PeTA calling for 400 pitbulls to be killed

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After the massive dog-fighting bust that recently took place in Missouri and surrounding states, PeTA and the HSUS are now calling for all the seized dogs to be killed. In a complete disregard for the Vick dogs and that round of successes, they are saying these dogs are beyond help and will be too aggressive to place. :rolleyes:

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PETA ruins my life.

I HATE that everyone knows I am an animal lover so they automatically assumer I love PETA and CM. I ALWAYS have to correct people. Ugh.. groups like PETA and HSUS annoy me to my witts end!
 

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PETA ruins my life.

I HATE that everyone knows I am an animal lover so they automatically assumer I love PETA and CM. I ALWAYS have to correct people. Ugh.. groups like PETA and HSUS annoy me to my witts end!
Ditto. And then, I usually have to explain why they should NEVER give money to HSUS or PETA and why CM is not a good source for dog training advice.
 

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so much for that dog fighting summit and reevaluating that the H$U$ claimed to be doing. i gave them the benefit of the doubt. stupid me.

oh this makes me so angry. not surprised at all, mind you. ingrid newkirk thinks all pit bulls should be dead. but angry.
 

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.......PeTA and the HSUS are now calling for all the seized dogs to be killed.
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Your title says that PETA is calling for these dogs to be killed, the article only says PETA says evaluating these dogs is dangerous (and their is no actual quote of any PETA representative saying that in the article).

The article also says HSUS expects that most of the dogs will not pass temperament tests. Do you dissagree with that estimate? Do you think most fight trained dogs in shelters become family pets?

Do you think that the millions of dollars that Vick was fined to have his dogs rehabilitated will likely be available for these poor dogs?

Do you think that our tax dollars should be spent to rehabilitate them while thousands of dogs with no issues are killed in shelters every week?

I think the quotes in the article by HSUS are just realistic statements of fact. Perhaps there would be less dog fighting if people fully understand the damage it does even after the dogs are "rescued".

I see nowhere in this article that either PETA and HSUS are "now calling for all of these dogs to be killed." Perhaps you have other information not in this article about these specific dogs you could point to.

I think your title is very misleading without pointing to an article that shows both HSUS and PETA WANT these dogs killed. The article says they expect most of them will be killed, and I think they are right.
 

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I think the quotes in the article by HSUS are just realistic statements of fact. Perhaps there would be less dog fighting if people fully understand the damage it does even after the dogs are "rescued".
and what damage would that be?

do you think the H$U$ was being realistic about the tiny baby puppies who were born in rescue, not in a dog-fighter's yard, that they went to court and fought to have killed several months ago?

isn't the H$U$ supposed to be for the welfare of animals, not the deaths of them? aren't they supposed to be a HUMANE society? what is humane about saving dogs just to kill them?

how many of the vick dogs are living normal lives in normal homes? oh yeah, a whole bunch of them. how many have passed cgcs? at least one is a freaking therapy dog. but these dogs are vicious monsters. oh yes. a bust dog is a bust dog is a bust dog, wastes of space, all. nobody wants those busted up worthless pieces of crap dogs. damaged goods, all. just kill them and be done with it.
 

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Most of the money from Vick went to the CARE of the dogs during a long period while they were deciding their fate and to pay for the evaluations. Much of the rehabilitation was done by volinteers and rescues. Most of the dogs were fine . . . and from the pictures of the busts, many of these dogs are fine.

And yes, PETA wants them destroyed. Everytime this happens, they say things like "dangerous" and recommend they be destroyed. Considering PETAs own kill rate, that's a safe assumption. As for HSUS, even giving them the benefit of the doubt, they don't want to be bothered with saving the dogs . . . they want the dogfighters so they can make more money. Actually spending that money to save live animals would impeed buying more advertising . . . and harm their other mission to get pit bulls, and then other breeds, banned. Perhaps the best way to put this is that those two organizations have always called for a kill, arguing that to judges whenever there is a bust . . . HSUS does not seem to have changed their tune, despite their promises . . . and PETA never will change their tune. Its the animal welfare organizations, as always, saying that there's no telling how many can be saved and they all deserve a fair evaluation.

If you are serious about saving the dogs, you don't run around telling the public how "dangerous" and bad they are, how "most of them will fail". You just say that the tests need to be run, and you are hoping for the best.
 

