I saw a guy wearing a vick jersey today
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I don't understand why some people want to support a criminal. He plead guilty, after all. I guess football is more important 
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Oh well. You guys will be happy to know that some of the stores around here are donating their vick shirts and jerseys to shelters to be used as bedding for the dogs.
.Oh well. You guys will be happy to know that some of the stores around here are donating their vick shirts and jerseys to shelters to be used as bedding for the dogs.
You obviously aren't watching the Atlanta game right now. TONS and TONS of people wearing #7.
People still wear Jim Brown's number and he sure had his issues off the field. My husband owns a #32 and wears it proudly...as well he should.
People still walk around with Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix on their chests too, and spend money to buy their music and see movies about them too...drug addicts that broke the law every time they bought drugs...what's the difference? that they never ADMITTED it? LOL...that they were never TRIED? Didn't their autopsies tell the story?
Appreciating a person's career in a field of art or sport does not mean you condone everything they did as a person. Appreciating a president's accomplishments doesn't mean you also loved that they owned slaves or beat their wives...
People still wear Jim Brown's number and he sure had his issues off the field. My husband owns a #32 and wears it proudly...as well he should.
People still walk around with Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix on their chests too, and spend money to buy their music and see movies about them too...drug addicts that broke the law every time they bought drugs...what's the difference? that they never ADMITTED it? LOL...that they were never TRIED? Didn't their autopsies tell the story?
Appreciating a person's career in a field of art or sport does not mean you condone everything they did as a person. Appreciating a president's accomplishments doesn't mean you also loved that they owned slaves or beat their wives...
I don't understand why some people want to support a criminal. He plead guilty, after all. I guess football is more important .
Oh well. You guys will be happy to know that some of the stores around here are donating their vick shirts and jerseys to shelters to be used as bedding for the dogs.
.Oh well. You guys will be happy to know that some of the stores around here are donating their vick shirts and jerseys to shelters to be used as bedding for the dogs.
!Hmm. I guess the difference between Hendrix and Michael Vick was that Hendrix didn't torture and brutalise animals for fun. Pretty sure the only living creature he ended up killing was himself.
Sure, Vick admitted it. If he hadn't, he'd be in a lot more trouble. Not hard to see why he took that path. He's not actually genuinely regretful or sorry for what he did - but terribly sorry that he got busted doing it.
Lastly, you do know you're on a DOG site, don't you? A site for people who care for and love dogs?
Sure, Vick admitted it. If he hadn't, he'd be in a lot more trouble. Not hard to see why he took that path. He's not actually genuinely regretful or sorry for what he did - but terribly sorry that he got busted doing it.
Lastly, you do know you're on a DOG site, don't you? A site for people who care for and love dogs?
What people don't see is this- if his "boy" hadn't given that house as his address when he got busted for drugs, the police would have never gone there, never seen what was going on there, and Vick and his buddies would still be running their operation. He'd still be on the football field, still be getting millions from endorsements, and the public would be none the wiser. This went on for 6 years. He doesn't all of a sudden realize he was wrong and apologize. He's apologizing because he got caught.
RubyLove...
I'm aware.... I wasn't aware tho, that being a dog lover negated a person's ability an responsibility to also respect human life?
I personally find it sad that if Vick had killed a person..someone's mother, father, son or daughter....people wouldn't hate him nearly as much. Last I heard it was because people have a say in whether they are murdered or not...who knew? I've never hated anyone I didn't know on a personal level...because I consider hate a pretty strong emotion.
The law is the law, breaking it is breaking it...bad examples are bad examples. Period. As a parent I'd be no more happy about my child idolizing Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, both self destructive drug users, than Michael Vick. My scale is different than yours, and that's why I suppose...we have juries and a court system now. I consider that a good thing.
I'm aware...
. I wasn't aware tho, that being a dog lover negated a person's ability an responsibility to also respect human life?I personally find it sad that if Vick had killed a person..someone's mother, father, son or daughter....people wouldn't hate him nearly as much. Last I heard it was because people have a say in whether they are murdered or not...who knew? I've never hated anyone I didn't know on a personal level...because I consider hate a pretty strong emotion.
The law is the law, breaking it is breaking it...bad examples are bad examples. Period. As a parent I'd be no more happy about my child idolizing Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, both self destructive drug users, than Michael Vick. My scale is different than yours, and that's why I suppose...we have juries and a court system now. I consider that a good thing.
