deny the faith of Christ. Heresy is both the non-orthodox belief itself, and the act of holding to that belief.

3) Schism (canon 1364). An individual who withdraws from communion with the authorities of a Church, but who is neither expelled from it nor formally breaks with it, remains a member, though a disobedient one.

4) Desecration of the Eucharist (canon 1367),

5) Physical violence against the Pope (canon 1370)

6) Attempted sacramental absolution of a partner in a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue ("Thou shalt not commit adultery.") (canon 1378 §1),

7) Ordination of a bishop without papal mandate (canon 1382),

8) Direct violation of the sacramental seal of confession by a confessor (canon 1388),

9) Procurement of a completed abortion (canon 1398), or
Being a conspiring or necessary accomplice in any of the above
(canon 1329). Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication.

Unfortunately, some Catholics obstinately deny that abortion is always immoral, and some Catholics claim that abortion can, at times, be a morally-acceptable choice, and some Catholics claim that a person can, in good conscience, choose abortion. Under the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, canons 751 and 1364, all such Catholics are automatically excommunicated for the sin of heresy.

Any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly obtains a procured abortion commits a mortal sin and is also automatically excommunicated, under canon 1398.

Under the laws of secular society, if one person commits a crime, then anyone who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for that person to commit that crime is called an accessory to that crime and is also subject to the penalties of law. Similarly, any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for any woman to procure an abortion also commits a mortal sin and also incurs the same sentence of excommunication.

Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

Please go here for more information.

The above is what I've found so far about Ex-communication & the Catholic Church. It doens't say anything specifically about getting being ex-communicated due to getting married outside of the Catholic Faith. Maybe it falls under category#6, but that's only if one is not married, but live as if he/she does. Just to be sure I've sent an email to my parish priest asking about your specific question... I'll let you know if I hear from him.
 

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I got this answer from my priest. Short & to the point. Hope it helps!

1. A Catholic is excommunicated when he/she is teaching anything against the Catholic faith and refuses to listen to the ecclesial authority like the bishop. Excommunication can only happen when the church makes public announcement against certain individual. For example, few years ago, professor Charles Current refused to retract his theology at Catholic University. So in order to safeguard the faith, the Church has to excommunitcate him. However he is still a Catholic by the nature of his baptism.

2. Once excommunicated, the person is no longer in comunion with the Church which means he/she is not able to receive any Sacrament. He/she can only receive the Sacrament after he/she reconciles with the Church.

3. Getting married outside the Church does not excommunicate the Catholic. He/she is just not in the proper state of grace to receive Sacraments.
 

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I clicked on that site and I got no spyware warnings or download attempts. Just a few cookie attempts, which I blocked, as I always do.
 

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M&M, I always thought that if someone like me left the Catholic faith, we were considered heretics. In theory then, even though I left the Church, I should be excommunicated then, yes?
 

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