What Do YOU Think?

[Buddy'sParents]

and anyone else who has that amazing bond

It's truly a wonderful thing.

 

[~Jessie~]

And what current ideals of mine are dangerous? LOL.

I actually have very high morals (religious or not), am a very happy and caring person, am in a loving relationship, do volunteer work, and care so much about animals.

Yes, I have a very reckless way of life since I do not believe in god

 

[sparks19]

^^^Exactly, tolerance and respect towards others. Puck called me foolish and selfish. That isn't exactly being respectful.

Actually, if I recall correctly you were not labelled as selfish because of your beliefs. You were called selfish because of your intense reaction to the word SUBMIT. Your inability to see past the WORD. The fact that you were so revolted by the thought of ever submitting to a man. It does not mean get down and kiss his feet and do everythign he asks as you seem to want to believe. I am assuming you do not challenge everything your husband does or says. You do things for him you don't have to do. To ME that is what that verse means. Total unselfish love. When it no longer becomes YOU and becomes US. and NO it does not mean just the woman has to "submit" Your husband should be willing to do the same as a relationship is a two way street. You just can't seem to get past the WORD and see the IDEA. That is why you received such a label. IMO.

BUT we are beating a dead horse here. We can sit here and complain about who said what and when and why but really who cares? does it affect your everyday life? Probably not. So lets move on with the discussion instead of rehashing things that cannot be changed

 

[Buddy'sParents]

And what current ideals of mine are dangerous? LOL.

I actually have very high morals (religious or not), am a very happy and caring person, am in a loving relationship, do volunteer work, and care so much about animals.

Yes, I have a very reckless way of life since I do not believe in god

If you believe you have a reckless way of life since you do not believe in God, that is on you (I sense the sarcasm, but you said it).

If you have high morals and are happy and caring, then you have nothing to worry about and Puck talking about his faith, should not bother you one bit.

ETA:

BUT we are beating a dead horse here. We can sit here and complain about who said what and when and why but really who cares? does it affect your everyday life? Probably not. So lets move on with the discussion instead of rehashing things that cannot be changed

Well said.

 

[~Jessie~]

If that quote posted was meant as a "two-way street", then why did it specifically state that women should "submit to their husbands", yet did not say anything about men submitting to their wives. It was obviously meant literally, especially considering the times when it was written in. When the Bible was written, it was widely accepted that females were property of men. Whether yours or others' current translations of this text are different, I saw it as what it is , and that is an outdated and sexist view of the female/male relationship.

And, yes, Buddy's parents the sarcasm was loaded heavy on that post...

 

[Buddy'sParents]

If that quote posted was meant as a "two-way street", then why did it specifically state that women should "submit to their husbands", yet did not say anything about men submitting to their wives. It was obviously meant literally, especially considering the times when it was written in. When the Bible was written, it was widely accepted that females were property of men. Whether yours or others' current translations of this text are different, I saw it as what it is , and that is an outdated and sexist view of the female/male relationship.

And, yes, Buddy's parents the sarcasm was loaded heavy on that post...

Times have changed. And it has been pointed out that one should look past the word, submit. There is much more to His word.

I'm curious, you don't believe it, so why do you care so much? (I realize this may sound rude, but I'm not meaning to- I'm having a hard time wording this).

I am in a living, dedicated relationship with my husband, we confirmed our bond in front of God and our family in a small chapel not too terribly long ago. I do not submit to my husband.. we treat each other as equals.

 

[Dizzy]

You know what - I don't find it offensive people spouting off at me about what a wonderful life they lead through god... I just find it slightly patronising.

People sort of.... baby talk those who don't believe.. like "I know something you don't know - ner ner neeer ner ner"..

But isn't this a thread about sex, not religion?

 

[Fran27]

Yeah, really. Why does it always comes back to religion in the end... Oh wait, probably because people can't think apart from their religion. Kinda sad I guess.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Yeah, really. Why does it always comes back to religion in the end... Oh wait, probably because people can't think apart from their religion. Kinda sad I guess.

Or perhaps religion is a part of every aspect of our lives.

 

[Dizzy]

Or perhaps religion is a part of every aspect of our lives.

Nice one.

Can we get back to the interesting stuff now though

 

[Fran27]

Yeah, and I find it sad. I feel religious people are missing out on something... but again I'm sure religious people feel that non-religious people are missing on something. As long as people are happy.

I just really wish there would be more respect from religious people to non-religious people... It's not because you're religious and married that your love is worth more than the love of non-religious and non-married people.