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My old man and I aren't into sports all that much, but the oldest boy is. We were going to buy him a Jake Delhomme jersey (Panther Pride RAWR!!!), until I saw that they were 40 bucks... ON SALE.
I almost fainted when I saw that price, they weren't even official NFL jerseys either, they were imitations!
I almost fainted when I saw that price, they weren't even official NFL jerseys either, they were imitations!
RubyLove...
I'm aware.... I wasn't aware tho, that being a dog lover negated a person's ability an responsibility to also respect human life?
I personally find it sad that if Vick had killed a person..someone's mother, father, son or daughter....people wouldn't hate him nearly as much. Last I heard it was because people have a say in whether they are murdered or not...who knew? I've never hated anyone I didn't know on a personal level...because I consider hate a pretty strong emotion.
The law is the law, breaking it is breaking it...bad examples are bad examples. Period. As a parent I'd be no more happy about my child idolizing Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, both self destructive drug users, than Michael Vick. My scale is different than yours, and that's why I suppose...we have juries and a court system now. I consider that a good thing.
I'm aware...
. I wasn't aware tho, that being a dog lover negated a person's ability an responsibility to also respect human life?I personally find it sad that if Vick had killed a person..someone's mother, father, son or daughter....people wouldn't hate him nearly as much. Last I heard it was because people have a say in whether they are murdered or not...who knew? I've never hated anyone I didn't know on a personal level...because I consider hate a pretty strong emotion.
The law is the law, breaking it is breaking it...bad examples are bad examples. Period. As a parent I'd be no more happy about my child idolizing Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, both self destructive drug users, than Michael Vick. My scale is different than yours, and that's why I suppose...we have juries and a court system now. I consider that a good thing.
Being a dog lover doesn't negate anything - nor does being a famous football star. I find it really hard to believe that people could still be a fan of someone who has admitted guilt to such a thing.
And I have to disagree that `bad examples are bad examples'. When my folks were growing up, Elvis was a bad example. Are you saying that Elvis and Michael Vick are on a par?
And what you say is true - those artists were SELF-destructive. Sure, they're not great examples, but you seem to be suggesting that those guys are on the same level as someone who funded, organised and personally participated in systematic brutality, torture, violence, depravity and murder for six years, and has only stopped because by chance he got found out?
Have you seen photographs and watched videos of what happens to dogs during dogfights? If not, I don't suggest you do, because it will never leave you as long as you live.
I am so tired of hearing people compare this to murder or rape of humans. As if by being outraged at this issue you are somehow making light of these other issues. It's so frustrating.
Let me approach it this way. When someone murders their wife, they have committed a terrible crime. When someone murders their wife after systematically abusing her for years it is a more terrible crime. If somebody organised and funded an operation where wives were produced and enslaved for systematic abuse and torture over a number of years, ending in the violent death of those wives, would that not be the worst crime of all?
Michael Vick did not kill one dog in a fit of rage. He did not even abuse one dog for six years and then kill it. He did this every week, every month, every year, to hundreds of dogs. He bred them specifically for this purpose, and they spent their entire lives from the moment they were born until the moment they were viciously ripped apart in a pit or brutally murdered by Vick himself in abject misery, abuse and suffering.
It is not the victims of the crime here that are necessarily the issue. Whether it be a person or a dog or a cat or a child or a bird or a fish, the fact is that this man had it in him to organise a large operation geared around violence, torture and death (that could have gone on indefinitely) - for FUN. To make MONEY.
Yeah, he's SO on a par with Jimi Hendrix.
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Ruby, if you read the court documents that I read on Vick, it tells a different story.
Apparently, Vick only participated in the killing of EIGHT dogs... not hundreds. I am not defending Vick here, it's still wrong, but... you should get your facts straight before spouting off like that.
Taken from the court document, seen here, it states:
And to me, a criminal is a criminal, whether they do drugs or kill dogs or people, they are still a criminal either way. So yes, he is on par with Jimi Hendrix and Elvis.
Apparently, Vick only participated in the killing of EIGHT dogs... not hundreds. I am not defending Vick here, it's still wrong, but... you should get your facts straight before spouting off like that.
