is this not fair?
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Like Renee said, you own the house, so you can put whatever kind of restriction you want on it.
Saying no intact female dogs, totally logical. They have a messy heat and *if* god forbid the dog got preggers, your house would be a kennel. Nope, that's a no go. That's two problems that the other two categories (intact males & altered animals) don't have.
Restricting intact male dogs isn't "fair" or logical, to me. Housetrained is housetrained, whether intact male or altered, and they have equally non-existent chances of having a litter in your house. But that's JMO, it's your house, you pay the taxes, if I, or this house-seeker don't like it, we have to go somewhere else, that's life when you have animals and rent.
Saying no intact female dogs, totally logical. They have a messy heat and *if* god forbid the dog got preggers, your house would be a kennel. Nope, that's a no go. That's two problems that the other two categories (intact males & altered animals) don't have.
Restricting intact male dogs isn't "fair" or logical, to me. Housetrained is housetrained, whether intact male or altered, and they have equally non-existent chances of having a litter in your house. But that's JMO, it's your house, you pay the taxes, if I, or this house-seeker don't like it, we have to go somewhere else, that's life when you have animals and rent.
But the question was, was her policy of not allowing intact dogs fair? I responded with my opinion. If she wants to go case-by-case then fine, but that wasn't the original question. I am well aware that the status of a dog's sexual organs do not determine the type of owner a dog has. As a soon-to-be owner of one intact dog and one neutered dog, what would that make me? Reponsibility confused? 
Yes, but the issue I had was that the owner couldn't give a reason why the dog was intact. Which to ME indicates that she probably just hadn't gotten around to spaying, for no reason in particular; which does indicate irresponsibility. If she had a reason, any reason, for keeping the dog intact, the situation might be different.
No, but the thread really isn't about you or anyone else on here with intact dogs. I think you are taking it a little personally. It's about the OP and what she is comfortable with on her own property. If she's not comfortable with intact dogs renting, especially if the owner doesn't have what she considers a good reason, and she is up front about that, I'm not getting what the issue is?
Because she ask for opinions, so everyone was giving theres. Just like you are.
ETA: I feel most everyone is writing off this person/owner/renter just because she doesn't have a reason for not spaying her female. I don't see the big deal. I think the OP could be shoving off a potentially good renter/dog owner for one thing. Maybe I'm taking it the wrong way?
ETA: I feel most everyone is writing off this person/owner/renter just because she doesn't have a reason for not spaying her female. I don't see the big deal. I think the OP could be shoving off a potentially good renter/dog owner for one thing. Maybe I'm taking it the wrong way?
I guess I don't see how if a landlord is up front with their pet policy how it can be "unfair" really. I think it's fantastic that ANY landlord allows pets. They are messy. They destroy things. They can pose insurance problems. We have had some sort of pet restriction anywhere we have rented--no dogs in the first apartment and cats must be declawed, pets must be fixed in the second apartment, etc. Heck, having a bully breed it is VERY hard to find a rental. i don't think it's necessarily unfair of the landlords though (frustrating, but not unfair). What I find unfair is all the morons that allow their dogs to bark/dig/chew/pee/reproduce/scare the neighbors with aggressive behavior, etc, ruining for those that ARE responsible.
As someone who rents with dogs, I am grateful to be able to rent at all. If the person does not want to spay her dog to rent the property, fine and understandable, but then she is free to locate another rental property. Just as I did when I applied to rent somewhere and discovered they wanted any dogs on the property to live outside. There are all sorts of rules at various rental properties when you want to have pets..breed restrictions, no cats, no large dogs, etc...pet owning renters just have to find one that suits them
So when people ask you why your dog is intact, you say, "I dunno."?
I mean, I'm with ya, my next dog will stay intact for a long time, probably well past adulthood. But I have reasons for that - which don't involve breeding or showing - that I could list out.
