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I know this is to discuss anything, and that's cool........but I detect a little war between Manchester & Adrienne.....and it seems at this point it's a bit of an ego war. OK...BOTH of you know your 'stuff'. Now, don't get all ramie on me...I like you both, and appreciate that knowledge. I'm starting to think this could go on for eternity. Not that I mind.....it's no sweat off me to see you bang heads. Just had one of my silly thoughts that maybe you could sort of call a truce.....and put that knowledge to better use. I know one thing....if you two were here....and I had to go out.....I WOULD crate you. 
(forgive me ladies.......the heat has fried my puny pea brain)
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My dogs have eaten bones many times....including chicken bones....and nothing has happened to them. It is part of the raw diet they will soon be eating, it's a source of calcium. They crunch the bones for a few seconds and then swallow. They have also eaten marrow bones....big ones that they can't swallow with raw meat on it....and nothin has happened to them.
M
It is spelled REIGNS
Look here dearie...or should I say drearie...oh yeah, and it should be "just because you are older than _I_". But then, since you seem to have trouble absorbing what you read, I guess grammar doesn't really matter.
You make a rather stupid statement above about learning NEW to improve the health of the breed. Like what the heck is there NEW to learn about? The health problems of this breed have been there for eons. The only problems really are vWD, Leggs Perthes, and cancer. They are in ALL lines---ya know why? Because the population was so small once upon a time that all the dogs are interrelated back in their pedigrees. There is no way to avoid cancer either, because it is not self evident at an early age like Leggs Perthes is.
Now as far as breeding----the last litter I had was 6 1/2 years ago. Actually there were 2 litters out of Sharkie and Cricket (litter sisters) out of Gator Gut. HE helped himself that time, and both litters were a shock to me. But that is a discussion only for those familiar with Toy Manchesters and their invisible heats......you just have to trust me on that. There were 7 female pups total. I kept 3 and allowed myself to be begged into letting the others go. This was from people who had been waiting over a year for pups.
Anyway.......someone having the #1 Field Springer does nothing for you knowing anything about the characteristics of the various species of dogs. Just WHAT characteristics are peculiar to Sight Hounds? And to Terriers? I ask because I have both, and am just curious to how much you say is by accident based on any knowledge of what you are saying. At this point, it sounds like your knowledge/experience is non-existent. No interested in proving how much you DON'T know.....simply trying to bring out much you should know before passing judgment!
Nope....I don't know squat about you. I am not a mind reader. And I don't have the strength to read every post folks here have posted.
As far as knowing more than you, what the devil is the big deal about that? I am sure you know a hell of a lot more about field trialing than I---since I don't know squat about it. You very clearly mistake self assuredness for bragging or conceit. I know what I know, period. It is based on many years of first hand experience, and on facts. Not in the least upon subjective opinion. And of course I have had the benefit of the first hand experiences of hundreds of other people.
The figures you presented were very interesting. Thanks for that effort. BUT, one more question......what is the total TOY Manchester population these days? You see, those figures are for BOTH varieties of Manchester. You DO know there are two varieties, right? (Just a little "verbal jab" there--don't get all bent, rofl). Stop trying to make it like I am attacking you. I am not a homicidal idiot out to attack everyone. But I will give back as good as I take!!!!!!
I am watching a couple idiot squirrels trying to get to my squirrel proof tower feeders. I made a change in the way I have them hung, and the squirrels can't get down to them and are having fits!!!!!! I put dog food up on the roof of the carport for the squirrels. There is no way I could afford to feed those things seed. And God is being good......it is nice and cloudy out.....YEA!!!!!!! It is only 89 degrees out. (the above was written for the consumption of the other posters.)
Anyway, if you can learn about the personality quirks held by Terriers and Sight Hounds, it will explain why I raise and care for them as I do, and why I MUST do so.
Look here dearie...or should I say drearie...oh yeah, and it should be "just because you are older than _I_". But then, since you seem to have trouble absorbing what you read, I guess grammar doesn't really matter.
