*PRAYERS please* Off to the Evet with Caiza!

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I actually am pretty interested in the Eagle pack and was just looking at their website. I may try the duck and oatmeal eventually and see how Caiza does on that............Thanks for bringing the Eagle pack to my attention! We never really seem to talk about that food here.
Yeah, it's definitely not talked about as much here as the other brands, but there are a few people that swear by it (ToscasMom I think was one of them). I did quite a bit of research about dog food a while ago, and my final decision was that the Eagle Pack Holistic Select Large & Giant Breed Adult Formula was best for Manni.

The only place around here that keeps it in stock is the Belmont Pet Shop, but they're quite expensive. I order mine from Pet Supplies Plus in Burlington, which is the cheapest I've found. The store their orders on Monday mornings, and their shipments come in on Wednesdays.

Good luck!
 
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Yeah, it's definitely not talked about as much here as the other brands, but there are a few people that swear by it (ToscasMom I think was one of them). I did quite a bit of research about dog food a while ago, and my final decision was that the Eagle Pack Holistic Select Large & Giant Breed Adult Formula was best for Manni.

The only place around here that keeps it in stock is the Belmont Pet Shop, but they're quite expensive. I order mine from Pet Supplies Plus in Burlington, which is the cheapest I've found. The place their orders on Monday mornings, and their shipments come in on Wednesdays.

Good luck!
That is great to know.....Thanks! I know the manager at that store LOL!
 

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I heard today that there are MANY more recalls in both human and dog foods ....................it's just too scary !
 

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Eagle Pack is VERY good food. I just crossed them off because they were so dang rude and secretive in their responses to me during the recall. They DO make their canned foods at Menu Foods and they defended them as a wonderful company who had a bad thing happen to them. We all know how that turned out. But I cannot say bad things about their Holistic dry foods. I have healed many a cat on that food. Tosca unfortunately doesn't like it so I can't feed it to her. I pretty much tried them all and she just couldn't get into it. I was mixing it with NB because she liked the NB. Thank God I got away from THEM.
 

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Eagle Pack is VERY good food. I just crossed them off because they were so dang rude and secretive in their responses to me during the recall. They DO make their canned foods at Menu Foods and they defended them as a wonderful company who had a bad thing happen to them. We all know how that turned out. But I cannot say bad things about their Holistic dry foods. I have healed many a cat on that food. Tosca unfortunately doesn't like it so I can't feed it to her. I pretty much tried them all and she just couldn't get into it. I was mixing it with NB because she liked the NB. Thank God I got away from THEM.
I was glad I dumped NB before the recall..............I picked up a small bag of Canidae lamb and rice today and will probably give it a try in a few days :)
 

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Eagle Pack is VERY good food. I just crossed them off because they were so dang rude and secretive in their responses to me during the recall. They DO make their canned foods at Menu Foods and they defended them as a wonderful company who had a bad thing happen to them. We all know how that turned out.
That's strange, I also emailed them about the recall and got a timely and polite reply:

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Thank you for contacting Eagle Pack Pet Foods. We make all our dry products
here. The recalled products are low end cuts and gravy and we are not
involved in the recall. We do not make or sell this type of product.
We make a high end loaf type food made by Menu to our specifications but it
does not include the ingredients in the recalled product. We are currently
feeding our product to our own cats dogs and there have been no issues.
Thanks for asking,
John
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You probably didn't ask the questions I did and question why they were outsourcing their foods to Menu without disclosing it on their website at a critical time. I wanted to know specifically if any of their ingredients in any of their foods came from outside the USA. Here's one of the emails: (they also copied MENU foods on this email). Do you see an answer to either of those questions? What I see is a dance and a lot bashing of other dog food companies, and excuses for Menu Foods. I wanted to know if they produced any foods or obtained any ingredients from overseas. Don't see that answer here either, just mentions that others do it. I saw somebody not answering my questions with anything other than, "Well the other guys do it too!". I was in a VERY bad mood, and when I saw them defending MENU, it was the end for me.

Good Morning ,

I share what you are saying and I can understand but can I ask you to consider a few things. First, we do have a statement on our Site; see paragraph 3 on the home page. We have been forthright.

Almost all canned food made in North America, regardless of brand, is outsourced. If a brand wants to have canned food in its line, there is almost nowhere to go. Other than Menu, and we recognize the issue, and one other company, you would throw up if you saw the facility. One pet food company tried telling pet owners that they made their canned food and their dry food in their own plant and sent the product to a canner to be canned and their dry to Diamond (recalled product last year) to be bagged. Go to www.petsit.com and scroll to Natural Balance. Read what is said there. Other companies won't tell you where their dry/canned product is made.

You know we make our own dry product and it is considered the best on the market. We get high marks from The Whole Dog Journal. If you read any of the forums like www.Dogforum.com you will see we are highly regarded for the quality of our food and customer service. You know we are not involved in the recall and our food is safe. We create our own formulas which dictates the high quality ingredients. Our ingredients are generally a higher grade than what goes into the recalled cuts and gravy which sells for 49 cents a pouch vs. our canned loaf style at $1.79.

How would you know that any brand you might change to is not outsourcing ingredients overseas and is outsourcing its actual manufacturing of its dry and/or canned? Some are lying and some won't tell you.

Menu has had the best reputation in the business. Our decision to use Menu came after due diligence and a review of all available companies. It had nothing to do with cost. It had everything to do with quality, though I know you won't buy this. As noted, only one other company had facilities we would approve. Three have since gone out of business and the balance would make you throw up. A very unfortunate thing happened to a very good company. Look at the human food industry. Look at the brand name peanut butter recall, organic spinach recall, the food problems onboard cruise ships etc.

