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You're kidding right? You think that more oil/coal refineries are the answer? These are both non renewable resources to invest more than the billions we invest already would be foolish. I would rather have gas hit $10 a gallon and have the auto industry and the government using their billions to come up with "OTHER" solutions than build more air polluting refineries that are in the end futile.....
Why would I kid about something this important? The refineries today are dated and we need new ones to get the supply to meet the demand, and newwer plants would be better for the environment. Currently hybrids arent even a bandaid, yould do more by buying a Hummer Linky. And like Puck said gas at $10 a gallon would cripple this country. Waiting on new technology and not doing anything to further our current technology is foolish.

Native corperations are working for a wind farm to tie into our system. Other companies are looking at a trial tidal generator. Those are years away from being meaningful, and Im not sure a nuclear reactor is right for a earthquake prone region.
 
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How come all of the european countries who are paying the equivalent of around $8 a gallon are still surviving? Why aren't they imploding?
Because most of the cost of gas there is due to taxes, and Europes love of socialist programs. Also 40% of vehichles there are diesel, in France diesel cars are taxed less.

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Renee , I'm with you . This may be the first time I haven't voted . So sad !!!
 
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Why do i like Hilary and what does she stand for that i stand for?

Healthcare. She wants to make it harder for insurance companies to drop clients, and harder to deny someone. She wants to give tax cuts to small businesses who provide benefits for their employees.
All I have seen from her is, like with vaccines, she wants a single government pay system, you got a link to show otherwise?

she wants to create more jobs, particularly for the middle class.
How? It is not the governments job to create jobs, more government jobs means more taxes and enslaves us even more.

Political leaders throughout the world respect Hilary. She could bring respect back to America, the way, in my opinion, Bush and every other corrupt criminal in this country has made us look like complete asses. While the Bush administration is so focused on terrorism, and like to say what kind of homeland security they're providing, i don't think they're doing anything to prevent terrorist attacks. In my opinion, if Bush had four more years in office, we would be attacked on our own soil.
Why would the rest of the world respect Hillary? What has she accomplished? We havent been attacked since 9/11, how do you come to your conclusion? We where attacked at least once on our own soil under her husband and he did nothing, and that precipitated the following attack.

I like her stance on Iraq. At 17 going on 18 years old, i see friends and friends of friends, and family members dying, getting injured, or going crazy from being in Iraq all the time.
However, i'm NOT for just pulling out and leaving Iraq as a mess. What we're doing now is NOT fixing Iraq. Hilary wants to remove our troops, but she also wants to be sure the Iraqi citizens are capeable of continuing to heal their country. She wants to give supplies and funds to both the government and non-government groups in order to rebuild, without us physically interfering. I think she can clean up the mess the war has caused and prevent 90% of the foreign muslim population from despising our country.

among other reasons...i may type more later.
Leaving Iraq without Iraq being in controll of all 18 states, not 8 out of 18, would lead to bloodshed the likes we havent seen since Pol Pot or Stalin. Even if there isnt mass killings many would starve the same way many Ethiopians did in the 80s. 90% of the muslims do not despise the USA only 1% do, 1% of 1.2 billion is 10,000,000 if my math is right.

Guliani...i don't think anyone here has said they're voting for him, but anyway...he has got to be the most corrupt man whose lived during my short lifetime. If anyone, anyone, thinks Robinson is supporting him just because, and not because Guliani is pouring money into his lap...get your head checked. Guliani also likes to say how great he handled 9/11, but from what i've heard, he didn't do anything during that time. Any rescue workers i know in NYC said they had to hold everything together and HATE Guliani more and more every time he mentions 9/11.
9/11 was the best thing to happen to Guliani. I like you hope it dosent stick.

I'm all for the right to bear arms...but Ron Paul's taking it way, way too far. From what i understand, Hilary doesn't want the right to bear arms to completely disapear, she just wants stricter laws. With all these schools shootings, you wonder, why are these 14 year old kids owning guns? Doesn't make sense. I understand the argument that taking away the right to bear arms is the first step in the government completely taking over, but i really, really don't think that's Hilary's intentions.
What is her posistion on full auto firearms for adults 21 or older? If parents feels their child should own a firearm at age 5, Im fine with that.

Obama seems like a bit of a hypocrit. I think he'll say whatever he needs to say in order to get into office.
Honestly, while I do not like him, he is more qualified to run this country that Hillary is.
 

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All I have seen from her is, like with vaccines, she wants a single government pay system, you got a link to show otherwise?
her SCHIP provides coverage for 6 million children. I know a lot of people are here are against Medicaid and all that jazz, but i honestly don't get it.

16% of the population doesn't have health insurance. Hilary's plan is to adjust the cost of health insurance depending on how much you make. Insurance companies can't drop you as easily, and can't deny you just because of a medical problem.

My mother used the same auto insurance for...let's see....32 years. She paid every single bill on time, and NEVER got into a car accident.

She paid a bill a couple of hours late, and they dropped her. Eventually she got them to change their minds about dropping her, but they raised it i think 31%? IMO that should be illegal.


