Am I the only practicing Catholic on this forum??
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American Baptist born and raised here and currently chair of my church's Deacon board. Contrary to what Kayzhond may think, I don't hate Catholics and don't know many that do. My wife was raised in the RC church but has been a practicing Baptist with me since before we got married. No divisions, one body.
We dedicate our infants/children in the church, a similar ceremony to the infant baptism. Kids raised in the church are typically baptised by immersion at the age of reason (about the same age that Catholic kids are confirmed). I see little difference in the doctorine, just the methodology of when the water is applied.
We dedicate our infants/children in the church, a similar ceremony to the infant baptism. Kids raised in the church are typically baptised by immersion at the age of reason (about the same age that Catholic kids are confirmed). I see little difference in the doctorine, just the methodology of when the water is applied.
I am also curious as to what exactly goes on with a rosary. AND is there a difference between a rosary and prayer beads?
We have a lot of people that come into the store that buy supplies to make rosaries and prayer beads. I always wondered what the prayers were on each bead and such. I don't know if a rosary is the same but apparently prayer beads.... you say a prayer on each bead. Is that correct?
They are always beautiful anyway when people make them so it has really sparked my curiousity about them.
We have a lot of people that come into the store that buy supplies to make rosaries and prayer beads. I always wondered what the prayers were on each bead and such. I don't know if a rosary is the same but apparently prayer beads.... you say a prayer on each bead. Is that correct?
They are always beautiful anyway when people make them so it has really sparked my curiousity about them.
Someone correct me if I'm misstating this, but it seems to me that the Rosary is mainly a symbol and a prayer aid. As a Catholic passes each bead through his/her hands, I think they are supposed to recite a prayer while paused on each bead (like a hail Mary on the small ones and The Lord's Prayer (our Father) on the large ones - or something like that). It's just a devotional aid to help a person set time aside for prayer, rather than the quick "hit and run" type prayers. I often use devotional readings similarly. I'll read some of the devotional and pray about what I just read or whatever is on my mind, then go back to the devotional and then pray some more. Plus it's a religious symbol of their faith. I wear a cross on a chain around my neck. It's for me, though, not for show (it's often tucked inside my shirt).
Without Catholics, Protestants wouldn't exist. Instead of hating Catholics, they should be thankful we exist. 
I think it's interesting that 2 men (Martin Luther and John Calvin) can just come along after hundreds of years (if not thousands), decide that one or more teachings of the Catholic church are wrong simply because they don't like them and feel they're wrong, and just yank books out of the Bible like they did to start a constent split of one Protestant denomination to another so that you now have several hundred of them that all can't agree on anything EXCEPT the fact they hate the Catholic Church and believe we're a cult or a bunch of heathens destined to hell because we're not saved and born again. What a coincidence!
I guess Martin Luther and John Calvin totally missed passage in the Bible that specifically says there's to be no divisions among the Church and that we should all be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
What a strange way to form one's beliefs: based on 2 men rather than consistent witness of the Church.
I think it's interesting that 2 men (Martin Luther and John Calvin) can just come along after hundreds of years (if not thousands), decide that one or more teachings of the Catholic church are wrong simply because they don't like them and feel they're wrong, and just yank books out of the Bible like they did to start a constent split of one Protestant denomination to another so that you now have several hundred of them that all can't agree on anything EXCEPT the fact they hate the Catholic Church and believe we're a cult or a bunch of heathens destined to hell because we're not saved and born again. What a coincidence!
I guess Martin Luther and John Calvin totally missed passage in the Bible that specifically says there's to be no divisions among the Church and that we should all be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
What a strange way to form one's beliefs: based on 2 men rather than consistent witness of the Church.
But who decided what went into the Bible in the first place, men, and its been changed by the Church many times.
The Rosary developed out of the laity's desire to have a form of prayer similar to that practiced by monks, who prayed the Book of Psalms. The mostly illiterate laity, began the practice of saying 150 Hail Marys in place of the psalms. Some used a string of 150 beads to keep count. With time, mysteries from the life of Christ were added to allow for contemplation and to keep Christ as the central focus of the prayer.
