....whoa...

[Richie12345]

Tonight my parents and I went out for dinner to get some good seafood (actually my salmon was dry and had no flavor, but whatever) and we got in this arguement about the dog I want. Well, it seemed to go on... and on... and on, a few people looked at us (and that wasn't the most embarrasing part)... Anyways, somehow, we started talking about rescuing a dog... So now my parents and I are considering rescuing a dog at the shelter... Man, it seems to go back and forth and back and forth...

My mom and I looked at a few dogs, and I fell in love with Shasta:

I really think I can talk my mom into getting this pitbull, and I hope I get it...

 

[poeluvr]

awwwwwwwww.adorable

 

[Renee750il]

Such a sweet face. The poor girl looks like she's all but given up on someone loving her.

 

[Richie12345]

Such a sweet face. The poor girl looks like she's all but given up on someone loving her.

Yeah, she looks like she got beaten a little

 

[Renee750il]

I hope your Mom falls in love with her and can't bear to leave her there any longer

 

[Manchesters]

Yeah, she looks like she got beaten a little

This is uncanny! I not more than 10 minutes ago was wondering about the possibility of giving Richie the info for perhaps the Beagle Club of America Rescue!!!!!!!! I don't know if the Harrier club would have any dogs for rescue, but they might. ALL of the breed clubs have a rescue division. If you go to www.akc.org and look up clubs or member clubs, you should be able to find the list!!!!!! Talk about great minds thinking alike!!!!

 

[Fran27]

A dog looking healthy isn't a proof at all that he actually is.

Honestly, you look very stubborn in your food ideas, so I suggest you go to the food forums and start having a few chats with Mordy. No offense, but I think everyone here believes someone who has done LOTS of research about food (food as it is now, mind you, not how it was 20 years ago) more than someone who claims to know everything just because he bred dogs for 40 years, and who thinks that just because he sees a healthy dog fed with pedigree it is a good food.

And man, I'm tired of it - are you a she or a he? Let's get it straight!

 

[Manchesters]

A dog looking healthy isn't a proof at all that he actually is.

Honestly, you look very stubborn in your food ideas, so I suggest you go to the food forums and start having a few chats with Mordy. No offense, but I think everyone here believes someone who has done LOTS of research about food (food as it is now, mind you, not how it was 20 years ago) more than someone who claims to know everything just because he bred dogs for 40 years, and who thinks that just because he sees a healthy dog fed with pedigree it is a good food.

And man, I'm tired of it - are you a she or a he? Let's get it straight!

No, I am not stubborn. Just how many hundreds of dogs have you fed in the last 30 years? How many puppies have you raised? What proof can ANYONE offer about the quality of the various foods? And just what business is it of ANYONE what another person feeds his/her dog. Just drop the issue. You are obviously brainwashed, and have no PROOF to offer. And you are off topic in this thread!

 

[Fran27]

Seriously Manchester, have you at least read Mordy's site? She's got all the proof I need. I'll be nice and give you the link :

http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/

Please, if you think she's wrong in some aspects, take it to the food forum and explain why. I would be willing to listen to you as long as you use better arguments that 'you have no proof', 'my dogs look healthy' and 'I've been feeding dogs for 30 years'.

I don't care what people feed their dog, I do care however when they come here to call other people brainwashed or liers.

 

[Renee750il]

Hey, Richie - maybe if your Mom read some of the stories about Gypsy, a Pittie who was found discarded in a ditch to die after being gravely injured fighting in the Pits she might lose some of her remaining reluctance . . .

There are two or three threads about Gypsy in the News forum.

 

[Manchesters]

YOOOHOOOO---FraniePoo!!!!

Seriously Manchester, have you at least read Mordy's site? She's got all the proof I need. I'll be nice and give you the link :

http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/

Please, if you think she's wrong in some aspects, take it to the food forum and explain why. I would be willing to listen to you as long as you use better arguments that 'you have no proof', 'my dogs look healthy' and 'I've been feeding dogs for 30 years'.

I don't care what people feed their dog, I do care however when they come here to call other people brainwashed or liers.

Lookie Lookie Cookie what I found on Mordy's site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All commercial dog foods are bad
A very general statement with little credibility and even less proven facts to back it up. Anyone who puts even just a little time into research will see that the quality of products varies just as much as the ethics and philosophies of the manufacturers who make them. It is true that there are foods of good, average and downright bad quality, but there are companies who take great care in choosing the ingredients for their food.

Now just how do you like them apples, huh, huh, huh????????????

 

[Manchesters]

I will be a little less gleeful now, and try to respond appropriately. I am the one who has been accused of not giving a **** about the health of my dogs because of what I feed. I have asked to detailed be provided FACTS. Of course there are none, because Pedigree is a very widely used, and highly regarded food among dog professionals.

And it seems that no one gets the point of what I am saying-----the final proof of how nutritional a food is can be found in the health and condition of puppies from dogs fed this food. That is the ULTIMATE proof. A female fed a poor quality diet will become thin, have coat problems, and generally be unthrifty during gestation. Often the puppies will be thin and raggedy looking at birth. The dam will not have sufficient milk, and will become even thinner during lactation. Generally the puppies will not thrive. And puppies fed such food will look skinny, have a dull coat, be listless, and possibly have bone disorders.