How? It is not the governments job to create jobs, more government jobs means more taxes and enslaves us even more.
quite honestly, i don't know how. But, i know that any president in US history who i would say benefitted this country, has created jobs. They don't have to be government jobs. In my opinion it's ridiculous beyond all belief anyone in the top 5 financial percent of this country doesn't pay as much in taxes? Shouldn't they pay more?!? Congrats to them for being sucessful and making a good living, but no one needs as much money as H. Lee Scott (CEO of Wal Mart). Especially not when mothers of four kids are working for 6$ an hour in his stores.

She also wants to better the education system, which will A) Create more jobs, and B) allow students to get better jobs in the future.


Why would the rest of the world respect Hillary? What has she accomplished? We havent been attacked since 9/11, how do you come to your conclusion? We where attacked at least once on our own soil under her husband and he did nothing, and that precipitated the following attack.
again, i don't know why, but they do. It's just a fact. Maybe because she's a strong, independant, highly intelligent woman who knows how to speak to people? When she was first lady, she met a lot of people around the world, and 90% of foreign leaders who've met her, respect her.

She's promoted peace in Northern Ireland, Israel, and Palestine.

what are you refering to when you say we were attacked under her husband?

Leaving Iraq without Iraq being in controll of all 18 states, not 8 out of 18, would lead to bloodshed the likes we havent seen since Pol Pot or Stalin. Even if there isnt mass killings many would starve the same way many Ethiopians did in the 80s. 90% of the muslims do not despise the USA only 1% do, 1% of 1.2 billion is 10,000,000 if my math is right.
...she does want to put Iraq in control. So many people think she just wants to end the war, but that's definately not true. She wants to get the U.N. much more involved than they are. She wants to help develop peace between the different sects in Iraq. She wants to be sure a civil war will not occur BEFORE we leave.

She wants America and other U.N. countries to provide funding in Iraq, to prevent starvation and other similar problems in Iraq.


9/11 may have been the best thing to happen to Guiliani, but definately not for the right reasons. If he got into office and we were attacked or their was any kind of crisis, we'd be pretty screwed.

What is her posistion on full auto firearms for adults 21 or older? If parents feels their child should own a firearm at age 5, Im fine with that..
That picture MelissaCato posted honestly scares me. Not to say that her son will grow up to shoot people, but in areas where hunting is prominent and more guns are available, gun violence is higher. In most, almost all, school shooting that have occured, THE PARENTS have bought their child a gun. Half those kids had previously been in some sort of therapy or psychiatric help. Having a gun is okay. Giving a suicidal or homicidal kid a gun, isn't.

Hilary doesn't particularly want to change any of the gun laws we have.
She just doesn't want to make it any easier to get guns, or bring them on airplanes (Ron Paul).

Honestly, if Ron Paul won i think i'd move out of country. I know people say that all the time during the election, but i am 100% serious. Moving out-of-country is a possibilty for me in the future anyway, but Ron Paul would definately be the deciding factor.

And, i'd DRIVE. Hell if i'm gonna get on a plane where guns are allowed. I feel safe going into the mall, into school, into an airport, into a movie theater, because i know guns aren't allowed in places like that.
 
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i meant the primaries.
I don't think she gets the nominee, but when looking at the other candidates
she may just may pull it off.

Biden would get ripped apart by a few of those 'racial' comments he has a tendency to throw around. Obama...no chance. Dodd...no chance. I'm not sure if we have even seen the democrat with a legitimate shot to win the nominee. The democratic who steps up to the plate with the platform geared to something other than bashing the current President is the legitimate candidate because you may find the candidate more focused on policy that is good for America...and that is not socialist agenda policy.

I wonder what she wrote in that college thesis and why the university has put it under lock and key. Could it be because it reads more like The Communist Manifesto than something compared to at least democratic principle and thought?

She tells you want to hear all right, but not how she would pay for it. I'll say this, if she does get in and the barrel of oil doesn't come tumbling down dramatically coinciding with her taxes increases, the middle class is in big trouble. At the end of the week I can barely rub two nickles together from my paycheck as is now, I can't imagine what it would be like then. Maybe she'll be rubbing elbows with the Hugo guy down south, picking up some public policy tips and great deals on a barrel of oil all at the same time!
 

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That picture MelissaCato posted honestly scares me. Not to say that her son will grow up to shoot people, but in areas where hunting is prominent and more guns are available, gun violence is higher. In most, almost all, school shooting that have occured, THE PARENTS have bought their child a gun. Half those kids had previously been in some sort of therapy or psychiatric help. Having a gun is okay. Giving a suicidal or homicidal kid a gun, isn't.
Hummmm, why does that picture scare you? I own the mountain, he's my son, does he look like a pit bull? Do you know the age a child can start hunting by laws? Should I wait till that age and hand him a gun and say good luck? Explain to me please.

Another note for you ... what you read about me in these forums is BS and lies ... if your refering to me being of some sort of therapy or psychiatric help
as a parent and my child is homicidal or suicidal as a child your sadly mistaken.

Honestly, if Ron Paul won i think i'd move out of country.
Hummm, interesting. Funny how most people came here because of the Constitution and now your saying your leaving because of it. I find that interesting. And only proves to me you either don't know the power of that piece of paper, or your here to change it.

