PETA is sick!

[BostonBanker]

i also think that people are getting a little to worked up over the politically correctness of everything. who really cares if your an animal rights or an animal welfare activits? the important thing is that you are trying your hardest to make things better when a lot of other people are sitting at home discussing the difference.

There is a huge, huge difference that you are either not seeing or not acknowledging. Animal welfare says you have to treat your dogs and cats well, provide food and water and shelter, and give them a loving, safe home.

Animal rights says you have no right to "own" another animal, and you should release your pets from your house right now. They would be better off getting hit by a car or poisoned while loose and dying then they are safe in your home. That is not an exageration at all - that is what "animal rights" means.

So, go let them out. Stop worrying about the one jumping your fence, and whatever you do, don't put out food for them or let them back inside. They are natural, wild creatures who should not be forced to be our slaves.

 

[ravennr]

Animal Rights: No bee keeping, which means no eating honey at all. No horseback riding because stalls are cruelty to animals. No breeder support of any breeder no matter how good. No dog showing because kenneling is horrible, and prancing a dog around is horrible too. BSL support, because if anyone really cared about a breed, they'd know it's best to let it go. No k9 units or bomb detection dogs either, too much of a risk of them getting killed or hurt.

And that is the same as animal welfare? No, sorry. PeTA deserves no respect from anyone, no donations, no more members, absolutely nothing. They use scare tactics, false claims, and unnecessary killings to get their point across, which is simply that animals are not meant to be pets, and they should not be forced to help us in any way at all.
Support an animal welfare foundation, not a crappy animal rights organization built on lies, and one woman's grudges being held her entire life. And ALF is just as bad.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Animal Rights: No bee keeping, which means no eating honey at all. No horseback riding because stalls are cruelty to animals. No breeder support of any breeder no matter how good. No dog showing because kenneling is horrible, and prancing a dog around is horrible too. BSL support, because if anyone really cared about a breed, they'd know it's best to let it go. No k9 units or bomb detection dogs either, too much of a risk of them getting killed or hurt.

And that is the same as animal welfare? No, sorry. PeTA deserves no respect from anyone, no donations, no more members, absolutely nothing. They use scare tactics, false claims, and unnecessary killings to get their point across, which is simply that animals are not meant to be pets, and they should not be forced to help us in any way at all.
Support an animal welfare foundation, not a crappy animal rights organization built on lies, and one woman's grudges being held her entire life. And ALF is just as bad.

AGREEEEEED! PETA is a discusting organization as a whole. They say they are trying to help animals, but to me taking peoples pets and saying that they will find them homes and kill them instead is not helping the animals. And Ingred Newkirk should be shot for her stance on BSL. She believes in the euthanization of ANY & ALL pit bull type breed.

They are a bunch of hypocratic murderers and I wish more people knew the actual truth about them.

 

[Aussie Red]

How do you spell PETA, how about Hypocrite , or terrorist, or moron, or criminally insane ??
These are mis guided souls looking for a cause to act badly and they found it. The bad thing is that they are getting tons of money for support that could be put to use actually doing animals some good if it were given to the right places.
I worked beside a PETA GOON once. He was going off on me one day because I was wearing a sheepskin coat.
When we came back in from lunch I politely placed a sign on his desk calling him a hypocrite because he was wearing a leather belt and cowboy boots.
In Salt Lake City they have many mink farms. I am not a big fan of that but I would never think about going in and releasing minks into the wild that have never been in the wild, they did.
Now bear in mind these are peoples businesses and these animals are not wild. Thousands of them were found dead from the cold and no idea how to survive. This is Petas idea of humane. Babies too young to survive without mommy died because mommy ran off in fear. This is their way of sending a message. Never mind that they
A) entered on private property illegally
B) caused great amounts of property damage
C)Stole property
D) caused a great financial loss to the owner
E) caused needless suffering and death to the animals.
The last one is what gets me. How are they helping ???
If one disagrees with the fur business there are other ways to stop it. IE don't buy that coat !

P= people
E= Engaged in
T= terrorist
A= activities

 

[Psyfalcon]

If they actually torched an RV its time they get put on the Domestic Terrorist list, just like the Elves and Alfs their founder funds.

I would like to get a few of them lost in the woods, and then decide its unfair to make the police bloodhound find them. Its too cruel and all.

 

[Whisper]

No, the actual organization does not have the right idea overall. The more I learn about what's actually behind PETA, behind all the promotion of "humane treatment" of animals, I realize that they're a bunch of filthy hypocrites.

It isn't just political correctness. The people who care about animal welfare are in favor of treating animals humanely. This means all animals. This means not hurting any animals to support their "ultimate cause". No killing dogs. No supporting the Pit Bull ban. No burning people's homes and RV's down. Peaceful protests, not brutal violence and murder of these animals that their organization claims to want to protect. You don't see any psychotic, super violent animal welfare activists.

These psychos have the endorsement of their organization, so I feel that the organization is just as bad as the terrorists.

I agree. There is a huuuuuuuuuuuge difference between animal welfare and animal rights/PETA.
I used to think PETA had the right idea but they are truly disgusting.

