I just feel like some of these laws are working towards the end that only independently wealthy people can own dogs. Its cruel to chain for more than 3 hours. Some are saying its cruel to crate for that amount of time. Well then how for the love of small puppies am I supposed to go to work? It is very easy for people who are in a position to dedicate everything to their dog to say "well if you can't do it that way, or if you can't afford such-and-such, then you shouldn't own a dog." I'd like to go back to the days where you chose a dog to fit your lifestyle, and as long as you kept it healthy and out of trouble, nobody bothered you.
I don't know if this has any meaning here, but I think it does. I don't need or use Tosca's crate any longer. I never crate her. She has free roam of the first floor of the house, but not the second floor and she knows it. I feed her in the crate because that's where she runs to when she knows it's time to eat. This is because maybe when she was younger, I used to tell her to "get in your room" to eat. I leave the door open when she eats but she really doesn't want to eat her food anywhere else. She just GOES there.. The only time I close the door is when I give her a raw bone to eat. She doesn't get pestered by the cats and she doesn't do that messy dog thing where they move all over the place to find the "right" place to eat the bone. In winter I dont give her raw bones outside, so she prefers to eat those in the crate. Beyond that, she is never crated at night or when I leave the house. Yet.........she's often in the crate. By herself. The door is open but she's there. Several times I found her sleeping in there, sometimes with Mojo. I would have folded down that crate long ago, but I think she LIKES it there. I think she sees it as her private spot or something. So, I don't really believe dogs see their crates as something cruel.
I also agree.
IMO, they would be better off enforcing the laws already on the books (like the leash law which is never enforced
) & spend their time educating people on the PROPER way to contain an animal. This means explaing the good & bad of each & every containment device & going over with people what a dog needs & wants to be healthy & satisfied. The shoudl spend there time actually cracking down on people who don't feed or water their dogs or provide adequate housing whether on a chain, roaming loose in the yard, living in an outdoor kennel, living in an indoor kennel, or even loose in the house. I find it annoying that instead they would rather crack down on someone like me who kennels dogs during the night & chains them during the day without taking into consideration the 1-on-1 exercise given, the fact that all are in great health, the fact that all are happy & well socialized, & the basic fact that all are fed, watered, & have appropriate housing. But as usual, it's easier to fault the good guys & make them pay instead of putting in the extra effort to weed out the bad ones.
IMO, they would be better off enforcing the laws already on the books (like the leash law which is never enforced
) & spend their time educating people on the PROPER way to contain an animal. This means explaing the good & bad of each & every containment device & going over with people what a dog needs & wants to be healthy & satisfied. The shoudl spend there time actually cracking down on people who don't feed or water their dogs or provide adequate housing whether on a chain, roaming loose in the yard, living in an outdoor kennel, living in an indoor kennel, or even loose in the house. I find it annoying that instead they would rather crack down on someone like me who kennels dogs during the night & chains them during the day without taking into consideration the 1-on-1 exercise given, the fact that all are in great health, the fact that all are happy & well socialized, & the basic fact that all are fed, watered, & have appropriate housing. But as usual, it's easier to fault the good guys & make them pay instead of putting in the extra effort to weed out the bad ones.Dr2little I completely agree.
Pancho
I cannot believe that as a pitt bull owner you would even consider chaining your dog outside ever. It's amazing to me. If you lived in ontario and had your pit bull outside not only would they be subjected to fear conplaints, but probably terrible people who are ignorant trying to harm them in multiple ways. It's because of people that are not responsible that have left these dogs unatended outside, not prolerly trained them and they have gotten loose that caused this stupid ban in the first place!
Your comments about "real dogs" is ignorant. The irony of a great dane owner telling you first is very funny actually.
Yes lap dogs may require different more gentle training, but they still get trained the basics like sit in much he same way.
I feed my dog differently, really? I guess you think we are all fruits who hand feed our dogs? again, how ignorant.
You say it's not meant to be insulting, but make insulting comments in the same post.
