Right there, not to mention it was implied throughout your entire post. If this dog was given consistent and proper leadership and it still acted like this, then yes put it down. But this family lives in FEAR and teh dog knows it. Also no one said to send it off to another family, everyone suggested an EXPERIENCED handler.
I think I'm going to find a new home for Boris... or put him down
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But Boris hasn't been shown "security" his entire life. He lives with people who are afraid of him, a man who is inconsistant in training due to anger issues, where he isn't able to have toys! Of course he's going to guard anything he deems "fun"....he doesn't get the chance to play with toys and he knows he'll get away with it if he growls and acts inappropriately.
And showdawgz, in a few months I'll be living alone. Boris already lives with another dog and I don't know for sure but I don't think him and Tips have ever fought. I won't be putting my family or any other person in danger and quite honestly, I'd rather my arm be bitten and need a few stitches while knowing Boris has had a chance to change in a different enviroment than see him being put down without knowing what would have happened.
And showdawgz, in a few months I'll be living alone. Boris already lives with another dog and I don't know for sure but I don't think him and Tips have ever fought. I won't be putting my family or any other person in danger and quite honestly, I'd rather my arm be bitten and need a few stitches while knowing Boris has had a chance to change in a different enviroment than see him being put down without knowing what would have happened.
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whether you actually get to do this or not... someone needs to tell you what an absolutely wonderful person you are.
ETA: I dont want to continue in this debate which is why I have stayed away from this thread now for awhile but I see Fran is in PA so if this does happen and transport is an issue I am willing to help in any way I can so feel free to PM me.
ETA: I dont want to continue in this debate which is why I have stayed away from this thread now for awhile but I see Fran is in PA so if this does happen and transport is an issue I am willing to help in any way I can so feel free to PM me.
grammy, do you have any idea how offensive this statement is? goldens are not little hairy angels. they are dogs. as such, they can have the same behavior issues as any other breeds, whether you consider them to be "aggressive" breeds, or not.
resource guarding from people is no more acceptable in a pit bull or whatever breed you had in mind than it is in a golden retriever.
resource guarding from people is no more acceptable in a pit bull or whatever breed you had in mind than it is in a golden retriever.
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off topic but to your point (sort of) ... my first poodle was attacked by a Golden... I mean seriously attacked, needed multiple surgeries... and everytime someone asked what attacked her and we said a Golden they didnt believe us... its like they wanted us to say Pit Bull or Rottweiler or something... any dog can have aggression... heck, I had a poodle with aggression problems... the thing is a poodle obviously isnt going to do as much damage as a dog with better "equipment" (jaw, teeth, etc) so they dont make the news.
showdawgz, get off your high horse.
I don't live with this person so I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea as to why Boris acts the way he does. But you don't live with them either.
My post was to present the FACT that not all resource guarding issues and food aggression issues are simple behavioral issues that can be fixed with "love and guidance" and within 2 weeks. Sure many of them can, but not all of them.
If you are so mighty and knowledgable, then why don't you take the dog and show everyone how it's done. However, I must say that it's much easier being an armchair quarterback than it is to the quarterback in a real game.
I don't live with this person so I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea as to why Boris acts the way he does. But you don't live with them either.
My post was to present the FACT that not all resource guarding issues and food aggression issues are simple behavioral issues that can be fixed with "love and guidance" and within 2 weeks. Sure many of them can, but not all of them.
If you are so mighty and knowledgable, then why don't you take the dog and show everyone how it's done. However, I must say that it's much easier being an armchair quarterback than it is to the quarterback in a real game.
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Mia, I absolutely agree with you. Some dogs are wired wrong. I guess it's the same as "bad" people....some can change and some can't. I really think Boris could though. Or at least I think he deserves a chance to change because the environment he's in won't give him that. It is indeed a VERY bad dog-owner match, and the infant x2 isn't helping that at all.
Grammy....the goldens you've known have all been raised from puppies with families you knew who cared about them. I've known more food aggressive, fear aggressive, and dog aggressive goldens than probably any other breed, to be honest.
Grammy....the goldens you've known have all been raised from puppies with families you knew who cared about them. I've known more food aggressive, fear aggressive, and dog aggressive goldens than probably any other breed, to be honest.
You've been lucky then! One of the guys I train with said the worst and most painful bite he ever took (this is a guy who LIKES to be bitten by dogs in training, with proper gear of course) was a wrist bite from a Golden. I forget the exact situation he was in, but the dog snapped at him without any provocation and latched onto his wrist. It does happen, probably more often than we think it does.
I can't see putting a dog down without putting 110% effort into correcting them and giving them a chance. Milo is such a great person for offerring to help. Goes to show there ARE people willing to take on a dog with aggression issues.
So many of you are jumping to the PTS option, but how many of you are for the death penalty? Sounds to me like if you think a dog with the POSSIBILITY of hurting someone should be put down, then why should we be giving people chance after chance AFTER they already hurt someone?
I hate to see any dog PTS, but I could not put a dog to sleep unless I know I had tried EVERYTHING. From the posts I read before it seems that Fran and her husband have not been able to be consistent with the training, and with the twins I completely understand. I think Boris should be removed from a home with kids, but I wouldn't be able to put him down without giving him a chance with someone who is serious and has the time for working with him. When you rehome, just make sure you sign a contract with all his issues described in detail so they cannot turn around and blame you for it.
So many of you are jumping to the PTS option, but how many of you are for the death penalty? Sounds to me like if you think a dog with the POSSIBILITY of hurting someone should be put down, then why should we be giving people chance after chance AFTER they already hurt someone?
I hate to see any dog PTS, but I could not put a dog to sleep unless I know I had tried EVERYTHING. From the posts I read before it seems that Fran and her husband have not been able to be consistent with the training, and with the twins I completely understand. I think Boris should be removed from a home with kids, but I wouldn't be able to put him down without giving him a chance with someone who is serious and has the time for working with him. When you rehome, just make sure you sign a contract with all his issues described in detail so they cannot turn around and blame you for it.