would you own a dog-aggressive dog?
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If a dog kills it is aggressive. I don't care what 'type' of aggression it is. Aggression is aggression and the sooner that people start realizing that the better.
This statement is just ignorant!
Labra...are you serious? A cat comes into a yard and the DOG is the bad guy? Puh leeze...cat owners that allow cats to run at large...many times in cities where leash/containment laws apply to dogs AND cats...are their own worst enemy.
The dog should NEVEr be blamed for killing a cat that has entered the occupied yard of a dog.
If killing another creature such as a cat is not aggression, what the heck is it? I'd love to know
As stated before, it is prey drive-a simple google search might help you understand the term alittle better. Better to read up on it and understand it more before ASSuming anything.
Cats are not like dogs which is why they can roam freely
WHICH is why they aren't quite smart enough to trespass on a dog occupied yard, and get its self KILLED! Cats have NO RIGHTS to roam freely. And owners who lat them roam freely, shouldn't have a cat as a pet to begin with anyways.
This statement is just ignorant!
Labra...are you serious? A cat comes into a yard and the DOG is the bad guy? Puh leeze...cat owners that allow cats to run at large...many times in cities where leash/containment laws apply to dogs AND cats...are their own worst enemy.
The dog should NEVEr be blamed for killing a cat that has entered the occupied yard of a dog.
If killing another creature such as a cat is not aggression, what the heck is it? I'd love to know
As stated before, it is prey drive-a simple google search might help you understand the term alittle better. Better to read up on it and understand it more before ASSuming anything.
Cats are not like dogs which is why they can roam freely
WHICH is why they aren't quite smart enough to trespass on a dog occupied yard, and get its self KILLED! Cats have NO RIGHTS to roam freely. And owners who lat them roam freely, shouldn't have a cat as a pet to begin with anyways.
Municipal Court Judge, Francis X. Gorman (7-8-2004 Toledo, OH) states: “Obviously the ratio of dog bites per dog versus dog population seemingly would be relevant in this case. However, as pointed out by Dr. Peter Borchelt, the number of dog bites, “the numerator” as he calls it, is irrelevant without having exact statistics as to “the denominator”, the number of dogs in existence. Candidly, this court feels that much of this statistical information, as will be seen is irrelevant. Pit Bulls do not cause the most bites in the United States. Certainly the bites of mixed breed dogs far exceed those of the Pit Bull because there are many more mixed breed dogs than Pit Bulls. Moreover, even local statistics indicate that, for example, the Chow bites more frequently than the Pit Bull.”
A recent study of the medical charts of minors seeking medical attention for dog bites did actually reference the breed involved (as identified by the veterinarian providing proof of rabies vaccination) to the total breed population as could reasonably be determined by administrative district records (Pediatrics, March 2006). The resulting risk index showed that German Shepherd Dogs were 5 times more likely to cause bite trauma than “pit bulls” over a ten year period. It also stated that “we did not identify any of these fighting breeds to be likely to attack more frequently than the average.” http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/content/full/117/3/e374
To put all of this into perspective I offer some additional information that I discovered. In the United States, approximately:
1 out of every 37 people in the U. S. is a convicted felon
50 people a DAY are murdered (humans are certainly a dangerous animal)
25, 000 people die each year because of drunk drivers
17,000 people fall to their death
3,000 deaths caused by accidental drowning
3,000 women a year die of spousal abuse
2,000 children are killed every year by their parents, through abuse and neglect (A child is 800 times more likely to be killed by their adult caretaker than by a “Pit Bull”)
Dog bite related fatalities did not even make the National Geographic magazine's August 2006 issue feature “Ways to go” chart.
http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
Dr. Ian Dunbar, a veterinarian and behaviorist from Berkeley, CA. believes the entire issue is overblown. “we’re talking about maybe ten fatal attacks on people annually” he says. “Is this really something we should be putting our public policy efforts toward?” He maintains more people are killed annually by tripping over their own slippers than all fatal dog attacks combined, regardless of breed. Even Dr. Julie Gilchrist of the CDC agrees. “The truth is that SUV’s are far more dangerous than pit bulls, and they’re still on the road. As a public health researcher, I want to prevent all mortality and morbidity. But the truth is that with just over 60 million dogs in America, and who knows how many millions of pit bulls, it’s not a statistically significant issue.”
It is estimated that around 5,000,000 dogs per year are killed in shelters. In many places “Pit Bulls” make up as much as 30-50% of the shelter population, and sadly, are less likely to be considered for adoption than any other breed. Assuming that 25% of the shelter dogs killed are “Pit Bulls”, then approximately 1.25 million “Pit Bulls” are killed in shelters every year. Therefore, it is at least a half a million times more likely that a “Pit Bull” will be killed by a HUMAN, than the other way around.
A recent study of the medical charts of minors seeking medical attention for dog bites did actually reference the breed involved (as identified by the veterinarian providing proof of rabies vaccination) to the total breed population as could reasonably be determined by administrative district records (Pediatrics, March 2006). The resulting risk index showed that German Shepherd Dogs were 5 times more likely to cause bite trauma than “pit bulls” over a ten year period. It also stated that “we did not identify any of these fighting breeds to be likely to attack more frequently than the average.” http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/content/full/117/3/e374
To put all of this into perspective I offer some additional information that I discovered. In the United States, approximately:
1 out of every 37 people in the U. S. is a convicted felon
50 people a DAY are murdered (humans are certainly a dangerous animal)
25, 000 people die each year because of drunk drivers
17,000 people fall to their death
3,000 deaths caused by accidental drowning
3,000 women a year die of spousal abuse
2,000 children are killed every year by their parents, through abuse and neglect (A child is 800 times more likely to be killed by their adult caretaker than by a “Pit Bull”)
Dog bite related fatalities did not even make the National Geographic magazine's August 2006 issue feature “Ways to go” chart.
http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm
Dr. Ian Dunbar, a veterinarian and behaviorist from Berkeley, CA. believes the entire issue is overblown. “we’re talking about maybe ten fatal attacks on people annually” he says. “Is this really something we should be putting our public policy efforts toward?” He maintains more people are killed annually by tripping over their own slippers than all fatal dog attacks combined, regardless of breed. Even Dr. Julie Gilchrist of the CDC agrees. “The truth is that SUV’s are far more dangerous than pit bulls, and they’re still on the road. As a public health researcher, I want to prevent all mortality and morbidity. But the truth is that with just over 60 million dogs in America, and who knows how many millions of pit bulls, it’s not a statistically significant issue.”