As for not crating a pitt bull, get some education. Its clear you think just because you own at least one pitt bull you know it all and nothing else will work but what you know right? Think again. There are millions of pitt bulls all over the world crated without any issues, not to mention the friendly pitt bulls in the shelters in cages who do just fine. They need plenty of training and exercise just like any other dog.
Frankly don't bother responding because I will not respect one word you will say after your rude and ignorant comments.
Pancho
I cannot believe that as a pitt bull owner you would even consider chaining your dog outside ever. It's amazing to me. If you lived in ontario and had your pit bull outside not only would they be subjected to fear conplaints, but probably terrible people who are ignorant trying to harm them in multiple ways. It's because of people that are not responsible that have left these dogs unatended outside, not prolerly trained them and they have gotten loose that caused this stupid ban in the first place!
Your comments about "real dogs" is ignorant. The irony of a great dane owner telling you first is very funny actually.
Yes lap dogs may require different more gentle training, but they still get trained the basics like sit in much he same way.
I feed my dog differently, really? I guess you think we are all fruits who hand feed our dogs? again, how ignorant.
You say it's not meant to be insulting, but make insulting comments in the same post.
As for not crating a pitt bull, get some education. Its clear you think just because you own at least one pitt bull you know it all and nothing else will work but what you know right? Think again. There are millions of pitt bulls all over the world crated without any issues, not to mention the friendly pitt bulls in the shelters in cages who do just fine. They need plenty of training and exercise just like any other dog.
Frankly don't bother responding because I will not respect one word you will say after your rude and ignorant comments.
Well yanno what? Good for you! Good GOSH I am sick of seeing you post this over and over as if it makes you better than any of us. I own 10 dogs. I don't tether, but I do crate and I do have fenced yards for my dogs. 6 of my 10 dogs would have been DEAD if I didn't take them. They would have been euthanized. My dogs LOVE their crates and are in them often, for hours at a time, even when the doors are open.
I close the crates when I give raw bones and chewies, so each dog can enjoy their treat without having to worry about another dog taking it. I also close the crates when I cannot supervise them in the house, so they don't get into things they shouldn't that could cause harm to them. The dogs don't care, they don't try and get out. They just relax and often sleep. I know this because when I come back, they're just there. Their paws aren't bloodied, their blankets aren't all messed up, the crates aren't broken. They're very relaxed.
Anything can be abused, from crates to tethering to training collars to training methods. It is NOT black and white.
Good GOSH I am sick of seeing you post this over and over as if it makes you better than any of us. I own 10 dogs. I don't tether, but I do crate and I do have fenced yards for my dogs. 6 of my 10 dogs would have been DEAD if I didn't take them. They would have been euthanized. My dogs LOVE their crates and are in them often, for hours at a time, even when the doors are open. I close the crates when I give raw bones and chewies, so each dog can enjoy their treat without having to worry about another dog taking it. I also close the crates when I cannot supervise them in the house, so they don't get into things they shouldn't that could cause harm to them. The dogs don't care, they don't try and get out. They just relax and often sleep. I know this because when I come back, they're just there. Their paws aren't bloodied, their blankets aren't all messed up, the crates aren't broken. They're very relaxed.
Anything can be abused, from crates to tethering to training collars to training methods. It is NOT black and white.
You need to at least read the posts before you make comments about them.
I DO NOT CHAIN OR CRATE ANY DOG
Again read the post. I do not now own a pit bull as I think the owners are now ruining the breed and the dogs are not the quality they once were. I have owned, trained, shown, and bred several thousand pit bulls. Shipped dogs to every state and several foreign countries.
As far as real dogs, I am talking about the old time pit bull breeders. It was their opinion and mine there were threes types of dogs, game dogs, cur dogs, and lap dogs.
Working pit bulls need a high quality dog food. They cannot continue to work like they should when fed the quality of feed the lap dogs eat.
The friendly pit bulls in the shelters are cull dogs. They would not be there if they weren't. A cull pit bull is a lot difference in a game dog and has to be contained different.
I could care less if you respond. If you would study the history of the pit bull you might get a better understanding about game dogs. They are different than cur dogs and lap dogs. Most people who raise cur dogs and lap dogs do not have the usually do not have the experience or knowledge to raise game dogs.
