Puggle breeder defends herself here.
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To the original poster -
What Yuck said about you is correct. Because you have your pups have a vet visit before you sell them doesn't mean that they are healthy. Sure, they won't get sick in the first 2 weeks, but what about hereditary problems that you never tested on the parents? I'm not as strict as others on my definition of responsible breeder, but it does imply having all the parents tested for all possible defaults and problems they could have. I haven't seen anything about this on your website, so I assume that you sell dogs that are poor quality. So what Yuck said is true, as far as I'm concerned.
To the person who mentionned the barn fire -
Yuck did tell us that there was a fire, then three days later than she found out that some of the horses were not in it. So, no she didn't lie about it here as you seem to say.
What Yuck said about you is correct. Because you have your pups have a vet visit before you sell them doesn't mean that they are healthy. Sure, they won't get sick in the first 2 weeks, but what about hereditary problems that you never tested on the parents? I'm not as strict as others on my definition of responsible breeder, but it does imply having all the parents tested for all possible defaults and problems they could have. I haven't seen anything about this on your website, so I assume that you sell dogs that are poor quality. So what Yuck said is true, as far as I'm concerned.
To the person who mentionned the barn fire -
Yuck did tell us that there was a fire, then three days later than she found out that some of the horses were not in it. So, no she didn't lie about it here as you seem to say.
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I can only say if you came here to cause trouble then go home. Please don't involve me in things that I have no knowledge about. I know nothing of this phantom suicidal lady. This is the first I have heard of any of this. Please don't condem me for others actions. I sure am glad I did not share much of my life with other people and I kept most of my life here. Wow what a lesson well learned. I think I need a time out because after all this has taken place I feel uncomfortable here as well. Just alittle too much hassel from others and I don't feel that the good people here deserve it. Since it all centers around me if I leave then it should become peaceful here for all of you again. I am sorry that this has happened and that people need to defend such actions. I have enough to deal with right now without having others causing more hassel and more hurt. Thank you to everyone who stepped up and defended me and offered there sympathies. You are all appreciated for your kindness.
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By the way for those interested the person saying PTS the friendly dog was not Karen101. Well rumour has I am going to be sued for Libel, from the posts here, funny I only see Libel against me not anyone else. Good luck maybe I will end up rich when this is all over. I won't leave just need a cooling off period. I think you all deserve that, I wish to remain a member of the pack here it is comforting but I don't think it is fair to have you all have to concentrate on defending me rather than concentrating on your doggies and much more important things. Thanks again you have all been great.
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I recieved an email from one of the police officers I know very well who is a member on TP and there was a post that they are all apparently gathering information against me. I never mentioned names or did anything considered to be Libel , but the very first post in this thread sure is Libel as are a few others. It would be my pleasure to go to court and bring my witnesses [a very higherly respect Chief of Police in the Ontario Provincial Police]. I will counter sue if any attempt even passes by me. I am sick of this crap and it is so frustrating to deal with.
Forrest Gump " Stupid is as stupid does"
Forrest Gump " Stupid is as stupid does"
Forgive me, but I can't read through this whole post because it gets me too heated 
As an avid pug exhibitor and defender I am so saddened by what you are doing to this breed. It is BYB like you that don't work to preserve what the pug is suppose to be known for, bred for, and what a pug should look like. You don't breed to protect pugs, or to better the breed, you breed to put money in your back pocket at the expense of your dogs. This behavior disgusts me and makes me so sad. I love this breed so much and get so angry when I see this kind of stuff take place. You have no right, or place on this forum to bash other members...why don't you look in the mirror and re-examine yourself and your so called love for dogs.
BTW Karen101...your pugs look incredibly unhealthy on your website and they don't even come close to adhering to standard, but I guess that doesn't matter because it makes you money
As an avid pug exhibitor and defender I am so saddened by what you are doing to this breed. It is BYB like you that don't work to preserve what the pug is suppose to be known for, bred for, and what a pug should look like. You don't breed to protect pugs, or to better the breed, you breed to put money in your back pocket at the expense of your dogs. This behavior disgusts me and makes me so sad. I love this breed so much and get so angry when I see this kind of stuff take place. You have no right, or place on this forum to bash other members...why don't you look in the mirror and re-examine yourself and your so called love for dogs.BTW Karen101...your pugs look incredibly unhealthy on your website and they don't even come close to adhering to standard, but I guess that doesn't matter because it makes you money
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I can't see anyone being that stupid so I think maybe just someone trying to stir it up abit. I know Luc is abit of a stirrer, a real sweatheart though. Maybe he is just trying to comfort me by saying he will support me, who knows. If papers cross past me I will let you know but for now it is just talk. I 'm at the point where I just don't care anymore, I don't think anything would phase me now. Just been through to much now. Oh well I think I need to read some other posts and just learn abit of great information about training rather than dealing with more and more frustration. Thanks again.
Also a quick side note, no one here new anything about Karen 101 until she came here and started this thread. She was even smart enough to give her website, so she has really allowed everyone to see what she is about; without me saying anything at all.
Also a quick side note, no one here new anything about Karen 101 until she came here and started this thread. She was even smart enough to give her website, so she has really allowed everyone to see what she is about; without me saying anything at all.
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Well, (drawing out my sword), I don't really quite understand what these people have to gain by coming here to attack yuck. This is the INTERNET, not real life. She didn't put a knife in someone's back, she didn't kill anyone, etc. There are people out there downloading kiddie porn and you mean to tell me they think they are going to sue you over some internet stuff that seems to me is a lie to begin with? I work in a law office, and I will say that it is highly unlikely that anything they have would even be admissible in court. Plus, any attorney I know would laugh at this case and say how ridiculous and how hard it is to do something like that. They can barely catch the kiddie porn ring people over the internet, what the hell do they care whether or not yuck "told some lies" or not. Libel and slander are not easy things to just accuse someone of. You have to PROVE how it damaged them, and from what I gather here, I just don't see anything that is even near proving that she cause damage in any way shape or form.
Don't even get me started on the byb thing, because it may cause me to say a lot of things that are not very nice. I will just say that Manchesters hit it right on the money and I agree with everything she said about that.
And one more time, this is the INTERNET, if you believe everything people say and you SEND them things, money, etc., then you should be taken for a fool. I completely believe yuck here in this instance, but if anyone is asking for help, or money, you are at your own risk if you send them anything. Ever heard of the term "Buyers Beware", well it is a saying that goes perfectly with the internet.
Don't even get me started on the byb thing, because it may cause me to say a lot of things that are not very nice. I will just say that Manchesters hit it right on the money and I agree with everything she said about that.
And one more time, this is the INTERNET, if you believe everything people say and you SEND them things, money, etc., then you should be taken for a fool. I completely believe yuck here in this instance, but if anyone is asking for help, or money, you are at your own risk if you send them anything. Ever heard of the term "Buyers Beware", well it is a saying that goes perfectly with the internet.
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