It is estimated that around 5,000,000 dogs per year are killed in shelters. In many places “Pit Bulls” make up as much as 30-50% of the shelter population, and sadly, are less likely to be considered for adoption than any other breed. Assuming that 25% of the shelter dogs killed are “Pit Bulls”, then approximately 1.25 million “Pit Bulls” are killed in shelters every year. Therefore, it is at least a half a million times more likely that a “Pit Bull” will be killed by a HUMAN, than the other way around.
The JRT that we've adopted is proving to be dog aggressive, but only towards Gunnar. Gunnar has also displayed some DA in the past, so we're walking a tightrope with the 2 of them. For a couple weeks, the JRT would run after Gunnar as Gunnar would be doing his normal things- patrolling the yard, going and getting a toy to play with. The JRT would be growling, showing teeth, and posturing aggressively. Gunnar would turn around, decide he didn't like the signals he was getting, and let him have it. At first, he'd just roll the JRT, and the JRT would run yelping into the house and hide. The next couple times, Gunnar would chase him down and bite him. He drew blood when he did this, once on the back, once on the shoulder. Same result, JRT runs yelping into the house and hides.
The last week, Gunnar hasn't paid any attention to the JRT. The JRT is still very aggressive towards him. If Gunnar gets excited at all, like when he wants to go out, the JRT will dart from behind a chair and try and nip him while he's not looking. If Gunnar turns around, he'll run away. If Gunnar even runs by him outside, the JRT will run yelping into the house now, with no contact at all. But he'll continue to act out in aggression every chance he gets. Gunnar could easily kill him, it would take one bite and a shake and he'd be done. When Gunnar went after him those few times, it happened so fast, in the blink of an eye he was on him, bit him, and was off of him. It would take the same time for him to kill him. We're glad that Gunnar has finally decided the JRT is no threat to him, and he goes about his business as if the JRT doesn't exist, but we'll always have a heightened awareness. Now, the JRT is held or crated when the other 3 are taken out and given their dinner. Once they are eating, we let the JRT out to eat. Otherwise, with the chaos that abounds around dinner time here, we'd be taking a chance that the JRT would get hurt. Same thing for bathroom time in the morning. Gunnar and Daisy are let out, they come in, I put Gunnar in a down/stay, and let the JRT out. I don't ever think we'll get the JRT to not show DA towards Gunnar, but we can do all we can to prevent opportunities for them to get at each other.
So- would I own a DA dog? Yes, I have 1 and 1 who will give it back if he's challenged. Would I adopt a DA dog? Yes, we did, we had to give Buzz a home. He's really a fun little guy and he gets along with Bruzer and he tolerates Daisy, and has stopped worrying about our cat as well.
The last week, Gunnar hasn't paid any attention to the JRT. The JRT is still very aggressive towards him. If Gunnar gets excited at all, like when he wants to go out, the JRT will dart from behind a chair and try and nip him while he's not looking. If Gunnar turns around, he'll run away. If Gunnar even runs by him outside, the JRT will run yelping into the house now, with no contact at all. But he'll continue to act out in aggression every chance he gets. Gunnar could easily kill him, it would take one bite and a shake and he'd be done. When Gunnar went after him those few times, it happened so fast, in the blink of an eye he was on him, bit him, and was off of him. It would take the same time for him to kill him. We're glad that Gunnar has finally decided the JRT is no threat to him, and he goes about his business as if the JRT doesn't exist, but we'll always have a heightened awareness. Now, the JRT is held or crated when the other 3 are taken out and given their dinner. Once they are eating, we let the JRT out to eat. Otherwise, with the chaos that abounds around dinner time here, we'd be taking a chance that the JRT would get hurt. Same thing for bathroom time in the morning. Gunnar and Daisy are let out, they come in, I put Gunnar in a down/stay, and let the JRT out. I don't ever think we'll get the JRT to not show DA towards Gunnar, but we can do all we can to prevent opportunities for them to get at each other.
So- would I own a DA dog? Yes, I have 1 and 1 who will give it back if he's challenged. Would I adopt a DA dog? Yes, we did, we had to give Buzz a home. He's really a fun little guy and he gets along with Bruzer and he tolerates Daisy, and has stopped worrying about our cat as well.
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HOLY COW!!!! How could you possibly blame a dog for killing a CAT, RABBIT, BIRD, OR ANY OTHER SMALL ANIMAL?? A dog is an animal, NOT a human. In fact, a dog is a carnivore!!! Please do not expect a dog to not act like a dog. And if you think a dog should be punished or labeled aggressive for doing what god intended it to do... then you have no business owning such animal. Stick with a rat for crying out loud.
A dog shouldn't be labeled aggressive if it attacks a cat outside of its own territory either. That would be the owners fault.
Would you call a cat aggressive for killing a rodent? Its the same thing. PRAY DRIVE.
A dog shouldn't be labeled aggressive if it attacks a cat outside of its own territory either. That would be the owners fault.
Would you call a cat aggressive for killing a rodent? Its the same thing. PRAY DRIVE.