I DO NOT CHAIN OR CRATE ANY DOG
Again read the post. I do not now own a pit bull as I think the owners are now ruining the breed and the dogs are not the quality they once were. I have owned, trained, shown, and bred several thousand pit bulls. Shipped dogs to every state and several foreign countries.
As far as real dogs, I am talking about the old time pit bull breeders. It was their opinion and mine there were threes types of dogs, game dogs, cur dogs, and lap dogs.
Working pit bulls need a high quality dog food. They cannot continue to work like they should when fed the quality of feed the lap dogs eat.
The friendly pit bulls in the shelters are cull dogs. They would not be there if they weren't. A cull pit bull is a lot difference in a game dog and has to be contained different.
I could care less if you respond. If you would study the history of the pit bull you might get a better understanding about game dogs. They are different than cur dogs and lap dogs. Most people who raise cur dogs and lap dogs do not have the usually do not have the experience or knowledge to raise game dogs.
Well yanno what? Good for you! Good GOSH I am sick of seeing you post this over and over as if it makes you better than any of us. I own 10 dogs. I don't tether, but I do crate and I do have fenced yards for my dogs. 6 of my 10 dogs would have been DEAD if I didn't take them. They would have been euthanized. My dogs LOVE their crates and are in them often, for hours at a time, even when the doors are open.
I close the crates when I give raw bones and chewies, so each dog can enjoy their treat without having to worry about another dog taking it. I also close the crates when I cannot supervise them in the house, so they don't get into things they shouldn't that could cause harm to them. The dogs don't care, they don't try and get out. They just relax and often sleep. I know this because when I come back, they're just there. Their paws aren't bloodied, their blankets aren't all messed up, the crates aren't broken. They're very relaxed.
Anything can be abused, from crates to tethering to training collars to training methods. It is NOT black and white.
Good GOSH I am sick of seeing you post this over and over as if it makes you better than any of us. I own 10 dogs. I don't tether, but I do crate and I do have fenced yards for my dogs. 6 of my 10 dogs would have been DEAD if I didn't take them. They would have been euthanized. My dogs LOVE their crates and are in them often, for hours at a time, even when the doors are open. I close the crates when I give raw bones and chewies, so each dog can enjoy their treat without having to worry about another dog taking it. I also close the crates when I cannot supervise them in the house, so they don't get into things they shouldn't that could cause harm to them. The dogs don't care, they don't try and get out. They just relax and often sleep. I know this because when I come back, they're just there. Their paws aren't bloodied, their blankets aren't all messed up, the crates aren't broken. They're very relaxed.
Anything can be abused, from crates to tethering to training collars to training methods. It is NOT black and white.
If your dogs cannot be trusted in your house when you are not there a little more training might be a good idea. It isn't very hard to train a dog to respect you, your home, and your belongings. You put your dogs in a crate when you are not there. The dog has no choice as you didn't take the time needed to train them.
A dog can be trained to a chain just like many train to the crate. They just have more room, more exercise, and are not so bored. Many lap dogs and cur dogs do not need the same amount of exercise as a game dog.
The dogs you leave in the crate do not have a choice. They have to remain in the crate until you happen to come home to let them out. I do not know what breed you raise but it sure isn't a game dog. They have a habit of breaking out of a crate.
Game dogs are different than lap dogs and cur dogs. What works for them will not always work for a game dog. The majority of people have never even seen a game dog and know nothing about the keep, containment, training, or feeding of the game dog.
If you will read all of the post, I asked what is the difference in crating a dog and chaining a dog. Everyone thinks their way is the only way to contain a dog. They are mistaken. If you do not take the time to train your dog then you may need to use a crate. I choose to spend the extra time needed to train my dog.
What are game dogs? If by games you mean fighting, it's a darn good thing most people don't have experience or knowledge in that. If you admire, and it sounds like you do... such barbaric, cruel abuse, then it's a good thing you are in the minority. There are vastly more pet dogs than these pathetic animals you call real dogs. That is not what domestic dogs were meant to be doing with their lives. Hopefully, that self serving attitude and the owners of that attitude will one day become extinct. Lap dogs are real dogs, btw and here to stay.