I hope he wins.
 

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How come all of the european countries who are paying the equivalent of around $8 a gallon are still surviving? Why aren't they imploding?
They pay $8 because of taxes, not because of the root cost of oil. $10 for us means they are paying $20.

I am for more research and devolopment of nuclear power, however the overall danger of it is quite frightening (no one likes to think about thier skin melting off ect...)
Nuclear power is BY FAR the safest form of energy we have. And I mean BY FAR. My father is retired US Army and now a nuclear plant operator. There are fail safes upon fail safes upon fail safes in a nuke plant.

The worst nuke accident here? TMI. Released the same amount of radiaton as leaving your microwave ajar for .25 seconds.

So please spare us the BS scare tactics. You sound like a republican. ;)
 

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We really don't. We don't have a viable source yet. Ethanol won't work in the long run and that's the one we're closest to.
+1 Ethanol is a pipe dream. It takes more energy to make it than it gives in return. SO the only "benefits" are, higher food prices and a few more REALLY rich farmers.
 

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TMI was NOT a meltdown. The core was never in danger.
The accident at the Three Mile Island Unit 2 (TMI-2) nuclear power plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania, on March 28, 1979, was the most serious in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant operating history(1), even though it led to no deaths or injuries to plant workers or members of the nearby community. But it brought about sweeping changes involving emergency response planning, reactor operator training, human factors engineering, radiation protection, and many other areas of nuclear power plant operations. It also caused the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to tighten and heighten its regulatory oversight. Resultant changes in the nuclear power industry and at the NRC had the effect of enhancing safety.
Because adequate cooling was not available, the nuclear fuel overheated to the point at which the zirconium cladding (the long metal tubes which hold the nuclear fuel pellets) ruptured and the fuel pellets began to melt. It was later found that about one-half of the core melted during the early stages of the accident. Although the TMI-2 plant suffered a severe core meltdown, the most dangerous kind of nuclear power accident, it did not produce the worst-case consequences that reactor experts had long feared. In a worst-case accident, the melting of nuclear fuel would lead to a breach of the walls of the containment building and release massive quantities of radiation to the environment.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html
 

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But, i know that any president in US history who i would say benefitted this country, has created jobs.
Explain to us how you think a President 'makes' jobs? Be as specific as possible. Also, by this statement you think el Schrubo is a good President?

In my opinion it's ridiculous beyond all belief anyone in the top 5 financial percent of this country doesn't pay as much in taxes? Shouldn't they pay more?!?
So you are for class warfare then?


She also wants to better the education system, which will A) Create more jobs, and B) allow students to get better jobs in the future.
Swell... HOW? And how does better education MAKE more jobs? I see it making people more qualified for jobs, but how does it create them?

(For the record, I am not trying to put the pins to you, I am trying to get you to think this stuff out. Because sooner or later you may notice a central theme to Hillary's platform.)

Not to say that her son will grow up to shoot people, but in areas where hunting is prominent and more guns are available, gun violence is higher. In most, almost all, school shooting that have occured, THE PARENTS have bought their child a gun. Half those kids had previously been in some sort of therapy or psychiatric help. Having a gun is okay. Giving a suicidal or homicidal kid a gun, isn't.
You got some links to back this BS up?

Hilary doesn't particularly want to change any of the gun laws we have.
Uh huh....

Honestly, if Ron Paul won i think i'd move out of country. I know people say that all the time during the election, but i am 100% serious. Moving out-of-country is a possibilty for me in the future anyway, but Ron Paul would definately be the deciding factor.
Yes, socialists SHOULD be afraid of a truly free country.

And, i'd DRIVE. Hell if i'm gonna get on a plane where guns are allowed. I feel safe going into the mall, into school, into an airport, into a movie theater, because i know guns aren't allowed in places like that.
What if it was me? Would you feel unsafe if it wsa me with the gun? and are you SURE about not being allowed to carry in a mall, movie theaters etc??? I have carried at the mall and at movie theaters before. Heck, I have carried at the non-secure parts of airports before.
 

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Interesting read. Those details have changed since the last time I read into it.

The last I understood it, the core was reaching meltdown and a operator released some steam, shich was the only radiation release.

Hmmm....


But you know what is more scary to me that a meltdown at TMI? The fact that TMI is in the direct approach path for Harrisburg Airport. LOL I remember flying in there many times and just thinking about that.
 

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Originally Posted by girlbuffalo1 View Post
How come all of the european countries who are paying the equivalent of around $8 a gallon are still surviving? Why aren't they imploding?
They pay $8 because of taxes, not because of the root cost of oil. $10 for us means they are paying $20.
They are surviving, but a lot of people here can't aford to drive at the moment because of the high gas prices. Combine that with a stiking public transport system and you've got yourself a huge mess. It's gotten a bit more expensive since the tax raise from 16% to 19% in January, but they have risen dramatically since then. Diesel for example costs 1,25 Euro a LITER, for diesel, others cost even more. In the summer of 05, Diesel cost 1,05 Euro a liter. The cost has risen because of the root cost of oil.
 

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