I'M Back! Scary story though...

[Roxy's CD]

So, yes, I finally have stupid dial up internet hooked up here. It was a mad hassle, but it's hooked up and working. But I do have a scary story... a very scary story...

It was a bit of a coincidence, because the last time I came here, one of the threads I read and responded to, was regarding getting attacked. Something that had happened twice to many times at our new neighborhood.

Well not even a week later, last Wednesday at Roxy's lesson... she was full out attacked by a staffy. And I mean full out... I was absolutely terrified. The staff was off leash doing some dumbell work, the rest of us were sitting, dogs on leash. He scooted past his owner and came running towards us tail wagging. At first my reaction was, oh no! Roxy's going to bite him! Then when I realized she was pretty nervous at the fact that another dog was close to her at school which never happens, I held her head up by the leash, and waited for the other dogs owner to collect her dog. Since I had her head by the leash, she just tilted it down to sniff the dog, who was around her hoo-hoo sniffing. Next thing I know the dogs on her neck.

I get up, pulling Roxy with me, thinking, the dog just snapped at her, didn't make contact just a correction... We'll move so by the time he thinks about biting her we're gone. Until I realized her WAS STILL on her neck!

I know I shouldn't have, but I put my hand down to push his head off of Roxy. This is when I started screaming... When I pushed his head, his head did move, but with ROXY'S NECK! Before I knew what had happened, my trainer had come up, grabbed the leash from me, and ran yanking Roxy along with her. The dog let go...

She appeared fine, just a few little tiny puncture holes, but now I'm a bit worried they've become infected so she'll be off to the vet's tomorrow. But all in all, it could've been a heck of a lot worse. She seemed fine this week at school, a little nervous when the other dog was behind us, but she calmed down through out the lesson.

So, that's my terrifying story, of getting attacked once again!

 

[Zoom]

Ooh, that would be scary! I'm glad Roxy wasn't hurt worse and that it didn't escalate any more.

 

[jess2416]

OMG :yikes: :yikes: that is scary....Im glad everyone is OK.....

 

[Roxy's CD]

Well, the reason we all suspect it didn't escalate was because Roxy just stood there, with a 50lb dog hanging and shaking of her neck. I guess and my trainer guesses that she reacted that way she did because for the past year or so, everytime we go to school she's been taught to ignore other dogs, to not pay any attention to them...

At first I thought, why isn't she fighting back? Fight Roxy!?!? Than after I thanked my lucky stars she reacted just the way she did. Otherwise she could've been seriously injured.

 

[Toller_08]

That's awful! Poor Roxy (and you!). It's great that she reacted the way she did. If she hadn't, it could've been a whole lot worse. I'm very glad nobody was injured badly!

 

[tessa_s212]

I hoep something is being done about that dog. It is not safe.. dogs like that should not be encouraging the already horrible opinion of these dogs.

 

[Roxy's CD]

Actually, no Tessa. Well, now the owner, who may I say was absolutely horrified at what her dog had done, and apologized profusely, has definitely changed her tune though. Last lesson she was super careful and did not allow the dog off leash at all. He does have his CD.

Seeing as there wasn't a whole lot of damage done, when there could've been, I'm beginning to believe that perhaps it was just a very harsh correction. He could've chomped down and torn flesh, but he didn't. He held on just tight enough, but not tight enough to actually rip and tear flesh.

It was definitely a wake up call for the owner, and as well myself. I realized how many times during our advanced classes I had become lax, and allowed my dog to sniff, when I now realize how quickly something can happen. Even in an advanced class with a dog's that are titled in obedience and been going to classes for years.

It was very scary, and could've been a lot worse. But I don't wish anything upon the owner or dog. Roxy wasnt' terribly injured, or scarred mentally. The owner was NOT indifferent and I'm sure she'll change the way she handles her dog.

 

[lakotasong]

Happy to see you back on the forum and glad that Roxy wasn't injured further. Best wishes for a speedy recovery for what injuries she does have!

 

[RD]

:-/ Poor Roxy, but what a good girl for not reacting! Glad she is okay. I'm glad that the owner isn't taking this lightly, either.

Good to see you back, btw! I missed seeing your posts.

 

[SummerRiot]

FINALLY!! Ya jerk!! Glad your back!

My gawd.. poor Roxy!! She just can't get a break..
Let us all know how she goes at the vets office!

Glad your FINALLY back on!!

 

[bubbatd]

So glad more damage wasn't done !!!!

 

[Roxy's CD]

Yes, I am back jerk face! ROFL

I'll be taking her in first thing tomorrow morning. My vet's already aware of the situation and she mentioned to my trainer that she'll probably put her on some sort of antibiotic.

I'm probably just LOOKING for things to be wrong, but she has an awful lot of dandruff, some scabs and some lumps that are hot. My vet told me before that dandruff, with Roxy, could very well be a sign of infection.

As I said, tomorrow I'll post how the vet's visit goes, and I've got some great working vids of both of my kiddies too

 

[casablanca1]

Seeing as there wasn't a whole lot of damage done, when there could've been, I'm beginning to believe that perhaps it was just a very harsh correction. He could've chomped down and torn flesh, but he didn't. He held on just tight enough, but not tight enough to actually rip and tear flesh.

I'm glad nobody was seriously hurt. I don't mean to be a pain, but I was curious how the other dog could have been giving a correction, as it sounds as if your dog was under pretty tight control and did nothing more abrasive than look down and sniff a little. Doing a full-fledged neck hang is an extreme reaction for a sniff. Again, not meaning to be snippy and of course you were there and have a better idea of what happened than I do. I just thought that sounded a little weird. Glad your dog is ok.