The Rosary took its present form between the 14th and 15th centuries, when a monk divided the 150 Hail Marys into the 15 decades, with each decade preceded by the Our Father. In 1569, Pope Pius V officially approved and recommended this prayer for all in the Church. From that time to the present, the Rosary remained unchanged.
In October 2002, Pope John Paul II added a new set of Mysteries to the Rosary—the Mysteries of Light. The Rosary now consists of four sets of mysteries, or 20 decades, or 200 Hail Marys. The Pope made this change so that the mysteries would span the entire lives of Christ and Mary, and therefore the Rosary would become a complete summary of the entire Gospel.
The Rosary as Prayer
As Gospel prayer
The rosary is rooted in Scripture, especially in the Gospel. The Apostles' Creed, which begins the Rosary, is a summary of the mysteries of Faith, which are standard Gospel teachings. Each decade is preceded by the Our Father, a prayer straight out of the Gospel and taught to us as a model of prayer by Jesus.
The first part of the Hail Mary is composed of verses from the Gospel of Luke (1:28 and 1:42): the angel's words announcing Christ's birth and Elizabeth's greeting to Mary. Both of these Gospel passages point to the central mystery of our faith, the incarnation of the Messiah.
Mary's key role in the mystery of Christ is not a rosary invention. Rather, it is a vital part of the Gospel that is simply reflected in this form of prayer. The sense that the rosary is a prayer of confidence in Mary's love and intercession for us is rooted in the Good News of the Gospel. The Gospel passages from which the Hail Mary were drawn, moreover, reveal Mary as a dynamic, grace-filled woman to whom God offered a pivotal and active role in the drama of salvation.
As Christ-centred prayer
At some point in history, the name of Jesus was added to the first part of the Hail Mary, indicating that all that precedes it can be fully understood only in the person of Christ. Jesus, the fruit of the Virgin's womb, is truly the center and summit of this prayer.
The mysteries of the rosary are clearly centered on events in Christ's life, the joyful mysteries on his incarnation, the luminous mysteries on his ministry and revelation of himself to the world, the sorrowful mysteries on his suffering and death, and the glorious mysteries on his resurrection. On one occasion, Pope Paul VI held up his rosary and proclaimed: "This is the Bible for those who can neither read nor write." The whole history of our salvation is contained in these mysteries which summarize the life of Christ.
The mysteries of Christ and Mary do not simply refer to past events. Christ truly lives among us now, continuing to be born, to suffer, die and rise again in the Church of our day. When we pray, "Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus," we need to remember that we, too, the body of Christ, are also the fruit of her womb, for we are born of the Christ who was born of Mary. Mary is not only the Mother of Christ, but also the Mother of the Church.
As ‘incarnational’ prayer
The God of Christians is not an abstraction but a personal God who "was born of the Virgin Mary" and who walked with us as a fellow human in this world.
"Abstractions do not require mothers!" as theologian Karl Rahner has been quoted as saying. On the other hand, we know that Jesus Christ, the central figure of the rosary, did "require" a mother. We are reminded of the realness, humanness and accessibility of our loving God each time we pray the rosary.
As an aide for contemplation
The rosary is meant to be a prayer that leads us to Christ and into union with God. If it only locks us into a meaningless circle of mechanically recited prayers, the rosary is not achieving its purpose.
The words of the rosary are meant to launch us into the mysteries of Christ's life or, better, into the living mystery of Christ himself. Just as each Hail Mary builds up to the word Jesus, so the whole rosary leads to union with him, and through Jesus we come into union with God. Each decade ends with a Glory Be, suggesting that the whole rosary is a movement toward praise and joyful union with God.
In praying the rosary, it's important not to get too tied down or worried about the words, at least, not to get anxious about them. It you feel inspired to savour the words and their meaning, fine. There is a scriptural richness and a spiritual energy to be tapped from the words themselves. But don't hesitate to soar beyond the words to the mysteries of Christ or into the loving presence of God.