You make a rather stupid statement above about learning NEW to improve the health of the breed. Like what the heck is there NEW to learn about? The health problems of this breed have been there for eons. The only problems really are vWD, Leggs Perthes, and cancer. They are in ALL lines---ya know why? Because the population was so small once upon a time that all the dogs are interrelated back in their pedigrees. There is no way to avoid cancer either, because it is not self evident at an early age like Leggs Perthes is.
Now as far as breeding----the last litter I had was 6 1/2 years ago. Actually there were 2 litters out of Sharkie and Cricket (litter sisters) out of Gator Gut. HE helped himself that time, and both litters were a shock to me. But that is a discussion only for those familiar with Toy Manchesters and their invisible heats......you just have to trust me on that. There were 7 female pups total. I kept 3 and allowed myself to be begged into letting the others go. This was from people who had been waiting over a year for pups.
Anyway.......someone having the #1 Field Springer does nothing for you knowing anything about the characteristics of the various species of dogs. Just WHAT characteristics are peculiar to Sight Hounds? And to Terriers? I ask because I have both, and am just curious to how much you say is by accident based on any knowledge of what you are saying. At this point, it sounds like your knowledge/experience is non-existent. No interested in proving how much you DON'T know.....simply trying to bring out much you should know before passing judgment!
Nope....I don't know squat about you. I am not a mind reader. And I don't have the strength to read every post folks here have posted.
As far as knowing more than you, what the devil is the big deal about that? I am sure you know a hell of a lot more about field trialing than I---since I don't know squat about it. You very clearly mistake self assuredness for bragging or conceit. I know what I know, period. It is based on many years of first hand experience, and on facts. Not in the least upon subjective opinion. And of course I have had the benefit of the first hand experiences of hundreds of other people.
The figures you presented were very interesting. Thanks for that effort. BUT, one more question......what is the total TOY Manchester population these days? You see, those figures are for BOTH varieties of Manchester. You DO know there are two varieties, right? (Just a little "verbal jab" there--don't get all bent, rofl). Stop trying to make it like I am attacking you. I am not a homicidal idiot out to attack everyone. But I will give back as good as I take!!!!!!
I am watching a couple idiot squirrels trying to get to my squirrel proof tower feeders. I made a change in the way I have them hung, and the squirrels can't get down to them and are having fits!!!!!! I put dog food up on the roof of the carport for the squirrels. There is no way I could afford to feed those things seed. And God is being good......it is nice and cloudy out.....YEA!!!!!!! It is only 89 degrees out. (the above was written for the consumption of the other posters.)
Anyway, if you can learn about the personality quirks held by Terriers and Sight Hounds, it will explain why I raise and care for them as I do, and why I MUST do so.
smoking increases the odds...cancer cells are in your body waiting for an opportunity to gain control. Of course, that usually doesn't happen..and it's no big deal. Add 'risk factors' and you gamble with those odds. However...I'm totally agreeing with Renee...look at what you eat. I (and it's just me..not trying to convince the world) believe cancer is linked directly to our food. I agree with genetics, too. I have also known many older people (I worked with the elderly primarily) that smoked, drank, ate whatever........and lived to be in the ninetys just as Bubbat mentioned. If you have a genetic predisposition (sp?..lol, heat) for cancer.....then it becomes a priority for you to be much more cautious of what you expose yourself to. Also......I've known people that were athletes, treated their bodies as a temple........and died young......again, it's how your body reacts to stimuli and cells in existance.
M
Debi-You're A Doll, rofl.
Addy is the one who is getting her panties in a wad, lol. I am like the anvil, and she is the hammer. The anvil is indestructible as we all know. The good thing is that as far as I am concerned there is no animosity. Unfortunately as far as she is concerned, she will not rest until she proves how little I do know, rofl.
But at least there is much information to be gleaned by others who read the posts. And many times people better remember things they read in this type of situation. The thing is that I have an advantage over Adrienne (believe it or not, not sure how to spell her name---that is a problem that developed shortly after the heart trouble, and has become worse since my brain was fried last year by Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and diabetic coma)---so forgive me Adrienne!