 

[misticaleclipse]

I am so glad it did not escalate into a huge fight. It seems you all handled it well.

That being said, I would make the other dogs owner pay for my vet bill for this. I know if my dog caused damage to another dog I would pay for it. (The same as if I had a child who broke someones window)

 

[Roxy's CD]

casablanca- That wasn't snippy!

I guess the idea of it being a harsh correction popped into my head first off, because it was a male on female scuffle. Combined with the fact that he was sniffing at her hoo hoo, completely fine, tail wagging when he approached us. Also the way it happened, Roxy was in a down. When he ran at us, she scooted up into a sit, she's much larger than him so when he was sniffing her hoo hoo, you couldn't even really see his head, I guess you could say she was towering over him.

At first, because Roxy was more worried about getting a correction from me, she wouldn't even look at him. A few seconds later, she obviously decided to reluctuantly check out this dog that was all over her. The other dog couldn't see anything, so I believe Roxy surprised him when she tilted her head down, (I had her leash held straight up, so her neck didn't move she just tilted her head down) when she sniffed his back/neck area.

And lastly the reason I believe it was just a harsh correction is the amount of damage done. This dog really had a good hold of her, but I'm sure if he *really* wanted to, he could've easily torn a chunk out of her.

I'm not sure of any of these ideas, it's just what I've come to the conclusion of with my inexperience in dog behaviours.

Also, I don't know if to anyone if it makes a difference, but Roxy had been "staring" him down the whole lesson. When he first arrived she had lunged at him, not growling or snarling, but did move towards him. Not even aggressively, but she wanted to check him out. There was no response from him at the time, but perhaps maybe, I don't know if dogs do this, there was some tension between them the whole lesson.

mistal- She offered last lesson when my trainer advised she should go to the vets. I could very well take her up on that offer I'm sure with no hassle, but to me, bothering her for a few dollars for something that may not turn out to be anything is less of a hassle in my eyes. LOL

 

[misticaleclipse]

mistal- She offered last lesson when my trainer advised she should go to the vets. I could very well take her up on that offer I'm sure with no hassle, but to me, bothering her for a few dollars for something that may not turn out to be anything is less of a hassle in my eyes. LOL

Ah, I guess it depends on your vet and what they charge. Whenever I take Charlie in for any visit it cots 40$ , then plus paying for medication or things on top of that it gets very pricey. For me 40$+ Canadian (50 American) for another dog biting mine is a lot at this point.

 

[Roxy's CD]

We're leaving in about a half an hour for her appointment, and like you said it'll most likely be around $50.

Part of me is worried that it's infected, while the other part says there's nothing wrong and I'm freaking out over nothing!

So I guess that's why I don't really want to take her up on her offer. I mean, what if it's really nothing and I've just over reacted. I don't want to take advantage of her offer yano?

*sigh* I'm sure the worst it can be, is she'll be put on an antibiotic for a few days, plus we'll get a chance to go visit the vet and she doesn't have to get pricked with a needle. LOL

 

[Denaluvscorgis]

Poor Roxy...........how horrible for the both of you!!!!!!:yikes: I'm glad that her injuries weren't any worse. I hope the owner of the other dog will learn a good lesson from this. Give Roxy a hug for us!!! I'm glad that you're back!!

 

[casablanca1]

Oh, I'm glad you're not offended; it can get tricky to say stuff sometimes! I was just a little concerned because you were being WAY more tolerant than I would be of a similar situation, and even a little too tolerant for everyone's good, maybe. Again, trying not to be a jerk here, just floating an idea.

Also, I don't know if to anyone if it makes a difference, but Roxy had been "staring" him down the whole lesson. When he first arrived she had lunged at him, not growling or snarling, but did move towards him. Not even aggressively, but she wanted to check him out. There was no response from him at the time, but perhaps maybe, I don't know if dogs do this, there was some tension between them the whole lesson.

I think that, given this little interplay, the other dog's motives are pretty clear: he came over to start trouble. Unless he was blind, he absolutely noticed her eye-f#cking him, and he knew very well she didn't want him charging toward her and snuffling her nether regions. You kept your dog contained so she couldn't react, but the instant she made any move at all, he reacted violently. Granted, he didn't charge over and simply jump her, but his behavior was not friendly; it was deliberately provocative.

And lastly the reason I believe it was just a harsh correction is the amount of damage done. This dog really had a good hold of her, but I'm sure if he *really* wanted to, he could've easily torn a chunk out of her.

But if you take that into consideration, you also have to consider the flip side of the coin: that if he really wanted to, he could have snarled big and ugly and never put a tooth in her. That would have been the normal reaction to
take for a dog who's maybe a bit startled/spooked by another dog's sudden head motion near his vulnerable neck. Actually biting and then clamping down are very extreme actions to take, and to me, indicates he came over looking for a fight and ready for something more than posturing.

Again, just my opinion and not meant to be overly critical or anything. I'd keep an eye on that dog in class, and not be too understanding to the owner.

 

[Roxy's CD]

Oh, most definitely I'll be keeping an eye on him as well as everyone else in the class my trainer included. Last lesson he was not allowed offleash at all and while she was transferring from her leash to the long line she warned everyone.

I suppose your right, he could've just snarled and shown his teeth, I guess I just imagine how much worse it could've been and am glad that it didn't go down that way.

From what the owner said her dog has been attacked numerous times himself so perhaps that's the reason for his over the top reaction.

I don't know if I'll ever know exactly *why* he reacted the way he did, but I can be glad that Roxy wasn't seriously injured.

We just got back from the vet's now and she is totally fine. The puncture wounds are healing up perfectly and the little lumps I felt were actually muscles My bad. And added bonus my vet didn't charge me anything!