It is not necessary to focus on the words; more important is to pray from the heart. Many people who say the rosary consider the words to be like background music leading them more deeply into the mysteries or into God's loving presence within. The gentle murmur of the words, for example can take us into that silent centre in us where the Spirit dwells.
The use of repetition for contemplation is an ancient practice. Repeating a sacred word or verses of Scripture, in rhythm with one's breathing, is a method of contemplative prayer described by early Christian writers and which survives today in various forms of centering prayer. Just as the repetition of words and breathing can lead to a contemplative state, so too can the soothing repetition of touch. The use of beads brings the sense of touch into the act, making the rosary a prayer of the body as well as of the mind. It's also a way of bringing creation itself (wood, metal, etc.) into the service of God, it is a very incarnational way of praying.
Excerpt from the webside http://www.marysprayersrosaries.com
The Rosary took its present form between the 14th and 15th centuries, when a monk divided the 150 Hail Marys into the 15 decades, with each decade preceded by the Our Father. In 1569, Pope Pius V officially approved and recommended this prayer for all in the Church. From that time to the present, the Rosary remained unchanged.
In October 2002, Pope John Paul II added a new set of Mysteries to the Rosary—the Mysteries of Light. The Rosary now consists of four sets of mysteries, or 20 decades, or 200 Hail Marys. The Pope made this change so that the mysteries would span the entire lives of Christ and Mary, and therefore the Rosary would become a complete summary of the entire Gospel.
The Rosary as Prayer
As Gospel prayer
The rosary is rooted in Scripture, especially in the Gospel. The Apostles' Creed, which begins the Rosary, is a summary of the mysteries of Faith, which are standard Gospel teachings. Each decade is preceded by the Our Father, a prayer straight out of the Gospel and taught to us as a model of prayer by Jesus.
The first part of the Hail Mary is composed of verses from the Gospel of Luke (1:28 and 1:42): the angel's words announcing Christ's birth and Elizabeth's greeting to Mary. Both of these Gospel passages point to the central mystery of our faith, the incarnation of the Messiah.
Mary's key role in the mystery of Christ is not a rosary invention. Rather, it is a vital part of the Gospel that is simply reflected in this form of prayer. The sense that the rosary is a prayer of confidence in Mary's love and intercession for us is rooted in the Good News of the Gospel. The Gospel passages from which the Hail Mary were drawn, moreover, reveal Mary as a dynamic, grace-filled woman to whom God offered a pivotal and active role in the drama of salvation.
As Christ-centred prayer
At some point in history, the name of Jesus was added to the first part of the Hail Mary, indicating that all that precedes it can be fully understood only in the person of Christ. Jesus, the fruit of the Virgin's womb, is truly the center and summit of this prayer.
The mysteries of the rosary are clearly centered on events in Christ's life, the joyful mysteries on his incarnation, the luminous mysteries on his ministry and revelation of himself to the world, the sorrowful mysteries on his suffering and death, and the glorious mysteries on his resurrection. On one occasion, Pope Paul VI held up his rosary and proclaimed: "This is the Bible for those who can neither read nor write." The whole history of our salvation is contained in these mysteries which summarize the life of Christ.
The mysteries of Christ and Mary do not simply refer to past events. Christ truly lives among us now, continuing to be born, to suffer, die and rise again in the Church of our day. When we pray, "Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus," we need to remember that we, too, the body of Christ, are also the fruit of her womb, for we are born of the Christ who was born of Mary. Mary is not only the Mother of Christ, but also the Mother of the Church.
As ‘incarnational’ prayer
The God of Christians is not an abstraction but a personal God who "was born of the Virgin Mary" and who walked with us as a fellow human in this world.
"Abstractions do not require mothers!" as theologian Karl Rahner has been quoted as saying. On the other hand, we know that Jesus Christ, the central figure of the rosary, did "require" a mother. We are reminded of the realness, humanness and accessibility of our loving God each time we pray the rosary.
As an aide for contemplation
The rosary is meant to be a prayer that leads us to Christ and into union with God. If it only locks us into a meaningless circle of mechanically recited prayers, the rosary is not achieving its purpose.