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Most of the money from Vick went to the CARE of the dogs during a long period while they were deciding their fate and to pay for the evaluations. Much of the rehabilitation was done by volinteers and rescues. Most of the dogs were fine . . . and from the pictures of the busts, many of these dogs are fine.
Yes! I think the total actually came out to about $5,000 per dog which, if you divide it by kenneling, transport, food, and ACL surgeries (Audie blew both of his ACLs) then that barely scratches the surface. The brunt of the expenses were carried by the volunteers and rescues.

These dogs actually appear to be in *way* better shape than Vick's dogs, and I'm hoping they get a chance. HSUS is begrudgingly changing their tone ever so slightly, but public sentiment will go a long way in making them change their tune. When they killed those dogs in South Carolina a few months back (was it 60? 120? can't remember past the fact that half were puppies), public outcry was so loud that they were forced to change their public policy.

A lot of these dogs are safe at HSMO, which is a really pit friendly place, but the next step is getting enough people to volunteer a spot to foster one or help in some other way. If no one raises their hands, then the HSUS and PETA will be justified because they can argue that no one wants them. To complain about it is one thing, to actually do something is a whole different story.

I, for one, will be doing my part when the time comes, but everyone needs to pitch in if we expect to see these dogs make it.
 

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Another aticle
HSUS: Abused Dogs Should Face “Pretty Certain” Death : Nathan J Winograd

The resulting outcry forced HSUS CEO Wayne Pacelle, who had defended the slaughter and HSUS’ handling of the criticism, to back down. While stopping short of an apology or admitting they were wrong in having the dogs killed (including forcing a volunteer to return puppies to be killed), they agreed to re-evaluate their position and meet in Las Vegas to come up with a more humane policy
 
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They preach all this crap, but never do what it.
It's all about money.
If it was someone else, they will be all over them.

Would it be in bad taste for us to call for the burning of 400 PETA offices?
Yes, good taste would be all. :rolleyes:
 

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Yes! I think the total actually came out to about $5,000 per dog which, if you divide it by kenneling, transport, food, and ACL surgeries (Audie blew both of his ACLs) then that barely scratches the surface. The brunt of the expenses were carried by the volunteers and rescues.

These dogs actually appear to be in *way* better shape than Vick's dogs, and I'm hoping they get a chance. HSUS is begrudgingly changing their tone ever so slightly, but public sentiment will go a long way in making them change their tune. When they killed those dogs in South Carolina a few months back (was it 60? 120? can't remember past the fact that half were puppies), public outcry was so loud that they were forced to change their public policy.

A lot of these dogs are safe at HSMO, which is a really pit friendly place, but the next step is getting enough people to volunteer a spot to foster one or help in some other way. If no one raises their hands, then the HSUS and PETA will be justified because they can argue that no one wants them. To complain about it is one thing, to actually do something is a whole different story.

I, for one, will be doing my part when the time comes, but everyone needs to pitch in if we expect to see these dogs make it.
Tell me where to send the check. As for fosters/homes . . . this one little message board has a horde of people ranging from highly experienced trainers and handlers to simply competent dog owners who are willing to help if circumstances permit . . . and there are thousands of people like us.
 

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Tell me where to send the check. As for fosters/homes . . . this one little message board has a horde of people ranging from highly experienced trainers and handlers to simply competent dog owners who are willing to help if circumstances permit . . . and there are thousands of people like us.
Yup, donate straight to the HSMO via the link you just posted. They have *NO TIES* with the HSUS and are the ones directly housing the bulk of the dogs and fighting to save them. My friends and I are putting together a package of dog toys and collars. They are very happy to accept both monetary donations as well as stimulation toys for the dogs (remember, the dogs are evidence and cannot be released for as long as the cases take to determine... it could be months).

You can also donate to BADRAP, who are currently fundraising to build a barn to house some of these dogs and future bust dogs. They have also been pivotal in changing national policy regarding bust dogs so helping them will not only help the current batch of dogs, but future dogs. Bad Rap : Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pit bulls
 

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Now I know I've spent too much time on Facebook, I keep looking for the "like" button for your post, Ana. :rofl1:

I think that would be a wonderful idea about the Chaz care package!
 

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