What I state here is fact and we know our food is safe.

We do thank you for sharing your thoughts,

John Marsman
Director Of Marketing and Nutritional Services.
 

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Now here's Canidae's response to the very same questions. Whom would you say gave me straight answers?

Dear Cynthia,

To reiterate, CANIDAE Pet Foods is in no way is affected by the current can re-call, and we aren't, or have never been, produced at any of the recalled facilities. We do not produce Cuts and Gravy, Pouches, and none of our products contain wheat, or wheat gluten.

With the current cuts and gravy recall by a large co-packer, and all the misleading information, we thought we would help explain the production of canned foods. There are only a hand full of co-packers that are located in the US and they produce most canned foods. A few companies choose to have their cans made outside the US, and may or may not disclose that information to you. The pet food industry co-packers are no different from the human products we ourselves eat or drink on a daily basis. Each formula is different and unique to the specific pet food company in which the formulas are owned. Ingredients, quality grade of meats, grade of carbohydrates, vitamin and mineral formulations, to name a few, are all at the discretion of the pet food company in which the products are produced for, and are apparent by the governmental regulated labels. Our heartfelt concerns go out to all involved and or affected by the re-call.All Canidae products are produced in the USA. We do not purchase ingredients from any suppliers outside of the US. All Canidae ingredients are grown &/or raised in the USA. In addition, we only purchase the absolute best USDA grade "A" hormone and antibiotic free meats. Our rice is also grade "A" Pesticide free. Our fish is FDA inspected and passed residual free of ethoxiquin.

Our cannery is a small facility located in IL. and able to produce the highest quality products. This small family operated facility only produces products that are of the highest quality human grade ingredients. Our formulations were created by an outside nutritionist that has been developing canned foods for over 35 years. You can feel assured by our quality and product performance that our cannery holds the highest standards in production, and is regulated by AAFCO by (NRC), USDA, FDA, IDA, EU Approved and is Organically Certified.
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<!--[endif]-->Our dry foods are produced in TX. Our plant has been involved in animal nutrition for over 75 years. The original pet food extrusion mill was built in 1978. CANIDAE's involvement with the plant sparked the introduction of our own extruder in 1999. Our dry goods facility also regulated by AAFCO by (NRC), USDA, FDA, TDA and EU Approved. We are currently under production with a brand new plant at the same facility to keep up with the growth and demand of our product line.

In order to ensure the highest quality meat based biscuit ever created, we ventured into the biscuit production business in 2003. Our 100 foot oven runs our fresh biscuits daily in a building opposite our extrusion plant in TX. Our biscuit plant is also regulated by AAFCO by (NRC), USDA, FDA, TDA and EU Approved.
Sincerely,
Team Canidae
 

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Now here's Canidae's response to the very same questions. Whom would you say gave me straight answers?
I honestly don't have any problem with how either company answered that question. I can certainly understand Eagle Pack's position.

Anyway, I guess in the end it boils down to personal preference and gut decisions. I know people around here that will no longer feed dogs store-bought "dog food". They are now preparing all their dogs' meals themselves. I don't think this is a good idea personally (people often oversimplify a dog's diet), but again it's personal preference.
 

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i only just saw this and read through the first few pages.

What a bad scare but atleast you know whats going on eh?

hope he's all better and you find the right food for him
 

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First, I am so sorry poor Caiza is having these poblems.

When I first acquired Uncle Fred in december, he had blood and mucus in his stools, and was treated for Giardia, among other things. It cleared up initially, but recurred. Then his symptoms recurred, but he tested negative for Giardia, he was started on flagyl anyway and the symptoms cleared up, so he was put chronically on a lower dose of flagyl. He stayed on it for a couple of months, and is now off, with no recurrence.

Giardia can be difficult to eradicate completely, and doesn't always show up on tests. Thankfully, my vet treated Uncle Fred based on history and symptoms anyway. The last time he was passing large quantities of frank blood. It was really scary. I have no idea if this is Caiza's problem, but the history of giardia made me think of it.

Suzanne
 

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First, I am so sorry poor Caiza is having these poblems.

When I first acquired Uncle Fred in december, he had blood and mucus in his stools, and was treated for Giardia, among other things. It cleared up initially, but recurred. Then his symptoms recurred, but he tested negative for Giardia, he was started on flagyl anyway and the symptoms cleared up, so he was put chronically on a lower dose of flagyl. He stayed on it for a couple of months, and is now off, with no recurrence.

Giardia can be difficult to eradicate completely, and doesn't always show up on tests. Thankfully, my vet treated Uncle Fred based on history and symptoms anyway. The last time he was passing large quantities of frank blood. It was really scary. I have no idea if this is Caiza's problem, but the history of giardia made me think of it.

Suzanne
Thank guys :) And Suzanne :D He also has the history of the Gastritis in the past and had been doing well for months until this past week :( He is doing well now on a bland diet, flagyl, and pepcid AC. I plan on starting him on the California Natural lamb and rice tomorrow and see how that goes. I am going to mix a little in with the hamburg and rice. I have even had thoughts of putting a basket muzzle on him when we go hiking, walking, etc. so he can't eat anything! I am at my wits end and want to keep him safe from harm. He grabs things so fast and most of the time I catch him, but obviously I am not as fast as he is!
 

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I honestly don't have any problem with how either company answered that question
Well I honestly do, because the thing is Canidae answered my specific questions I mentioned and Eagle Pack did NOT.
 

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