The words of the rosary are meant to launch us into the mysteries of Christ's life or, better, into the living mystery of Christ himself. Just as each Hail Mary builds up to the word Jesus, so the whole rosary leads to union with him, and through Jesus we come into union with God. Each decade ends with a Glory Be, suggesting that the whole rosary is a movement toward praise and joyful union with God.
In praying the rosary, it's important not to get too tied down or worried about the words, at least, not to get anxious about them. It you feel inspired to savour the words and their meaning, fine. There is a scriptural richness and a spiritual energy to be tapped from the words themselves. But don't hesitate to soar beyond the words to the mysteries of Christ or into the loving presence of God.
It is not necessary to focus on the words; more important is to pray from the heart. Many people who say the rosary consider the words to be like background music leading them more deeply into the mysteries or into God's loving presence within. The gentle murmur of the words, for example can take us into that silent centre in us where the Spirit dwells.
The use of repetition for contemplation is an ancient practice. Repeating a sacred word or verses of Scripture, in rhythm with one's breathing, is a method of contemplative prayer described by early Christian writers and which survives today in various forms of centering prayer. Just as the repetition of words and breathing can lead to a contemplative state, so too can the soothing repetition of touch. The use of beads brings the sense of touch into the act, making the rosary a prayer of the body as well as of the mind. It's also a way of bringing creation itself (wood, metal, etc.) into the service of God, it is a very incarnational way of praying.
Excerpt from the webside http://www.marysprayersrosaries.com
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There are four sets of Mysteries on which to meditate, The Joyful, the Luminous, the Sorrowful, and the Glorious, which comprise the entire Rosary prayer
The Joyful Mysteries
(Said on Mondays, Saturdays, Sundays of Advent, and Sundays from Epiphany until Lent)
First Joyful Mystery - The Annunciation of Gabriel to Mary
I Desire the Love Of Humility
Think of...
The humility of the Blessed Virgin when the Angel Gabriel greeted her with these words: "Hail full of grace".
Luke 1:26
Second Joyful Mystery - The Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth
I Desire Charity Toward My Neighbor
Think of...
Mary's charity in visiting her cousin Elizabeth and remaining with her for three months before the birth of John the Baptist.
Luke 1:39
Third Joyful Mystery - The Birth of Jesus
I Desire the Love of God
Think of...
The poverty, so lovingly accepted by Mary when she placed the Infant Jesus, our God and Redeemer, in a manger in the stable of Bethlehem.
Luke 2:1
Fourth Joyful Mystery - The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple
I Desire a Spirit of Sacrifice
Think of...
Mary's obedience to the law of God in presenting the Child Jesus in the Temple.
Luke 2:22
Fifth Joyful Mystery - Finding Jesus in the Temple
I desire Zeal For The Glory Of God
Think of...
The deep sorrow with which Mary sought the Child Jesus for three days, and the joy with which she found Him in the midst of the Teachers of the Temple.
Luke 2:41
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The Sorrowful Mysteries
(Said on Tuesdays, Fridays, and daily from Ash Wednesday until Easter Sunday)
First Sorrowful Mystery - Agony of Jesus in the Garden
I Desire True Repentance for My Sins
Think of...
Our Lord Jesus in the garden of Gethsemani, suffering a bitter agony for our sins.
Matthew 26:36
Second Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus is Scourged at the Pillar
I Desire a Spirit of Mortification
Think of...
The cruel scourging at the pillar that our Lord suffered; the heavy blows that tore His flesh.
Matthew 27:26
Third Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus is Crowned With Thorns
I Desire Moral Courage.
Think of...
The crown of sharp thorns that was forced upon our Lord's Head and the patience with which He endured the pain for our sins.
Matthew 27:27
Fourth Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus Carries His Cross
I Desire the Virtue of Patience
Think of...
The heavy Cross, so willingly carried by our Lord, and ask Him to help you to carry your crosses without complaint.
Matthew 27:32
Fifth Sorrowful Mystery - The Crucifixion of Jesus
I Desire the Grace of Final Perseverance
Think of...
