This is probably a loaded question...but.....
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this is slightly off topic but does anyone else think that the U.S. should be a little more careful?
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http://www.cosmos.ne.jp/~miyagawa/nagocnet/data/submarinee.html
I was in Japan when that happened ^ it was really devastating for them. One of my students said he wished he could give up his life for those kids that were killed.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1024898318542_20307518
http://www.cosmos.ne.jp/~miyagawa/nagocnet/data/submarinee.html
I was in Japan when that happened ^ it was really devastating for them. One of my students said he wished he could give up his life for those kids that were killed.
We had help when we where fighting for our freedom. Granted we started our own fight and needed help. The Iraqis where a people in need of help. Did the Afgans and the Iraqis want our help? Ive heard both, they want to be left alone and that they want and welcome our help.
Should we be there shedding our blood for their peace? Yes, we've turned a blind eye to region for to long, many of the problems there we are responsible for and would be irresponsible to expect others to clean the blood from our hands. Would I be there if I was able? Yes.
Would I slit my wrists for freedom in the Middle East? No, dying for a cause is better than a worthless gesture that would make me no better than a homicide bomber.
A free Iraq and Afghanistan could stabalize the region and give the people there something they havent had for a long time. Peace and freedom there could lead to peace and freedom for the region and the world.
Should we be there shedding our blood for their peace? Yes, we've turned a blind eye to region for to long, many of the problems there we are responsible for and would be irresponsible to expect others to clean the blood from our hands. Would I be there if I was able? Yes.
Would I slit my wrists for freedom in the Middle East? No, dying for a cause is better than a worthless gesture that would make me no better than a homicide bomber.
A free Iraq and Afghanistan could stabalize the region and give the people there something they havent had for a long time. Peace and freedom there could lead to peace and freedom for the region and the world.
There was no unified outcry for help from the iraqis, nor was there any rebellion or underground seeking aid. What there was according to the bush admin was WMD's - and I don't think they meant 'weapons of minor damage'. The reason to invade Iraq was to defend America/the free world from terrorists. 'Offense is the best defense".
There was no mention of this being a humanitarian effort when the reasons for going to war were stated. They didn't surface until 'mobile biochemical labs' failed to be turned up and nothing beyond the standard 'scuds' and various other caches of 'standard' weaponry were found. The humanitarian angle was nothing beyond a very keen sales job when the WMD's didn't turn up in the first couple of weeks.
Were the people of Iraq oppressed? Yes. Were the people of Iraq happy? Some yes, some no. Is Iraq going to be better for the efforts and sacrifices of all the soldiers who have/are/will serve there? God, I hope so. Were the reasons for going to war in the first place verified in any way? Absolutely not.
There was no mention of this being a humanitarian effort when the reasons for going to war were stated. They didn't surface until 'mobile biochemical labs' failed to be turned up and nothing beyond the standard 'scuds' and various other caches of 'standard' weaponry were found. The humanitarian angle was nothing beyond a very keen sales job when the WMD's didn't turn up in the first couple of weeks.
Were the people of Iraq oppressed? Yes. Were the people of Iraq happy? Some yes, some no. Is Iraq going to be better for the efforts and sacrifices of all the soldiers who have/are/will serve there? God, I hope so. Were the reasons for going to war in the first place verified in any way? Absolutely not.
Are going to give them freedom like ours complete with income taxes and all the other bullshit we threw away or real freedom? Would you be ok with foriegn occupation here if they were "fixing" us? Why is it our responsibility to make the whole world free? Dont you think that China has issues of equal importance we need to address would you want us to go there? If we had no income taxes, how much would you pay each week for liberating the world?
They have the choice to decide their freedom and I hope the powers that be let them make that choice.
If I felt oppressed and lacked the ability to fight I hope I would welcome liberation. I do not feel the opression the Iraqis where under and I like to feel I am well armed even though I lack some long reach firearms Ild like to own.
I dont feel it is our responsiblilty to make the whole world free, I would like to right the wrongs we have done and caused the sufferring of people because of our short sightedness.
