This is probably a loaded question...but.....
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I took pages to say that and it didnt come out as good.
I am going to leave this thread because Im gettin my new puppy tomorrow and I am thinking only happy thoughts for the next 48 hours. When he gets his first sight of me there will be sunshine beaming from me in all directions and thats saying a lot because it will be night time when he arrives.
I really enjoyed this thread and I would love to discuss it more at another time.
I am going to leave this thread because Im gettin my new puppy tomorrow and I am thinking only happy thoughts for the next 48 hours. When he gets his first sight of me there will be sunshine beaming from me in all directions and thats saying a lot because it will be night time when he arrives.
I really enjoyed this thread and I would love to discuss it more at another time.
Geez, I can't believe I missed this debate. 
Tail_Chaser... Why do you consider the Palestinians to be terrorists? Their country was STOLEN from them. They are the victims here. Look it up. Here, let me help you.
Start here: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
http://www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/siege.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/pales.html
And you should really look around, because the people in our current government are pretty **** extreme.
Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Tail_Chaser... Why do you consider the Palestinians to be terrorists? Their country was STOLEN from them. They are the victims here. Look it up. Here, let me help you.
Start here: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
http://www.afsc.org/israel-palestine/learn/siege.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/pales.html
And you should really look around, because the people in our current government are pretty **** extreme.
Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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Just because someone is Middle-Eastern or from the Middle-East does not make them a terrorist. I know a family that is Arab and come from Palestine. My Mom talked to the man after 9/11 and he talked about how much he loves America, how he couldn't even take a walk in the Middle-East. His US flag is up most of the time. When I passed their house walking the dogs, he raised his hand, smiled, and waved. And many Middle-Eastern people consider dogs dirty. These people are a nice family, I like them, they are nice people. My religion is much different than theirs - I am Christian and I believe they are Muslim - but just because of our differences doesn't mean I should disrespect them and call them terrorists.
Well, many of the things you listed are acts by Palestinians, and you call them acts of terror. As if they are completely unprovoked and they just do it because they are evil and hateful. But check out my links, and I think you will see that they are only fighting back.
But I'm not really sure what that has to do with 9/11 anyway. The Palestinian-Isreali conflict is a completely separate issue. Most of the highjackers on 9/11 were Saudis.
Check this link out. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2005/05/20/notes052005.DTL&nl=fix
No... the Isreali-Palestinian conflict has nothing to do with 9/11 or Iraq. The only reason it has anything to do with the United States is because we chose to ally with Isreal. But like I said, that is a completely separate issue. You can't use Palestinian attacks on Israel as a reasoning for 9/11. It just doesn't make sense.
Please elaborate on Clinton's mistakes. I'm sure they won't even come CLOSE to the mistakes Bush made. It happened on HIS watch. The memos passed over Rice's desk. He was briefed by the CIA.
Here are some links, again. Seriously, you should read them.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/shor0521.html
You don't watch Fox News, do you?
Please elaborate on Clinton's mistakes. I'm sure they won't even come CLOSE to the mistakes Bush made. It happened on HIS watch. The memos passed over Rice's desk. He was briefed by the CIA.
Here are some links, again. Seriously, you should read them.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/shor0521.html
You don't watch Fox News, do you?
More than a year before the 9/11 attacks, Clinton administration intelligence officials had identified four of the 19 9/11 hijackers as a terrorist threat - including al-Qaida team leader Mohamed Atta and his partner Marwan al-Shehhi, whose planes destroyed the World Trade Center and killed over 2,700 people.
But the critical information was not acted on, at least in part, because of prohibitions against intelligence sharing implemented by former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who was reportedly installed in her post at the insistence of then-first lady Hillary Clinton.
In the summer of 2000, a military team, known as Able Danger, had prepared a chart that included visa photographs of Atta and al Shehhi and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Rep. Curt Weldon and a former intelligence official told the New York Times.
"We knew these were bad guys, and we wanted to do something about them," the former intelligence official said.
However, the recommendation was rejected and the information was not shared, in part, said the Times, because the four suspects had entered the United States on valid entry visas.
But Rep. Weldon and the unnamed intelligence official also cited what the paper described as "a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law enforcement agency."
In fact, such intelligence sharing was strictly prohibited under Ms. Gorelick's policy, known at the Justice Department as "The Wall," which, in the spring of 2000, had also prevented the CIA from tipping off the FBI that two additional 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, had entered the country.
Al-Midhar and al-Hamzi were identified by the Able Danger team as well, the Times said.
