horse people?

[Dekka]

Thats awesome!! He is very stunning. I personally love the look of the 'pinto' fresians. But they are equiv of a draft cross. Here is a pic of one of my horses. I keep him around because he is big (I am not small either) and when I am done school I am going to join the huntclub again, and he is the perfect hunter. (his background is unknown, but by the amount of bone he has and his laid back temperament I would say he is 1/4 draft)

Hes a decent sized boy at 16.2hh. Not unwieldy (I had a 17.2 thoroughbred, now that was too tall lol)just nice and solid.

edited to add thats a student on him, not me lol.

 

[Dekka]

Boston>>I have found the GOOD drafts (ie well bred etc etc) are very much temperment wise like warmbloods (particularly hannovarians lol) But they cannot, for the most part ride like a warmblood. Their shoulders are far to heavy, and they have been bred to lean, not to carry. But man are they willing mounts.

 

[MelissaCato]

Thats awesome!! He is very stunning. I personally love the look of the 'pinto' fresians. But they are equiv of a draft cross. Here is a pic of one of my horses. I keep him around because he is big (I am not small either) and when I am done school I am going to join the huntclub again, and he is the perfect hunter. (his background is unknown, but by the amount of bone he has and his laid back temperament I would say he is 1/4 draft)

Hes a decent sized boy at 16.2hh. Not unwieldy (I had a 17.2 thoroughbred, now that was too tall lol)just nice and solid.

edited to add thats a student on him, not me lol.

Nice jump .. looks like a TB/Paint cross. The knees don't look good though.

 

[Dekka]

Not if he was showing hunter..and not if I wanted to go A (which I don't) But he did get grand champion his first (and only) time out showing I just want a nice safe field hunter His trot is pretty drafty, when you see him move he doesn't seem like your typical paint TB crosses we have around here. He came from menonite country as a baby, so he will likely be a mix of light draft and goodness knows what.

 

[MelissaCato]

Not if he was showing hunter..and not if I wanted to go A (which I don't) But he did get grand champion his first (and only) time out showing I just want a nice safe field hunter His trot is pretty drafty, when you see him move he doesn't seem like your typical paint TB crosses we have around here. He came from menonite country as a baby, so he will likely be a mix of light draft and goodness knows what.

What do you mean

Not if he was showing hunter

What's that mean? He has bad knees in both the jump picture and last pix ... from the jump pix I'd assume both knees have chips to the inner (maybe not and he's just balancing himself) and the last picture proves on the left, he tiptoes from the toe to the heel at a mounted walk.

What with all the not not not's ... your horse has bad knees from whenever to forever. Why put a rider on him?

Ohhh wait ... I guess that's only cruel in the Racing Industry.

edit to add .... and your a Judge???? Paleeeeseeee.

 

[BostonBanker]

The pinto is very cute! I will say, as much as I dislike the drafts and 1/2 drafts, I did have a friend with a really super 1/4 clyde x 3/4 TB who she took to FEI dressage, and who I would have sacrificed a child to own.

Boston>>I have found the GOOD drafts (ie well bred etc etc) are very much temperment wise like warmbloods (particularly hannovarians lol)

SACRILEGE! :lol-sign:. Okay, so Hanoverians can be a bit dense sometimes too, especially the older-style ones. The modern warmbloods are a whole different species.

I don't know exactly what it is about drafts. Part of it is just a complete lack of reactivity - nice when you want to do something 'spooky' with them, but a real pain in the neck for handling. I don't like pushy horses or ones that get in your space (funny, my same reasons for not liking labs), and that is what I see in drafts. When I walk into my horse's stall, he politely backs up. If I wave a hand at his hindquarters, he moves them over. If I'm walking and I bump into him, he gives way, not me. Every one of the drafts I've dealt with practically needed a 2x4 between the eyes to get them to move. I'd accept that it is partially training, but I think it is also a lot of personality. All the things that make them great at pulling heavy wagons and being steady work horses are traits that I dislike in a horse. I don't think you'd want a reactive horse dragging a load of lumber through the woods.

One of the "American Warmbloods" at our barn (whose owner is very aware that what she owns is a paint/draft cross) is like that. The owner describes it as "having a high tolerance for stimuli". That cracks me up every time. You could drop a bomb on his head, and he'd barely blink.

To each their own, right? I'll never own a draft or draft cross 'cuz they'd make me crazy, just like I'll never own a lab or a bloodhound because they would drive me nuts.