Anyway, the thing is that I don't just prattle. If I say something it can be taken to the bank. Now if Adrienne were more forthcoming about her experiences, I am sure there would be areas that she could dance circles around me. I am pretty hep on dog health issues in the general sense, and on daily life training of dogs, and raising puppies physically, mentally and emotionally. And obedience training. And of course on issues related to my breeds, and others of their genre. But there are tons of things I am not well versed in simply because I don't give a flip about them.....like agility, field trials, and the like. But what I AM interested in, I am like a Bloodhound. I find out all there is to find out.
Now.....bear in mind, as I said I stopped breeding actually about 9 years ago. Gator Gut however did not, roflmbo. So I have not kept up with the latest health issues. That is up to my friend Terry, and her buddy Jim Burrows. They are continuing what I started, and what many, many others long before me started! Right now I am simply trying to outlive my dogs, so that when "the big one" hits me there will be only a couple left to be placed. But my dogs are in such good condition that they will likely outlast me, rofl. The Whippet "puppy puppies" are going on 13 (Nov.), the Manchesters are getting up about 13ish also. And all still going strong!
Anyway, I agree---I would crate myself probably, lol. Can't speak for Adrienne. She seems to me to have a bit of a Terrier temperament herself, heheheheh!
Debi said:
I know this is to discuss anything, and that's cool........but I detect a little war between Manchester & Adrienne.....and it seems at this point it's a bit of an ego war. OK...BOTH of you know your 'stuff'. Now, don't get all ramie on me...I like you both, and appreciate that knowledge. I'm starting to think this could go on for eternity. Not that I mind.....it's no sweat off me to see you bang heads. Just had one of my silly thoughts that maybe you could sort of call a truce.....and put that knowledge to better use. I know one thing....if you two were here....and I had to go out.....I WOULD crate you. (forgive me ladies.......the heat has fried my puny pea brain)
(forgive me ladies.......the heat has fried my puny pea brain)
But at least there is much information to be gleaned by others who read the posts. And many times people better remember things they read in this type of situation. The thing is that I have an advantage over Adrienne (believe it or not, not sure how to spell her name---that is a problem that developed shortly after the heart trouble, and has become worse since my brain was fried last year by Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and diabetic coma)---so forgive me Adrienne!
Anyway, the thing is that I don't just prattle. If I say something it can be taken to the bank. Now if Adrienne were more forthcoming about her experiences, I am sure there would be areas that she could dance circles around me. I am pretty hep on dog health issues in the general sense, and on daily life training of dogs, and raising puppies physically, mentally and emotionally. And obedience training. And of course on issues related to my breeds, and others of their genre. But there are tons of things I am not well versed in simply because I don't give a flip about them.....like agility, field trials, and the like. But what I AM interested in, I am like a Bloodhound. I find out all there is to find out.
Now.....bear in mind, as I said I stopped breeding actually about 9 years ago. Gator Gut however did not, roflmbo. So I have not kept up with the latest health issues. That is up to my friend Terry, and her buddy Jim Burrows. They are continuing what I started, and what many, many others long before me started! Right now I am simply trying to outlive my dogs, so that when "the big one" hits me there will be only a couple left to be placed. But my dogs are in such good condition that they will likely outlast me, rofl. The Whippet "puppy puppies" are going on 13 (Nov.), the Manchesters are getting up about 13ish also. And all still going strong!
Anyway, I agree---I would crate myself probably, lol. Can't speak for Adrienne. She seems to me to have a bit of a Terrier temperament herself, heheheheh!
M
I must admit that I have had hundreds of these "verbal jousts" since getting on the internet 8 years ago. For some reason there are many people who seem to resent anyone who is sure of him/herself, and who only live to bring that person down to a lower level. I find it fascinating. But since what I say is based on first hand info and fact, I could not change my tune even if I wanted to! Their argument is with FACTS, not with me! And these folks seem to have absolutely no firm information that they base what they say upon. Soooooo basically what we have is a debate between subjective feelings and known facts. Not really a fair battle, rofl.
Oh, and the above posted facts regarding cancer were gleaned from only a few hundred breeders in the U.S. And Canada. And since Terry and Jim both took part in that survery, my own dogs were part of the results, roflmbo. Talk about a small, small world!!