The love which filled Christ's Sacred Heart during His three hours' agony on the Cross, and ask Him to be with you at the hour of death.
Matthew 27:33
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The Glorious Mysteries
(Said on Wednesdays, and Sundays throughout the year)
First Glorious Mystery - The Resurrection of Jesus
I Desire a Strong Faith
Think of...
Christ's glorious triumph when, on the third day after His death, He arose from the tomb and for forty days appeared to His Blessed Mother and to His disciples.
John 20:1
Second Glorious Mystery - The Ascension of Jesus
I Desire the Virtue of Hope
Think of...
The Ascension of Jesus Christ, forty days after His glorious Resurrection, in the presence of Mary and His disciples.
Luke 24:36
Third Glorious Mystery - The Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost
I Desire Zeal for the Glory of God
Think of...
The descent of the Holy Spirit upon Mary and the Apostles, under the form of tongues of fire, in fulfillment of Christ's promise.
Acts 2:1
Fourth Glorious Mystery - The Assumption of Mary into Heaven
I Desire the Grace of a Holy Death
Think of...
The glorious Assumption of Mary into Heaven, when she was united with her Divine Son.
Fifth Glorious Mystery - The Coronation of Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth
I Desire a Greater Love for the Blessed Virgin Mary
Think of...
The glorious crowning of Mary as Queen of Heaven by her Divine Son, to the great joy of all the Saints.
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The Luminous Mysteries
(Said on Thursdays throughout the year)
First Luminous Mystery - The Baptism of Jesus in the River Jordan
And a voice came from the heavens, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
Matthew 3:17
The Second Luminous Mystery - The Wedding at Cana
Christ Manifested Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him.
John 2:11
The Third Luminous Mystery - the Proclamation of the Kingdom of God
Jesus came to Galilee proclaiming the gospel of God: "This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
Mark 1:15
The Fourth Luminous Mystery - The Transfiguration of Jesus And he was transfigured before them; his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light.
Matthew 17:2
The Fifth Luminous Mystery - The Last Supper, the Holy Eucharist
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:26
The Joyful Mysteries
(Said on Mondays, Saturdays, Sundays of Advent, and Sundays from Epiphany until Lent)
First Joyful Mystery - The Annunciation of Gabriel to Mary
I Desire the Love Of Humility
Think of...
The humility of the Blessed Virgin when the Angel Gabriel greeted her with these words: "Hail full of grace".
Luke 1:26
Second Joyful Mystery - The Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth
I Desire Charity Toward My Neighbor
Think of...
Mary's charity in visiting her cousin Elizabeth and remaining with her for three months before the birth of John the Baptist.
Luke 1:39
Third Joyful Mystery - The Birth of Jesus
I Desire the Love of God
Think of...
The poverty, so lovingly accepted by Mary when she placed the Infant Jesus, our God and Redeemer, in a manger in the stable of Bethlehem.
Luke 2:1
Fourth Joyful Mystery - The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple
I Desire a Spirit of Sacrifice
Think of...
Mary's obedience to the law of God in presenting the Child Jesus in the Temple.
Luke 2:22
Fifth Joyful Mystery - Finding Jesus in the Temple
I desire Zeal For The Glory Of God
Think of...
The deep sorrow with which Mary sought the Child Jesus for three days, and the joy with which she found Him in the midst of the Teachers of the Temple.
Luke 2:41
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The Sorrowful Mysteries
(Said on Tuesdays, Fridays, and daily from Ash Wednesday until Easter Sunday)
First Sorrowful Mystery - Agony of Jesus in the Garden
I Desire True Repentance for My Sins
Think of...
Our Lord Jesus in the garden of Gethsemani, suffering a bitter agony for our sins.
Matthew 26:36
Second Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus is Scourged at the Pillar
I Desire a Spirit of Mortification
Think of...
The cruel scourging at the pillar that our Lord suffered; the heavy blows that tore His flesh.
Matthew 27:26
Third Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus is Crowned With Thorns
I Desire Moral Courage.
Think of...
The crown of sharp thorns that was forced upon our Lord's Head and the patience with which He endured the pain for our sins.