 

[FoxyWench]

lol, thats what i LOVE in drafts, they may be a little "dopey" but boy are they sweet natured and NEVER question a job, you tell em to go and they go...(which for a beginner is perfect lol) and they have a little get up and go when you get em running lol.
and they are generally gentler and sweeter than anything ive ever met...

some people like sports cars others like work trucks was the way it was explained to me...

im looking for a slow steady dependable horse on which to meander around a larger property and occasionally open up for a good run...
ive seen some warmbloods that just simply seem highstrung, probably because im so used to the laidback nature of the drafters,

i think what im going to have to do is simply get around horses as much as possible over the next few years and i figure eventually one will pick me...
and he is a very pretty horse dekka...

for any of the pintos or painted horses i think black and white is the most stunning combo though...id love a black and white.
ill probably end up with a draft or draft cross, but only time will tell.

 

[bubbatd]

MC ... maybe this wasn't a perfect jump , but I sure don't see knee faults ! Many times our horses didn't " tuck " well . Pretty flashy mount !

 

[Gustav]

Personally I would go Irish Draught... One of the lightest of the draught family, awesome jumpers, good do'ers, little to no feathering so the legs stay cleaner, i've had my boy 8 years now and in those 8 years he has only been lame once *touches wood* and that was due to farrier error, and nothing to do with him.. Can live out happily all year round as long as they have adequate shelter and feed... But I am biased seeing as I own one!!

Here he is.. Ok, he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed! LOL!

Cavan.. Aka: St. Augustine of Ireland

I can wax lyrical about them for hours, so if you are interested just send me a PM..

I also love Fresians with a passion, I had one as a teenager, and I can honestly say that at times, they can be less than accomodating to put it politely!! They have a stubborn streak, and if you give them an inch, they tend to walk all over you. I certainly wouldn't say that they were a good first horse choice!

 

[BostonBanker]

Oooh, I wasn't really thinking Irish Draft. I tend to think of them as closer to riding horses than actual draft. I agree, they are really wonderful horses, and as solid as rocks! Also much more athletic than a "normal" draft, in case you ever do want to do more with them.

Cavan is gorgeous!

 

[MelissaCato]

MC ... maybe this wasn't a perfect jump , but I sure don't see knee faults ! Many times our horses didn't " tuck " well . Pretty flashy mount !

You don't see knee faults because of your love 4 the poster. That horse has bad knees and it's clear as the blue sky. It's like seeing an emaciated dog in a picture and telling me it's not perfect conformation .

 

[Gustav]

Oooh, I wasn't really thinking Irish Draft. I tend to think of them as closer to riding horses than actual draft. I agree, they are really wonderful horses, and as solid as rocks! Also much more athletic than a "normal" draft, in case you ever do want to do more with them.

Cavan is gorgeous!

Hehe.. Thanks. He's my "Coeur D'amour" my baby, my first born child! And he sooooo knows it! LOL!

Watch out for the "King of Diamonds" line though because they tend to have.. Well.. ATTITUDE for want of a better word! :yikes:

And as for the whole knee debate.. Well... It's incredibly hard to judge a horse by a photo alone, he may just appear to be a tiny (and I mean tiny, i've seen FAR FAR worse!!) bit back at the knee in the photo's.. But at the end of the day, he does his job, he gives pleasure to his owner and in my book that is all that counts! You could have the most confirmationally correct horse in the world, but that counts for nothing if you can't ride it! It would only be a real issue for me if the topic of breeding from him was to arise.

At the end of the day, it's horses for courses.. Excuse the pun!

 

[Dekka]

LOL MC what the heck are you talking about? His knees weren't dead even..but he is green. He doesn't have knee chips (have the exrays to prove it) Do you even know what you are looking at? If you want to pick him apart, that if fine. At least pic faults that exist (like really short pasterns, a bit long in the cannon/short in the forarm etc etc)

I find you too funny sometimes. I really don't think you have the experience you claim. Or at least my friends an colleagues who show internationally (in eventing and show jumping) and who manage world class barns, know nothing then compared to you

No one said Peek was going to be a fantastic show horse. I was using him as an example of a large draft cross type that is dead quiet, still athletic enough to jump 4 foot+ and is fairly pretty.

If you would like to continue your very, umm interesting critique of my horse, please PM me. I find your views very entertaining.

LOL Boston..I rode an old style hannovarian Stallion years ago (Gottadanz) man he was as "having a high tolerance for stimuli" as they come. I joked he was like riding a dinosaur, an aid took 3 strides to get from side, to brain, to legs. I think a lot of it is training. I rode a full Percheron mare, who was as light to the aids as the average modern warmblood. Her Piaffe was neat..it was like sitting on a piaffing couch

If I was to get back into showing (dressage) I love the hotter horses. I love the tbs, I want to breed my Irish Tb mare again

to get a foal for me. (I bred her to Amiral..but the colt is too small...Hey Banker, know anyone who wants a fantastic deal on an Amiral son? For those not in the know Amiral was the #1 dressage stallion in the world for a few years when it came to placings and progeny, when he was alive)

But for bombing around the trials, and goofing off nothing beats a horse "having a high tolerance for stimuli" lol

I don't want to ever own a lab either. I think the pushy draft mentality depends a bit on what breed of draft (Ie percherons have a fair amount of arab heritage, and clydes can be thick as bricks lol) and the training.