If you have to ask what a game dog is you would not understand. I know I am in the minority, I know the history of the breed I choose. I maybe be mistaken but I think others have posted about the most popular breeds. The newest fad breed is of no importance to me, I do not have to wait until others decide what breed happens to be the fad.
Dogs were not domesticated to become lap dogs. That came much later. Dogs were domesticated because they had a job they had to do. If they were not very good at the job they would have never become domesticated.
Lap dogs are here to stay. They increase in numbers each year and people keep thinking up new breeds. Their only purpose is as a companion and some are not even real good at that. I am real glad people have the lap dogs, it might save some working breed from being ruined. The number of working dogs continue to shrink each year. It is a shame what the natural dog has been reduced to and bred down to.
Dogs were not domesticated to become lap dogs. That came much later. Dogs were domesticated because they had a job they had to do. If they were not very good at the job they would have never become domesticated.
Lap dogs are here to stay. They increase in numbers each year and people keep thinking up new breeds. Their only purpose is as a companion and some are not even real good at that. I am real glad people have the lap dogs, it might save some working breed from being ruined. The number of working dogs continue to shrink each year. It is a shame what the natural dog has been reduced to and bred down to.
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Honey, you really need to learn a bit more about who the heck you're talking to on these forums. Face to face with dogs and credentials laid out, I highly doubt you'd be as mouthy.
I met a lot of folks like you when I did cruelty investigation, and you're nothing special. Your attempts to put me down do nothing, but have fun trying.
You seem to be quite proud of the fact that you milled and warehoused fighting dogs - at least that is the image you are giving. Well yanno what? Very few people, if any here, respect the type of crud that you've been spewing.
Honey, you really need to learn a bit more about who the heck you're talking to on these forums. Face to face with dogs and credentials laid out, I highly doubt you'd be as mouthy.
I met a lot of folks like you when I did cruelty investigation, and you're nothing special. Your attempts to put me down do nothing, but have fun trying.
You seem to be quite proud of the fact that you milled and warehoused fighting dogs - at least that is the image you are giving. Well yanno what? Very few people, if any here, respect the type of crud that you've been spewing.
You seem to be very good at making assumptions about those you do not know. I will compare credentials with anyone on this forum. It is possible you missed the thread when many people posted their years of experience. If I remember right those who were posting how much experience they had were in reality only kids who did not have any real experience.
Maybe we can compare the number of champion and grand champion dogs we each have produced. How about the number we have trained and the number of years experience with training and breeding.
How many dogs have you ever had that has your name completely filling up a seven generation pedigree? How many ROM dogs have you produced?
Please give a number of year experience you have in training and breeding dogs.
Please give a number of champions you have bred, trained, and shown.
Please give a number of grand champion dogs you have produced.
Please give the number of generations in a seven generation pedigree that has your name as owner and breeder.
We can compare credentials, go ahead and impress me.
Maybe we can compare the number of champion and grand champion dogs we each have produced. How about the number we have trained and the number of years experience with training and breeding.
How many dogs have you ever had that has your name completely filling up a seven generation pedigree? How many ROM dogs have you produced?
Please give a number of year experience you have in training and breeding dogs.
Please give a number of champions you have bred, trained, and shown.
Please give a number of grand champion dogs you have produced.
Please give the number of generations in a seven generation pedigree that has your name as owner and breeder.
We can compare credentials, go ahead and impress me.
What is your objective or purpose for even being on this forum? You don't have one thing in common with anyone here. The probability of having even one person out of thousands of members feed you admiration or adulation or buy anything you have to sell is extremely low. Maybe you ought to go expound about yourself on a dog fighting forum with your aggressive comrades.
Pancho ... you are here with dog lovers,,,,,,,I personally don't feel you fit in . You love your dogs for what they can do for you ( whatever that is ) , not what you can do for them . You may not own pitties now , but your statement that you have owned and trained several hundreds really opened my eyes ! Dober ,k we posted at same time ... I agree . Adiós Amigo !
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