 

[dogsarebetter]

if it was a rumor....
then why was there PETA vans? i seen those for myself. i wouldnt think if someone went to dog shows that they would support PETA.
i am not saying all of that happened, but i do think PETA was there causing some trouble.

if they really didnt let dogs out, steal some, or tourch and RV then who ever started that rumor did need an a$$ whoopin! there were people freaked out, upset, you know.. all worked up.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

I can see PETA doing ALL of the things that rabbit said that he/she heard they did. I don't think, if the rumors are not true, that it is not a far cry from them.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Some other things we would lose if Animal Rights campaigns succeeded. If someone else already listed these things, forgive me:

No insulin. After all, its made with horses.
No medical research using animals, no matter what it might cure.
No pets. At all. That's exploitation.
No zoos, and likely no captive breeding programs for endagered species since they require human "interference."

They start by going after the things that are the easiest to garner public support against: chaining, cropping and docking, certain breeds, the fur industry, etc. But once all that is accomplished, do you think they'll settle down and let us enjoy what we have left? Unlikely.

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

I don't know that much about PETA. What is there deal anyway????

 

[BostonBanker]

No insulin. After all, its made with horses.

Really? I thought it was synthetic at this point.

I know PreMarin uses horses (the name means Pregnant Mare Urine).

 

[Madilyn's Mom]

Animal rights says you have no right to "own" another animal, and you should release your pets from your house right now. They would be better off getting hit by a car or poisoned while loose and dying then they are safe in your home. That is not an exageration at all - that is what "animal rights" means.

I'm not quite sure where this definition of "animal rights" came from, but in my 20 years of being involved in so called animal rights issues, I have never heard any activists saying that companion animals ought to be released into the wild. I certainly don't consider any of my companion animals to be my "property", they are members of my family and it's because humans decided many years ago to domesticate them---and now it's our responsibilty to take care of them.

My personal definition of "animal rights", in a nutshell, is that all animals deserve to have the right to live their lives to the fullest without enduring harm from humans. Period.

As for PETA, I do think it's a shame that they went off track (to put it mildly), because when they first started out (in the late 80's), they actually made alot of sense and certainly had much saner tactics (they caught my attention and opened my eyes and heart). Unfortunately, I don't think that they will ever regain the respect that they once had from people like myself, let alone from people who aren't yet aware of how they can live without exploiting, harming or killing animals..

On a last note---I do wish that people would stop associating all animal protection activists with being just another "PETA nutjob" because, believe me, we are more upset with the organization than some can imagine.

 

[ToscasMom]

I certainly don't consider any of my companion animals to be my "property", they are members of my family

I can assure you that everyone else on this board considers their dogs members of the family. However, by LAW, your dog is your property.

 

[ToscasMom]

Rumor or not, if there were PETA vans at a dog show, it wasn't so they could enjoy the show. I posted their legal complaint regarding dog shows. They regard ear cropping, crating, and tail docking as blatent animal cruelty.

 

[Madilyn's Mom]

However, by LAW, your dog is your property.

Yeah, perhaps by LAW that may be true, but it certainly doesn't mean we have to agree with it...

 

[ravennr]

You can have a personal definition all you like, but there is a noted difference between animal rights and animal welfare. Animal rights teeters on insanity, and just about everyone that is thoroughly involved is against using animals for absolutely anything.

 

[Psyfalcon]

Well, legally, if your dog is not your property you can not:

Neuter it or otherwise "force" it to have surgery.
Confine it.
Leash it.
Have it pts if injured.

You can say that you can consider a system where it is treated like children, but there are major problems involved with child services, especially when funds are tight. I doubt that pet protective services would do very well.

 

[Madilyn's Mom]

Animal rights teeters on insanity

Hmmm....Interesting opinion

and just about everyone that is thoroughly involved is against using animals for absolutely anything

Yup, pretty much against animals suffering in any way---we're completely wacko! :lol-sign:

 

[Plear]

http://carringtonvanston.net/archives/peta
I love whoever wrote that... haha.

 

[IliamnasQuest]

I'm not quite sure where this definition of "animal rights" came from, but in my 20 years of being involved in so called animal rights issues, I have never heard any activists saying that companion animals ought to be released into the wild. I certainly don't consider any of my companion animals to be my "property", they are members of my family and it's because humans decided many years ago to domesticate them---and now it's our responsibilty to take care of them.

The following quotes are from Ingrid Newkirk, founder and president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA).

"For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding… as the surplus of cats and dogs declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out…"(Harper’s Magazine, Aug 1988)

“The bottom line is that people don’t have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats…if people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects” (Animals, May/June 1993)

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." (Washingtonian Magazine, Aug. 1986)

“One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild…they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.” (Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990)


While PETA does a good job of hiding the agenda these days in order to pull in people who apparently don't do their research, I firmly believe that they continue to have the eradication of animal ownership (or animals as "family" members, for anyone who fools themselves into believing their animals are not property) as their ultimate goal. The potential to do so much good is there, and yet they actually do so little considering the amount of money that passes through their hands every year.

It's one thing to be an advocate for proper treatment of animals. PETA is not an advocate for animals - they are an enemy of those of us who love our animals. And I, for one, will never make the mistake of thinking otherwise.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska