I was very disappointed when I wanted to buy a female to keep my line going and went to Bubba's line . They wanted co-ownership and if I didn't want to show , the dog would be fixed . I understand and appreciated their concern ..... they had Championship Dogs ( Meadow Pond ) . To them I could have been a BYB wanting to use their Kennel name ....They bred everything I love in a Golden . Anyway , no more Hawthorn Hill goldens and I've got my Ollie !