I have only met 2 irish drafts. Both were imported. One was great, the other was nuts. Not in a spooky way, just had no sense of himself, was the biggest walking vet bill I have ever met.

I some day want a Cleveland Bay

Oldest breed in all of england.

 

[FoxyWench]

beautiful horses, that picture of the irish sitting is just too cute, he looks like a silly puppy lol...


i soooo need to find somewhere local to volunter!

 

[MelissaCato]

Do you even know what you are looking at?

I know exactly what I'm looking at, thanks. So do all the other horseman.
Anyone who doesn't see bad knees .. doesn't know what THEY are LOOKIN' at. Knee's being "uneven" has nothing to do with it.

It's funny though you brought up a "student" rider on him. I can see why.
If I was to ride your horse I would break him down in an hour because of his knees. Maybe you should post your pictures on a Racing Forum and pop some corn .... :lol-sign:

Anyone can ride a lame horse and the horse willing to do anything .. it's a question of ethics and greed.

I'd love to see the x-rays ... but I don't have to.. know better.

grand champion his first (and only) time out showing

....did you say "hunter" ??? and now the horse is "green" ????

:lol-sign: I find you tooooooooo funny too.

 

[MelissaCato]

I'm going to do something constuctive now... but before I go, I want to apologize for my sudden outburst. I just had too. If it was a dog related issue I'm sure some of you would agree.
Race/Endurance horses are my business, life, job and income.
You can zip my lip with dogs .. but never horses.

 

[Dekka]

LOL the pic is old..early last summer. He showed once last year (green is a division but you already knew that right )

Sorry not into racing. And funny how no vets ever commented on his knees. I am glad you don't ride my horse though. If I (a large person) can field hunt such a horse and keep them sound, I hate to think of what you would do with him!

I don't do racing, or endurance. This horse will never do either. But really he has large conformation issues (lol but not his knees) that would not allow him to be successfull in either)

AND this thread wasn't about racing or endurace. It was about someone wanting a big drafty safe horse to pleasure ride. Peek is an awesome example of that

 

[Angel Chicken]

MC, I have a question...

Why do you feel the need to pick apart someone's posts?

We all can tell from your gibberish that you know zilch.

This is coming from someone who has barrel raced, broke, trained, and raised horses. Her horse is fine. I can look at him and tell his kness aren't bad at all. If I hopped on him and (Alright now, I know y'all are going to think this is perverted ) rode him hard for a full day, his knees would be fine. The most he'd be is a little bit tired.

So please, quit being a bitch. It really makes you look like an asshat.

 

[MelissaCato]

Sorry not into racing.

You don't have to be ... I am and I know what lame is. And so do most horseman.

Chicken .... I don't like to nit pick ... I rarely ever do .. maybe you should reread this thread and see who nit picked who first. She wanted pissy .. she got it.

That's the sad thing about all these forums where people form a "click" ...
all that "click" does is BS people into believing what they want.

Your horse shouldn't be used for hunter or jumper, and with the right student hot ride .. it's an accident waiting to happen. Light trail maybe, but that's all.

 

[FoxyWench]

i think peek is stunning and perosnally feel if vets and xrays say his knees are fine then whats the big problem?


mc i do understand why you dont like the drafties now if your into the racers...drafters defaintly have a 100% different personality from what i (as a complete beginner) have seen, personally i dont like the personalities of the racing horses...they all seem too highstrung for my liking, but to each theri own.

if dekka says her horse has good knees and has been xrayed and vet ok'd sinply enjoy, none of noone has any rights (or basis) to call anyoen a lyer without solid proof and pictures posted online are not solid proof due to the way photographs can take something out of context and enhance things that arnt realy there...

ill use my dog for an example, i took a picture of ruby, she looks positivly emaciated in the position she was standing, however i know and looking at her in other pictures and in person, shes fine, shes the perfect weight...so no bashing...

if you think the knees are bad feel free to politly ask, has the horses knees been checked if your worried about its heath...but it did come across as if the moment dekka posted the pic you imediatly picked apart the horses posible faults, despite that not being the point of the post...

dekka was mearly making a point that some draft crosses can be used for more than simple trail riding depite their size and nature.