Matthew 27:27
Fourth Sorrowful Mystery - Jesus Carries His Cross
I Desire the Virtue of Patience
Think of...
The heavy Cross, so willingly carried by our Lord, and ask Him to help you to carry your crosses without complaint.
Matthew 27:32
Fifth Sorrowful Mystery - The Crucifixion of Jesus
I Desire the Grace of Final Perseverance
Think of...
The love which filled Christ's Sacred Heart during His three hours' agony on the Cross, and ask Him to be with you at the hour of death.
Matthew 27:33
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The Glorious Mysteries
(Said on Wednesdays, and Sundays throughout the year)
First Glorious Mystery - The Resurrection of Jesus
I Desire a Strong Faith
Think of...
Christ's glorious triumph when, on the third day after His death, He arose from the tomb and for forty days appeared to His Blessed Mother and to His disciples.
John 20:1
Second Glorious Mystery - The Ascension of Jesus
I Desire the Virtue of Hope
Think of...
The Ascension of Jesus Christ, forty days after His glorious Resurrection, in the presence of Mary and His disciples.
Luke 24:36
Third Glorious Mystery - The Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost
I Desire Zeal for the Glory of God
Think of...
The descent of the Holy Spirit upon Mary and the Apostles, under the form of tongues of fire, in fulfillment of Christ's promise.
Acts 2:1
Fourth Glorious Mystery - The Assumption of Mary into Heaven
I Desire the Grace of a Holy Death
Think of...
The glorious Assumption of Mary into Heaven, when she was united with her Divine Son.
Fifth Glorious Mystery - The Coronation of Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth
I Desire a Greater Love for the Blessed Virgin Mary
Think of...
The glorious crowning of Mary as Queen of Heaven by her Divine Son, to the great joy of all the Saints.
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The Luminous Mysteries
(Said on Thursdays throughout the year)
First Luminous Mystery - The Baptism of Jesus in the River Jordan
And a voice came from the heavens, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
Matthew 3:17
The Second Luminous Mystery - The Wedding at Cana
Christ Manifested Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him.
John 2:11
The Third Luminous Mystery - the Proclamation of the Kingdom of God
Jesus came to Galilee proclaiming the gospel of God: "This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
Mark 1:15
The Fourth Luminous Mystery - The Transfiguration of Jesus And he was transfigured before them; his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light.
Matthew 17:2
The Fifth Luminous Mystery - The Last Supper, the Holy Eucharist
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:26
So, as you see above, when we pray the rosary, we meditate on the entire life of Jesus!. No wonder Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, "The rosary is the book of the blind, where souls see and there enact the greatest drama of love the world has ever known; it is the book of the simple, which initiates them into mysteries and knowledge more satisfying than the education of other men; it is the book of the aged, whose eyes close upon the shadow of this world, and open on the substance of the next. The power of the rosary is beyond description."
Here are how we pray the Rosary
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1) Make the Sign of the Cross and say the "Apostles' Creed."
2) Say the "Our Father."
3) Say three "Hail Marys."
4) Say the "Glory be to the Father."
5) Announce the First Mystery; then say the "Our Father."
6) Say ten "Hail Marys," while meditating on the Mystery.
7) Say the "Glory be to the Father."
8) Announce the Second Mystery; then say the "Our Father." Repeat 6 and 7 and continue with Third, Fourth and Fifth Mysteries in the same manner.
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1) Make the Sign of the Cross and say the "Apostles' Creed."
2) Say the "Our Father."
3) Say three "Hail Marys."
4) Say the "Glory be to the Father."
5) Announce the First Mystery; then say the "Our Father."
6) Say ten "Hail Marys," while meditating on the Mystery.
7) Say the "Glory be to the Father."
8) Announce the Second Mystery; then say the "Our Father." Repeat 6 and 7 and continue with Third, Fourth and Fifth Mysteries in the same manner.
Without Catholics, Protestants wouldn't exist. Instead of hating Catholics, they should be thankful we exist.