 

[Fran27]

Dizzy, you really just want to talk about sex don't you?

 

[Dizzy]

Sex or food - which ever

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Yeah, and I find it sad. I feel religious people are missing out on something... but again I'm sure religious people feel that non-religious people are missing on something. As long as people are happy.

I just really wish there would be more respect from religious people to non-religious people... It's not because you're religious and married that your love is worth more than the love of non-religious and non-married people.

I have all the respect in the world for everyone. Whether they believe what I believe- or not. I don't find your life sad and I certainly do not need sympathy for mine- it's great.

And I have not said that my love is worth more than the love of others. No need to put words in my mouth.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Sex or food - which ever

I vote food.. I'm hungry.

 

[M&M's Mommy]

Yeah, really. Why does it always comes back to religion in the end... Oh wait, probably because people can't think apart from their religion. Kinda sad I guess.

I think it's always come back to religion in the end because religions have a very special place in many people lives. It defines who a person is, and often governs his or her view on life, it also provides instruction on how a person should live his life. When a question is asked, or a subject being discussed have something to do with a person's way to live - then automatically it relates to his/her own religion, which in turn directs his/her response to the subject.

You cannot ask someone how he/she thinks about a moral subject (in this case, the subjects being premarital sex & getting married) and expect him/her to exclude what he truly belives (his religion) from his answer. As an atheist may lead a very different lifestyle than a devout Christian, his answer may very well be different than that of the Chirstian's.

 

[Fran27]

I wasn't talking about you Buddy's Parents - just an impression I got from reading the thread.

I just really don't think that getting married changes anything in one's relationship. All that stuff people said about their wife or husband, I feel the same way, but I did before getting married, too.

I guess what I'm getting to is that I just don't think it's realistic to vow to love someone forever. Sometimes things just don't work out. It's none of our business to say that because it didn't work out, means people got married for the wrong reasons... Sometimes people just don't know better, and they really think that they're making the right decision... and I don't feel it's right to expect people to stay together no matter what when things are not working out, just because you make a vow. And, to come back to sex, I think that having sex before marriage can help making the decision. Because it's intimate, and it just says much more about the other person than anything else.

 

[Dreeza]

Sex or food - which ever

How about both!?

 

[sparks19]

Yeah, and I find it sad. I feel religious people are missing out on something... but again I'm sure religious people feel that non-religious people are missing on something. As long as people are happy.

I just really wish there would be more respect from religious people to non-religious people... It's not because you're religious and married that your love is worth more than the love of non-religious and non-married people.

I am not missing out on anything. I have lived a full life. I haven't lived any less of a life than you have.

You ask for more respect from religious to non religious but do we not deserve respect also? I have not seen any of that. Our faith has been accused of being sexist, unrealistic, and that it shelters us and makes our lives unfulfilled. We are missing out becuase we believe in God.

if you get offended by someone else talking about their religion than you are too sensitive. I have seen disrespect from religious and NON religious in this thread. It doesn't go one way. We deserve respect for our beliefs JUST as much as anyone else deserves. Religion gets brought into a topic because it is a VERY important part of some people's lives. it doesn't make us wrong. Just as YOUR beliefs are a part of this thread (people that believe marriage is nothing but a piece of paper, people believing sex is fine with anyone at anytime.) Those are all peoples PERSONAL beliefs. Why, when I state MY personal beliefs, is it wrong just because my beliefs and morals stem from my faith? I am not pushing my faith on anyone by saying WHY it means so much to me and why I believe things are wrong and right.

No marriage may not change your relationship but if you think it is unrealistic to pledge y our love to someone for ever than why even bother getting married? I DO believe I can pledge my undying love for the rest of my life to this person. Getting married is the perfect way to cement my intentions, to say what words can't, it is the ultimate commitment. sometimes sh!t happens but if your relationship is strong enough it can make it through anything. Something VERY drastic is going to have to happen to stop that from b eing so. We have faced the financial hardships, the almost year long seperation from each other, we have looked tempation in the eye but were never tempted to the point of action because it is just not worth it. one night of sex with some hot guy/girl is not worth giving up a life time of love, respect and admiration that I get from my husband and that I give to him.

 

[~Jessie~]

Hmmm, I did post that I respect everyone and I do not care if someone is relgious or not... and your husband told me that he does not respect me, and continued to try to push things. He also told me that I was wrong.

So, you are asking for everyone else to respect you, and you are saying that you respect everyone else... but it is also okay for puckstop to not respect anyone who disagrees with him?

Round and round we go...