To be completely honest, most of the e-collar websites I've visited that were pro-collar, we're pretty clearly biased and apparently pushing the collar a bit too much.
The people I spoke with when I was thinking about using the collar, were the same way. Use it for EVERYTHING. Every little correction you would normally give with the leash, voice etc, is now to be done with the collar. Their explanation for this, was so the dog would learn that the collar was in fact a correction.
With my dogs, I never take ANYONE's word as the bible. EVER. Positive trainer or evil harsh aversive trainer.
I take what I think is appropriate for MY dogs in each circumstance, and see if it works. If it does, fantastic! Apparently that makes no matter here on this board.
I can see what you mean Tessa, and you havent' even used an e-collar! LOL
I've used one, but I take no mind to the comments about being lazy, abusing my dog, putting her in fear etc, because the facts are this:
-my dogs don't bite people
-my dogs don't bite other dogs
-my dogs don't have issues like many of the questions on this board (Oh my dog's peeing in the house or oh my dog won't walk well on a leash or how do I train my dog to walk off leash... my dogs do all of the above, or don't when it coems to the first two! LOL)
Sometimes I wonder where this board is headed when moderators openly admit to bashing other members.
When I first came here moderators were always very polite, although clear in their posts. I don't think when I first came here I ever read a post from a mod (even if it was on the other side of the fence than me) that made me feel like it wasn't appropriate or un-polite.