I think it's interesting that 2 men (Martin Luther and John Calvin) can just come along after hundreds of years (if not thousands), decide that one or more teachings of the Catholic church are wrong simply because they don't like them and feel they're wrong, and just yank books out of the Bible like they did to start a constent split of one Protestant denomination to another so that you now have several hundred of them that all can't agree on anything EXCEPT the fact they hate the Catholic Church and believe we're a cult or a bunch of heathens destined to hell because we're not saved and born again. What a coincidence!
I guess Martin Luther and John Calvin totally missed passage in the Bible that specifically says there's to be no divisions among the Church and that we should all be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
What a strange way to form one's beliefs: based on 2 men rather than consistent witness of the Church.
I think it's interesting that 2 men (Martin Luther and John Calvin) can just come along after hundreds of years (if not thousands), decide that one or more teachings of the Catholic church are wrong simply because they don't like them and feel they're wrong, and just yank books out of the Bible like they did to start a constent split of one Protestant denomination to another so that you now have several hundred of them that all can't agree on anything EXCEPT the fact they hate the Catholic Church and believe we're a cult or a bunch of heathens destined to hell because we're not saved and born again. What a coincidence!
I guess Martin Luther and John Calvin totally missed passage in the Bible that specifically says there's to be no divisions among the Church and that we should all be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
What a strange way to form one's beliefs: based on 2 men rather than consistent witness of the Church.
The church as a whole is divided into three divisions of Christianity. There is the Catholic church, the Orthodox Church, and the Protestant church. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox split over the argument of the pope. The Orthodox and Catholic church believe practically the same thing, except these founders didn't want to follow the pope. The Protestant Revolution split the Catholic church again and gave birth to every other denomination that is known today. All of them differ in the styles of worship and some of the doctrines are different, but they agree on the things that are essential to Christianity -- believing in God & the saving blood of Jesus Christ. Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Catholics, Orthodox, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and so on, are all Christians.
I think when Jesus established the Catholic Church, he didn't want it to be splited. I know that the Pope & the leaders of other Churches are working toward the union of all Christian Churches as one. The process may be difficult, and takes years to accomplish, but if God's willing, I'm sure one day we'll all be united as one again!. In the mean times, I think we should focus more on what's similar amongs us rather than what is different. After all, we're all brothers & sisters in Chirst. Are we not?
Okay Christians, I thought about it, more than twice even. Since your discussion has wondered into the realm of early Christian history you might enjoy this web site.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_ch.htm#menu
It's actually a pretty interesting read.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_ch.htm#menu
It's actually a pretty interesting read.
Fed up or not. The Bible was explicit in that there's to be no divisions in the Church and that everyone is supposed to be of like mind.
You also have to put yourself in that particular time. That's the way it was back then. Was it right? No. But times are times. I have some background in history and am only trying to look at it from a hsitorical perspective.
Martin Luther never had any reforms. Otherwise, he would've never left and there'd be no such thing as Lutheranism or any other Protestant denominations today (most likely).
Now, on the point of an alternate version of Christianity. Is that what god wants from his people? To mold Christianity to something they like when the norm doesn't agree with them? IMHO, that's blasphemy!
You also have to put yourself in that particular time. That's the way it was back then. Was it right? No. But times are times. I have some background in history and am only trying to look at it from a hsitorical perspective.
Martin Luther never had any reforms. Otherwise, he would've never left and there'd be no such thing as Lutheranism or any other Protestant denominations today (most likely).
Now, on the point of an alternate version of Christianity. Is that what god wants from his people? To mold Christianity to something they like when the norm doesn't agree with them? IMHO, that's blasphemy!
But it's true! A good portion of Protestants hate Catholics. There is *A LOT* of anti-Catholicism hate out there.
My mom wants to read the left-behind series, but Marcus Grodi, host of THE JOURNEY HOME on EWTN (a Protestant convert to the Catholic faith), said that it was very much against Catholics. That it ahd some really bad stuff in there about us. Therefore, my mom ahs no desire to buy and read the books now because she doesn't want to feed money into the anti-Catholicism hatred thing.