Taken from the court document, seen here, it states:
And to me, a criminal is a criminal, whether they do drugs or kill dogs or people, they are still a criminal either way. So yes, he is on par with Jimi Hendrix and Elvis.
My facts are perfectly straight. I have read all the court documents available and everything else on this case that I can.
Yes, he was indicted for his part in killing eight dogs. HIS operation, the HE funded called Bad Newz Kennels, under whose name HE bred and produced dogs specifically for HIS fighting ring over six years would have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of dogs. But he's not responsible? Do you think his only crimes are the ones outlined in his indictment? That all of a sudden this happened? He admitted to bankrolling this operation for six years. I don't think that all of a sudden dogs started dying a few months ago, and that there were only eight of them. If he hadn't got accidentally busted hundreds more probably would have died before he was caught - if he ever was.
Did you know he's also being investigated for c.ockfighting on the same property?
And if you think someone who steals a loaf of bread from a shop (a criminal) is on the same level as someone like Michael Vick or anyone else who does something like this, then I am saddened by that.
If all criminals were the same, on the same level, then they would all get the same jail sentences for their crimes, wouldn't they? There would be no need for separate charges, indictments or punishments. Everything would be called `crime', not `murder' or `rape' or `theft' or `racketeering'.
But from what you're saying, someone who takes drugs is as bad as someone who rapes a three-year-old - they're both criminals. Righto.
Yes, he was indicted for his part in killing eight dogs. HIS operation, the HE funded called Bad Newz Kennels, under whose name HE bred and produced dogs specifically for HIS fighting ring over six years would have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of dogs. But he's not responsible? Do you think his only crimes are the ones outlined in his indictment? That all of a sudden this happened? He admitted to bankrolling this operation for six years. I don't think that all of a sudden dogs started dying a few months ago, and that there were only eight of them. If he hadn't got accidentally busted hundreds more probably would have died before he was caught - if he ever was.
Did you know he's also being investigated for c.ockfighting on the same property?
And if you think someone who steals a loaf of bread from a shop (a criminal) is on the same level as someone like Michael Vick or anyone else who does something like this, then I am saddened by that.
If all criminals were the same, on the same level, then they would all get the same jail sentences for their crimes, wouldn't they? There would be no need for separate charges, indictments or punishments. Everything would be called `crime', not `murder' or `rape' or `theft' or `racketeering'.
But from what you're saying, someone who takes drugs is as bad as someone who rapes a three-year-old - they're both criminals. Righto.
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Ruby thank you for saying what you said.
My favorite band is NOFX. They are rude, they are drunk, they are high. Not exactly good role models, but not bad people. If one of them got arrested tomorrow for smoking pot I wouldn't blink an eye. BUT if one of them was arrested and charged with even attending a dog fight, nevermind what Vick did, I would absolutely no longer even be mentioning their name. **** their music and the CD it rode in on.
By doing what Vick did he has completely negated ANYTHING that he ever did on the field. Though I believe in staying out of the personal lives of famous people, when that personal life includes killing and torturing anything or anyone, which is really just the basic level of decency, then they do not deserve to be held in high regards for anything else that they had done in their lives. He did it to himself. He's the one who has made anything he ever did on the field a joke. He's the one that has made himself worthless.
And yes, I do believe that anyone who tortures and kills any living being is worthless.
I'm glad to hear that his shirts are going to do some good for animals. That is fabulous to hear.
My favorite band is NOFX. They are rude, they are drunk, they are high. Not exactly good role models, but not bad people. If one of them got arrested tomorrow for smoking pot I wouldn't blink an eye. BUT if one of them was arrested and charged with even attending a dog fight, nevermind what Vick did, I would absolutely no longer even be mentioning their name. **** their music and the CD it rode in on.
By doing what Vick did he has completely negated ANYTHING that he ever did on the field. Though I believe in staying out of the personal lives of famous people, when that personal life includes killing and torturing anything or anyone, which is really just the basic level of decency, then they do not deserve to be held in high regards for anything else that they had done in their lives. He did it to himself. He's the one who has made anything he ever did on the field a joke. He's the one that has made himself worthless.
And yes, I do believe that anyone who tortures and kills any living being is worthless.
I'm glad to hear that his shirts are going to do some good for animals. That is fabulous to hear.