On the other hand.... I had my current dog and cat both spayed, and their surgeries were actually relatively high-risk. Say you asked me why I put them through that, and I answered that I really had no reason. Doesn't that make me irresponsible?
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I mean, I'm with ya, my next dog will stay intact for a long time, probably well past adulthood. But I have reasons for that - which don't involve breeding or showing - that I could list out.
On the other hand.... I had my current dog and cat both spayed, and their surgeries were actually relatively high-risk. Say you asked me why I put them through that, and I answered that I really had no reason. Doesn't that make me irresponsible?
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not directed at me, but now that steve's physically mature, my only reason for not neutering him would be "because i don't want to". now he's getting neutered next month because of his retained testicle. that's the only reason i have *to* do it.
well, no. because that's the cultural norm. all pets must be spayed and neutered!!
i've gotta say, owning pit bulls? it makes me question a whole lot of stereotypes.
well, no. because that's the cultural norm. all pets must be spayed and neutered!!
i've gotta say, owning pit bulls? it makes me question a whole lot of stereotypes.
I think that's a valid reason for not doing it, because you don't want to. There are risks involved in the surgery, not to mention the pain that the dog is put through. Plus it's expensive. These are all valid reasons not to do it, and I would not consider someone with these reasons to be irresponsible.
It's way different than having no reason at all.
It's way different than having no reason at all.
My first apartment had very strict pet rules. One of those was that dogs must be over a year and fixed. I knew about it beforehand so I don't see how it would be 'unfair'. They also had a strict 20 lb size limit and limits on breeds. I don't think any of the policies is 'unfair' because when you rent, it is ultimately going to come down to the landlord's comfort zone and many times insurance issues too. If you don't like the policy enough, then don't rent there. It's rare enough these days to just find a place that will even take a dog at all.
The bottom line is as a pet owner and a renter, dogs WILL be a hassle to rent with. Just having one small dog is going to limit you, having multiple dogs limits you more, having large dogs limits you even more, having certain breeds limits you probably the most, having intact dogs limits you even more....
As a pet owner, renting just takes more work. It's not my property. I don't get to make the rules.
The bottom line is as a pet owner and a renter, dogs WILL be a hassle to rent with. Just having one small dog is going to limit you, having multiple dogs limits you more, having large dogs limits you even more, having certain breeds limits you probably the most, having intact dogs limits you even more....
As a pet owner, renting just takes more work. It's not my property. I don't get to make the rules.
Those of you who don't want to spay or neuter your dog, and don't really have a reason other than you don't want to, answer me this: would you do it if you couldn't find any other place to live and your landlord required it? I'm just curious.
I appreciate all your responses.
Also, Paige, I definitely wouldn't mind a dog left out if they weren't huge barkers or yard destroyers. In fact, I leave my dogs out in the yard for 1-2 hours at a time sometimes when I go grocery shopping or something. I feel ok with it because, besides trusting all my adjacent neighbors, my dogs don't bark too badly.
I guess the long and short of it is that I don't want some irresponsible dog owner living in my apartment. Probably all of my "requirements" could be let go if someone simply showed me they were responsible. In fact, I would probably rent to most chazzers, so if any of you need a place to live in Ohio, I might even waive your pet deposit
I appreciate all your responses.
Also, Paige, I definitely wouldn't mind a dog left out if they weren't huge barkers or yard destroyers. In fact, I leave my dogs out in the yard for 1-2 hours at a time sometimes when I go grocery shopping or something. I feel ok with it because, besides trusting all my adjacent neighbors, my dogs don't bark too badly.
I guess the long and short of it is that I don't want some irresponsible dog owner living in my apartment. Probably all of my "requirements" could be let go if someone simply showed me they were responsible. In fact, I would probably rent to most chazzers, so if any of you need a place to live in Ohio, I might even waive your pet deposit
Those of you who don't want to spay or neuter your dog, and don't really have a reason other than you don't want to, answer me this: would you do it if you couldn't find any other place to live and your landlord required it? I'm just curious.