If we had a direct roll in the formation of the Peoples Republic of China, Ild like to see that info.
China is not Iraq or the ME, and like NK requires a different tactic.
I cant imagine a underground or public cry for change in Iraq would have lasted long
If I felt oppressed and lacked the ability to fight I hope I would welcome liberation. I do not feel the opression the Iraqis where under and I like to feel I am well armed even though I lack some long reach firearms Ild like to own.
I dont feel it is our responsiblilty to make the whole world free, I would like to right the wrongs we have done and caused the sufferring of people because of our short sightedness.
If we had a direct roll in the formation of the Peoples Republic of China, Ild like to see that info.
China is not Iraq or the ME, and like NK requires a different tactic.
I cant imagine a underground or public cry for change in Iraq would have lasted long
So why arent you there? Seriously. Any cause that I think is worth American lives I will be there. I think there are many causes worth American lives, but they are all right here. If its worth my sisters sons life it is **** sure worth mine and I would help in any way that I could espescially when it comes to fighting. I guess I just lost all that gung ho bullshit and I opened my eyes to the lies that these politicians have been telling us. Its very easy, read the Bill of Rights then reflect on the way it is only hanging on by a thread and you will see that you are being lied to. Half of the soldiers oath is about that document.
I gotta work but ill read when I get back gnite folks
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I don't see the point in the war. We went to find weapons of mass destruction. Than we want to liberate the people. What do we want now? I think everything could be solved with peace. I want our men and women to come back safe. I want the money being used on the war to be used on poverty. But mostly, I dont want there to be any more death. We have enough problems. No matter what we do the Iraqis aren't going to listen to us. Its pretty much their culture.
I joined the USMC in Aug '95 and was discharged 4 months later because of stress fractures in both ankles and hip problems, that ended any chances I had in our Armed Services. Today if I lied to get back in the service I would be a liability to those in the fleet, I still have ankle and hip problems. Im not going to go overseas to profitteer in the private sector.
Maybe its easy to want to go but cant. Maybe my MOS would put me in a noncombat situation over there, but many nocombat MOS personel are winding up in firezones.
Maybe its easy to want to go but cant. Maybe my MOS would put me in a noncombat situation over there, but many nocombat MOS personel are winding up in firezones.
If that became the case, unless we pull out the nukes, China would become the USAs bestest friend and ally. I dont see a land war on Chinese soil viable. There is a chance.
The former Soviet Union did not see a land war on the USA as viable because of how well armed our people are. With the Chinese they dont have to be well armed, they can force or coerce the people to overwelm our troops by numbers alone.
The former Soviet Union did not see a land war on the USA as viable because of how well armed our people are. With the Chinese they dont have to be well armed, they can force or coerce the people to overwelm our troops by numbers alone.
Renee, I have a $1 bet that you have seen more than once "Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
It may be my way of thinking but freedom is rational and communistic and socialistic societies are irrational.
Buckshot the way our federal government is leading us the more I want to see Alaska cecede from the union, before it is to late.
I wish I was old enough for the office in '08. Even so Im to honest to win.
It may be my way of thinking but freedom is rational and communistic and socialistic societies are irrational.
Buckshot the way our federal government is leading us the more I want to see Alaska cecede from the union, before it is to late.
I wish I was old enough for the office in '08. Even so Im to honest to win.
Of course I have, Blue! And I've also read The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, lol! I grew up in the long shadow of Berkeley, Huey P. Newton, Haight-Ashbury and Abbie Hoffman and have reverence for very few of the trappings of authority. I don't believe that "God is Dead" but I'm pretty sure Nietzche is, and I count Thomas Jefferson as one of the true visionaries of the modern age. I believe that justice is the highest and most ambitious aspiration of man, but compassion and mercy and reverence for all life are the finest and most enduring qualities of mankind. And I also believe that no man can grant another freedom. Freedom must be claimed on one's own terms to be anything more than a change of masters.
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