I think we all need to stop and think...

I find it disappointing the way Chaz members seem eager to go on a witch hunt these days. It's one thing to educate people and try to make the world a better place but HOW you do it should be just as important as the end result. It can be the difference between getting people to stop, listen and learn or running them off with their tail between their legs.

Almost every day that I log and there is someone making a snotty comment to another. Often for past mistakes. For things that should have been put in the past and left there.

Now people log on with pitchforks in hand and check to see what the latest drama is and who they can attack next.

It's disappointing. I'm not going to say that Chaz used to be better because it is what it has always been - a mass of people sharing a common interest. But the people who are here lately seem to be bitter. A lot of comments have been made about how hard people's lives are. I'm sorry there are so many people with problems but that doesn't mean that we should lash out at others.

There is no one on this forum who hasn't made a mistake. No one who hasn't blindly judged or misspoken. There is no one who hasn't tried to cover up a mistake because they were too embarrassed to fess up. No one who hasn't had a moment of cruelty.

How would you feel if people kept harping on your past actions. I doubt there is anyone on this forum who has a completely clean slate.

It's part of being human. So if you see someone heading out with their torches maybe stop and think about whether or not you really want to join in. If you 'catch' someone in a lie or making a mistake or heaven forbid not meeting your criteria of a good dog owner ... stop and think about how you want to deal with it.

Think about your actions, your goal and how you want to present yourself. Chaz is made up of new dog owners, old ones, people with different methods. It always has been and it always will. Do you want to spend your time being angry at people who don't think like you? Do you want people to understand your point of view?

I'm always so impressed at some of the members who do stick it out here despite how they have been treated in their past.

There is a lot of great members here and a lot of superb knowledge. I think that's how we should strive to present ourselves say ... 95% of the time.

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AWESOME post.

By far, the best post I have ever read here at chazhound. You rock.

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Well said!

If there was an applause smiley I would put that here. Very well said, Saje.

Thank you. I know not everyone will agree but hopefully people will think.

eta thanks for the proofreading nikki

Um, yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and agree to disagree with you there, and ask you to come in on Saturday.

Saturday?

Yep.

I get the movie reference but not the point. Loved the movie though.

Well said. It's a 'pause' to reassess the why of your next move. You planted a "seed". Very appropriate.

I am so glad you said that.

Absolutely couldn't agree MORE. It's seemed to have become the latest past time.

I'm suprised certain members weren't demanding background police checks for new members.

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While a I agree with that post in its entirety there are issues outside of what you say.

Yep I have made mistakes. I didn't know any better. Now that I do I don't make those mistakes anymore (lol I make new ones). One of the things I do like about chaz over many other forums is that we WILL call out people who are liars or doing 'bad for dogs' type things.

I hate the other forums where you can come on and say you feed ol' roy and are breeding the chi you found on the street to your aunt's malitpoo cause the puppies will be sooo koot, and every ones says awwwwwww can't wait to see pics! You get in trouble if you start asking about health testing and vet care.

Yes this is an internet forum and that we should take what everyone says with a grain of salt, BUT, on this forum more than any other I feel I know people. I have made friends. I know at least 14 chazzers in real life. It really bothers me when people I feel am getting to know turn out to be false. I feel betrayed. It doesn't make me want to go on a which hunt, but it does make me want to be a bit more cautious next time.

Some of the lies on this forum have bothered me because it makes me feel like the poster of those lies thinks I am too stupid to notice them. In a way I am flattered they care enough about our opinion they will try to make up stuff so we like them better. But the thing is we like people the way they are. (or not as the case may be)

I have noticed the other side of the coin. I can debate hotly with someone and still like them just fine. IMO if you are going to post things publicly and you know they will be controversial then be prepared to talk about it. Its like a lot of threads we have had on DR/DA dogs. I strongly disagree with some members, as its a very important topic to me. There have been some heated threads, but some great points have been brought out and I still like everyone.

I guess what I am saying is that yes people should be given chances to show that they have learned from their mistakes, but how many chances should they be given? At what point can you point to someone and say 'you are acting like a twit and we don't like what you are doing'?

Or do you want this to be one of those forums where its ok to byb and train with staves or kohler (the hanging parts) and you can't ever say you disagree?

Hey, no talking bad about the stave!

Well said post Saje.

I am disappointed in Chaz these days, but not because some people who have earned it have been called out and raked across the coals.

I agree with the OP. And see things right here I want to say but I don't feel like getting bashed today. Things that bother me I ignore and move on because its not about me. There are a very very small hand of people I can trust not just on the internet. I wouldn't say I know anyone here well except for maybe one person. I just ignore what I may feel and move on and realize some comments people make to me or to others are just heartless. Time and time again my husband says thats how the internet is, people say things they wouldn't say in real life to your face. So I guess the internet not only brings out lies but also brings out peoples true colors.

Noone is making you stay

To be honest, red, this place works just fine and educates people just fine without people (you) raking up their past like some kind of rabid beaver.

Do you have nothing else to do with your days?

How about enrolling in some people skills classes.

Thank you Dekka

Dizzy, I think that's a little uncalled for. Having an opinion about a subject that hits close to home is great. Attacking someone personally for having that opinion is wrong.