Oh, and the important thing about knowing the basic characteristics of various groups of dogs is--to me anyway--it gives you information upon which to base the decisions of crating and other important issues. It gives you incite into just what may be included in that "one chance in a hundred". I think it was Adrienne who mentioned about not going outside because one might be struck by lightning?????? That is really a very stupid analogy to use to someone who lives in Florida!!!!!!!! Let me tell ya.....we Floridians can tell you things about lightning you would never dream of. But I kinda doublt that the O.P. Realized that Tampa Florida is the lightning capital of the entire world!!!!!!!
Idiot squirrels are at it again. Speaking of Terrier temperament. All squirrels must have been Scottish Terriers in their previous lives!!!!!! Persistent and STUBBORN!!!!!! And determined to thwart my squirrel proof bird feeders. Sometimes they get so pissed they jump up and down on the tree branch having a hissy fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and the above posted facts regarding cancer were gleaned from only a few hundred breeders in the U.S. And Canada. And since Terry and Jim both took part in that survery, my own dogs were part of the results, roflmbo. Talk about a small, small world!!
Oh, and the important thing about knowing the basic characteristics of various groups of dogs is--to me anyway--it gives you information upon which to base the decisions of crating and other important issues. It gives you incite into just what may be included in that "one chance in a hundred". I think it was Adrienne who mentioned about not going outside because one might be struck by lightning?????? That is really a very stupid analogy to use to someone who lives in Florida!!!!!!!! Let me tell ya.....we Floridians can tell you things about lightning you would never dream of. But I kinda doublt that the O.P. Realized that Tampa Florida is the lightning capital of the entire world!!!!!!!
Idiot squirrels are at it again. Speaking of Terrier temperament. All squirrels must have been Scottish Terriers in their previous lives!!!!!! Persistent and STUBBORN!!!!!! And determined to thwart my squirrel proof bird feeders. Sometimes they get so pissed they jump up and down on the tree branch having a hissy fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M
Bones Of Contention
My reference was to those dogs fed on the BARF diet who eat bones as a regular part of their diet. Many become impacted, and have to have that impaction dug or cut out. As far as an occasional bone, any bone can cause intestinal trouble. I would rather not run the risk. Even knuckle bones can be broken and ingested. Not to mention the dogs that break teeth trying to chew these things. My old Dobe Misty did just that! Snapped the tip off a fang!! That was the end of bones for my dogs!
My reference was to those dogs fed on the BARF diet who eat bones as a regular part of their diet. Many become impacted, and have to have that impaction dug or cut out. As far as an occasional bone, any bone can cause intestinal trouble. I would rather not run the risk. Even knuckle bones can be broken and ingested. Not to mention the dogs that break teeth trying to chew these things. My old Dobe Misty did just that! Snapped the tip off a fang!! That was the end of bones for my dogs!
When my significant other Jim (who liked it that i said his name like Gem) found out he had cancer..i did the reading, the research, the notes at the doc..one of the things i learned is that we all have cancer at least 4 times a year..our bodies dispose of the cells quickly and we never know it..it is when something becomes weakened..that the body can no longer fight off the onslaught..and because cancer cells reproduce geometrically one becoming 2 becomeing 4 becoming 16 and so on..it spreads rapidly. That it always follows certain paths of the body..that is what the doc explained, the books and the informative tape from the cancer institute..why old age in rats is often cancer related..the genetics comes in where the weakness lies..why some are more prone to this then others..and we all know that where chemical spills have created communities with numbers of brain cancers..points out that enviorment can and does play a huge role in this. Certain foods, green tea for one helps keep the cells from reproducing. My friend kelly showed me the info on this..but you must drink it every four hours round the clock. Jim had it in every bone of his body by the time it was discovered..we got the green tea before he even had his first chemo..i woke him up at night with capsules of it and a glass of water. I do believe it was instrumental in his falling levels right from the start..they had all ready started to fall before he had his first treatment..we were diligent..the right diet, the rest, the humour ( a big help for anyone trying to survive) Jim got truly sick of green tea..when they stopped telling him he was going to die, and starting saying he was a miracle, that he was going to be put on a maintenence pill after his last round (they never should of told him that) he figured he was home free..we had been doing this battle for a year. He went back to work, his family dumped their drama drama on him by the bucket load, and he felt he didn't need the diet or the green tea anymore..three weeks later he was dead. It had slipped up his spinal cord and into his brain. So i believe that diet has a tremendous amount to do with fighting off the cancer we ALL have in our bodies up to 4 times a year..and wish with all my heart that i had known when bRonki was growing up that purina was full of stuff that would hasten instead of fight what every weakness he had in his body as well. So it ins't necessarily the breed, or the gene, or where you live, it is all of that together, along with your attitude as well. I worked as a nurses aid, and received my emt, made it most of the way thru my perimedic before i had the rug pulled out from me..so what i post is with a bit of physical expererience as well as book learning. I feed my dogs the best i can..and hope i am here too for the rest of their lives.