In its final report, however, the 9/11 Commission made no mention of the fact that the Clinton administration had identified key members of the hijack team, even though, the Times noted, that information had been shared with 9/11 Commission members.
The account by Weldon and the Times intelligence source is the first assertion that Atta and al Shehhi - who caused the most destruction in the worst attack ever suffered on U.S. soil - had been identified by the Clinton administration.
In testimony before the 9/11 Commission last year, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft blasted Gorelick's "Wall," saying, "The single greatest structural cause for September 11 was the wall that segregated criminal investigators and intelligence agents"
"[Ms. Gorelick] built that wall," said Ashcroft, "through a March 1995 memo."
The Gorelick memo stipulated, in part:
"We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."
Ms. Gorelick is expected to be a leading candidate for attorney general should Mrs. Clinton win the 2008 presidential election.
But the critical information was not acted on, at least in part, because of prohibitions against intelligence sharing implemented by former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who was reportedly installed in her post at the insistence of then-first lady Hillary Clinton.
In the summer of 2000, a military team, known as Able Danger, had prepared a chart that included visa photographs of Atta and al Shehhi and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Rep. Curt Weldon and a former intelligence official told the New York Times.
"We knew these were bad guys, and we wanted to do something about them," the former intelligence official said.
However, the recommendation was rejected and the information was not shared, in part, said the Times, because the four suspects had entered the United States on valid entry visas.
But Rep. Weldon and the unnamed intelligence official also cited what the paper described as "a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law enforcement agency."
In fact, such intelligence sharing was strictly prohibited under Ms. Gorelick's policy, known at the Justice Department as "The Wall," which, in the spring of 2000, had also prevented the CIA from tipping off the FBI that two additional 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, had entered the country.
Al-Midhar and al-Hamzi were identified by the Able Danger team as well, the Times said.
In its final report, however, the 9/11 Commission made no mention of the fact that the Clinton administration had identified key members of the hijack team, even though, the Times noted, that information had been shared with 9/11 Commission members.
The account by Weldon and the Times intelligence source is the first assertion that Atta and al Shehhi - who caused the most destruction in the worst attack ever suffered on U.S. soil - had been identified by the Clinton administration.
In testimony before the 9/11 Commission last year, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft blasted Gorelick's "Wall," saying, "The single greatest structural cause for September 11 was the wall that segregated criminal investigators and intelligence agents"
"[Ms. Gorelick] built that wall," said Ashcroft, "through a March 1995 memo."
The Gorelick memo stipulated, in part:
"We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."
Ms. Gorelick is expected to be a leading candidate for attorney general should Mrs. Clinton win the 2008 presidential election.
I figured that was what you were going to bring up.
Bush was elected in 2000. The attacks happened on 9/11/01. Why isn't he to blame for not acting? I'm sure he was privy to the same information. In fact, he recieved MORE info about the SPECIFIC attacks that happened (see my links). And he did nothing.
Bush was elected in 2000. The attacks happened on 9/11/01. Why isn't he to blame for not acting? I'm sure he was privy to the same information. In fact, he recieved MORE info about the SPECIFIC attacks that happened (see my links). And he did nothing.
I support the troops. I support them so much in fact, that I think we should bring them home.
But I don't support the president. And nothing Bin Laden could say could change my mind on that.
Besides, anything regarding Bin Laden or 9/11 ONLY justifies the war in AFGHANISTAN, where major combat has supposedly been over since 2003.
Besides, posting that letter would be resorting to a purely emotional argument.
I think I'm going to get some things done around here, so I may not reply back to you until later.
But I don't support the president. And nothing Bin Laden could say could change my mind on that.
Besides, anything regarding Bin Laden or 9/11 ONLY justifies the war in AFGHANISTAN, where major combat has supposedly been over since 2003.
Besides, posting that letter would be resorting to a purely emotional argument.
I think I'm going to get some things done around here, so I may not reply back to you until later.
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I also support the troops and just want them home. I also don't support the president. There's other issues in America that we need solved rather than spending so much on the war. The only reason Bin Laden was able to carry out such an expertly thought out act was because he recieved expert traing from the CIA while Bush Sr was president. We've made mistakes in our past that could have been avoided if we worried more about our problems than the problems of other countries. That these mistakes came back to bite us in the @ss.
I know how America has this urge to help other countries. We're also under stress because we're the "big brother" country and it wouldn't look right if we didn't help. I think its about time we worried more about matter in our country before trying to help others. That can come later
I know how America has this urge to help other countries. We're also under stress because we're the "big brother" country and it wouldn't look right if we didn't help. I think its about time we worried more about matter in our country before trying to help others. That can come later