I have SHOWN proof of what the food I use does to and for my dogs. Now just how many litters have YOU and the others around here produced and raised???? How many used Pedigree and had disastrous results? All I would like to see is some first hand information........not stuff read on a site that someone else wrote!! So, let us have some proof offered from "the other side"!

 

[yuckaduck]

Sorry can't offer proof to the bad side of pedigree but I did feed a german shepherd male who was suppose to be babysat and just never seemed to be picked up again, [he was 9 months] pedigree. I never ever had a problem with him, his coat was shiny and his teeth were clean. He was not fat but far from thin too. He is now 16 years old and still healthy and active. Still no problems and still fed pedigree. To me that would say the ain't all that bad. Me we are going to feed Yukon Coscoe Kirkland Signatures, adult chicken and rice. That is our choice and we are starting slowely to make the switch and we are sticking with it. It is within our price range and I feel it is good quality. I will let Yukon tell me different. This poor little guy has been fed so many different diets that probably he will appreciate the chance to stick to something permanetly. I'm going to see for myself because I too have seen no documented proof on the quality of foods or what harm they have done.

Manchesters, I told my folks about the Ol Roy and shocker they said they would happily switch. I'm in complete shock! lol

 

[Renee750il]

Now who's off topic.

Drop it. Feed your dogs whatever you wish to feed them. I can 'prove' any point I like by isolating a statement and using it for my own purposes - I've seen some of the best do it in my long years working with some highly competent attorneys, and have watched them do it very successfully, I might add. It's also the way most political offices are won, and we all know how highly we regard the tactics and self-serving pseudo-ethics of politicians.

Mordy has proven her credibility time and time again by backing up her statements with facts and research and an uncanny analytical ability. Linda Arndt has many years of experience as a breeder on which to back her research with practical evidence. I'm not too shabby a researcher myself, and did a great deal of research before stumbling into Chazhound, Linda Arndt's site or meeting Mordy, and I'd come to many of the same conclusions on my own, not to mention having a first hand knowledge of what kind of toxic practices are urged on the farmer in today's beef production.

So - we all know of your total loyalty to the commercial dog food industry; you've made it abundantly clear.

Now, back to Richie's thread.

 

[smkie]

Richie i do believe this thread was about you wanted to rescue not a food debate..anyway.. keep one thing in mind..a rescue dog takes a different approach...and it isn't always easy, but if your determined it can be done..when you start with a babe from a breeder or a babe from a shelter..either one..there has not been "damage done" for Victor he had fear, and over compensation..im not sure how to spell that right..but he flung himself at you so deseperate for love that he way over did it..and he was a handful..when you start with a dog like that you take on teh buvket load of problems and start working on them one by one..as well as housebreaking, basic training..too..im not saying you shouldn't..but this is your first dog..and you have as much learning to do as the puppy does.. you also need to check out all the rules on pittys and how the dog will be received in your neighborhood and community..this looks like she could be a very strong gurl, and she will need strong hands to guide her..if it were me..not looking at the pic of her because i know better, i would still suggest you start out with a young pup so you can do your learning together..and then when you are a bit older if you are still interested in rescue..you could go that route..and maybe help foster a dog or two.but first you need to learn how to train..and believe me that is far easier with a small puppy then it is will a big gurl! Either way i applaude your heart..if you listen to it i am sure it will not guide you wrong..just don't want you to get in over your head.

 

[yuckaduck]

I agree with that completely, Richie and if you are interested in rescue the individual breeds do have rescues within them. Sometimes you can get a retired breeder or a dog that was kept for showing and then just didn't quite make it that is already trained. Careful though because you can get buckets of trouble too.

 

[becca_4321]

Vegan vs Meats, baptist vs catholic, democrats vs repulican, guns vs banning guns......it's all things that will always have two different views. It's a never ending debate. Let it go now, please.

 

[yuckaduck]

Sorry for getting off topic I only read the last post instead of starting at the beginning, my mistake won't happen again.

 

[doggedouthouse]

well said

well said smkie rescue is not as easy as people make out ,you took the words right out of my mouth lol


EDITED FOR BAD GRAMMER AGAIN

 

[Manchesters]

More From Mordy

the claim that dogs can't digest corn is not a well known fact, but actually a well known myth.

corn in general is no better and no worse than other grain ingredients in dry dog food. sensitivities vary between some dogs, and some have problems with corn, others with other types of grains, and yet others can't tolerate any grains at all.

corn gluten is a different matter. "gluten" is the protein part of a grain (some grains have more than others, as many gluten-intolerant people can tell you) and is often used as a protein filler in cheap food products. you will find that most products that contain corn gluten as a main ingredient do not have particularly high quality meat sources either.

however, even this ingredient has a flip side. in some specific foods it is used to decrease the overall phosphorus content of the product, which is necessary for animals with various health problems.

in a nutshell: just the fact that a food contains corn doesn't automatically mean it's poor quality. there are many other details to consider.

One little detail.......I cannot find anywhere where Miss Mordanna has had any experience feeding dogs or raising puppies on the various dog foods. In fact she is far less qualified than I am to put forth information on what to feed dogs. ALL OF HER INFORMATION IS SECOND OR THIRD HAND. And it is all information that has been around for decades! Us old pros have read it all years ago.

Anyway, it is as I suspected.......people around here don't even closely read what they are preaching as gospel! So sad.