Boy, do I know about those pesky little squirrels! I like them...but like you, wonder why they insist on having at the bird feeder when I put out goodies for them. Hmmmm, little piglets they may be! NOW..those chipmonks.....another story...I'd like to give them a swift kick cause I have witnessed them chomping my flowers...a big NO NO in Debi world! Now...I'm heading out into the dreaded heat to walk the pups.....remind me of this whining when I am in the midst of a snowstorm. And, Manchester.......I agree......fascinating how some people will go to great lengths to try to be the 'better'. Guess I'm too darn lazy. I just suck up what facts I can and muddle thru (with help from folks like you)
And, Manchester.......I agree......fascinating how some people will go to great lengths to try to be the 'better'. Guess I'm too darn lazy. I just suck up what facts I can and muddle thru (with help from folks like you) 
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I've stopped the giving of bones. We go once every week or two to the meat market, while there we get the dogs big bones. The last one, one of the dogs got sick several times, I think it might have been Princess. Whichever one it was had spit up peices of bones, some pretty good size. That scared me. No more bones for them.
Well...SHOOT...got chased in already. Thunder..soon the beloved lightening. Storms...becoming an everyday thingy around here and I'm bored with it! LOL Fight nice til I get back. I'll try not to go over the rainbow....I just know I won't look good in those tacky ruby slippers. I don't remember Dorothy having to shut down her computer...........
M
Speaking Of Heat
Our respite did not last long. It is 95 degrees again at 1PM. Time to bring the boys in and put them in their crates for their afternoon siesta. If only those not familiar with crated dogs could see my knuckleheads hopping up and down with excitement to be put into their crates!
I remember chipmunks. They were so cute, lol. I was raised in New York. Spent my formative years in Westchester county.....North Tarrytown (which is now Sleepy Hollow.....dumb)
I even provide special water dishes for the silly squirrels. Guess I could be really mean and NOT provide water with them eating DRY dog food, roflmbo. But that would be too mean even for me.
Debi said:
Boy, do I know about those pesky little squirrels! I like them...but like you, wonder why they insist on having at the bird feeder when I put out goodies for them. Hmmmm, little piglets they may be! NOW..those chipmonks.....another story...I'd like to give them a swift kick cause I have witnessed them chomping my flowers...a big NO NO in Debi world! Now...I'm heading out into the dreaded heat to walk the pups.....remind me of this whining when I am in the midst of a snowstorm. And, Manchester.......I agree......fascinating how some people will go to great lengths to try to be the 'better'. Guess I'm too darn lazy. I just suck up what facts I can and muddle thru (with help from folks like you)
And, Manchester.......I agree......fascinating how some people will go to great lengths to try to be the 'better'. Guess I'm too darn lazy. I just suck up what facts I can and muddle thru (with help from folks like you)
I remember chipmunks. They were so cute, lol. I was raised in New York. Spent my formative years in Westchester county.....North Tarrytown (which is now Sleepy Hollow.....dumb)
I even provide special water dishes for the silly squirrels. Guess I could be really mean and NOT provide water with them eating DRY dog food, roflmbo. But that would be too mean even for me.
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