Protestants changed the Bible too! Just read Gary G. Michuta's book Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger: The Untold Story of the Lost Books of the Protestant Bible and you'll see just how Protestants have, over the years, changed the Bible to suit them and their beliefs.
My mom wants to read the left-behind series, but Marcus Grodi, host of THE JOURNEY HOME on EWTN (a Protestant convert to the Catholic faith), said that it was very much against Catholics. That it ahd some really bad stuff in there about us. Therefore, my mom ahs no desire to buy and read the books now because she doesn't want to feed money into the anti-Catholicism hatred thing.
Protestants changed the Bible too! Just read Gary G. Michuta's book Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger: The Untold Story of the Lost Books of the Protestant Bible and you'll see just how Protestants have, over the years, changed the Bible to suit them and their beliefs.
Please DON'T go there! Protestant pastors have been known to molest kids too. We just don't hear about it much because many Protestant denominations don't have the same kind of hierarchy the Catholic Church has and thus isn't held to the same kind of level of accountability as we are.
A few years after I graduated high school, we had a big scandal break here where a Baptist pastor turned school bus driver and a Baptist high school teacher had molested a young woman entrusted to their care. It was HUGE and made headline news here. It was so bad that the current principal, his wife, the pastor and hs wife knew it was coming. So what did they do several months before it broke, they all bagged ass out of the area (to the south) and left a slew of new people to pick up the pieces and deal with it.
Several years after that it broke about another Protestant pastor and how he too had engaged in molestaion of our young people.
Like I said, Protestant pastors do it and do it just as much. We just don't hear about it because, as I said, they have no hierarchy and no level of accountability near what the Catholic Church has.
I also want to point out that I've seen every single installment of the Dateline TO CATCH A PREDATOR series and not once has a Catholic priest ever shown up to meet what they thought was a minor. However, a Jewsih Rabbi did along with a student at a Protestant run institute of higher learning.
A few years after I graduated high school, we had a big scandal break here where a Baptist pastor turned school bus driver and a Baptist high school teacher had molested a young woman entrusted to their care. It was HUGE and made headline news here. It was so bad that the current principal, his wife, the pastor and hs wife knew it was coming. So what did they do several months before it broke, they all bagged ass out of the area (to the south) and left a slew of new people to pick up the pieces and deal with it.
Several years after that it broke about another Protestant pastor and how he too had engaged in molestaion of our young people.
Like I said, Protestant pastors do it and do it just as much. We just don't hear about it because, as I said, they have no hierarchy and no level of accountability near what the Catholic Church has.
I also want to point out that I've seen every single installment of the Dateline TO CATCH A PREDATOR series and not once has a Catholic priest ever shown up to meet what they thought was a minor. However, a Jewsih Rabbi did along with a student at a Protestant run institute of higher learning.
You'd be surprised... . While not all Protestants hate us, many do and, as I already said, there's *A LOT* of anti-Catholicism hatred out there. Just read the Left Behind series, which is quite popular among many Evangelical Protestants. I'd never walk into an Evangelical or Pentocostal and say I was Catholic. Never in a million years considering how they hate us. Or, to put it more mildly... HIGHLY DISLIKE us.
In fact, the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses (both Quasi-Christians in my eyes) are given special training on how to win over Catholics and Catholics alone. It's like the more Catholics they and Protestants can win over, the better and I dislike that immensely, as Christianity isn't about how many souls you save or don't save.
Hate *is* a strong word and I don't like using it. But if someone doesn't think a significant portion of Protestants hate us then they really do need to think again. Anti-Catholicism hatred has been growing for some time now, especially in light of the recent sex abuse scandals.
In fact, the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses (both Quasi-Christians in my eyes) are given special training on how to win over Catholics and Catholics alone. It's like the more Catholics they and Protestants can win over, the better and I dislike that immensely, as Christianity isn't about how many souls you save or don't save.
Hate *is* a strong word and I don't like using it. But if someone doesn't think a significant portion of Protestants hate us then they really do need to think again. Anti-Catholicism hatred has been growing for some time now, especially in light of the recent sex abuse scandals.