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I just got sent this Email and thought I should share it ;)

In 1991, I bought a yearling Arab that I was bound and determined I was going to train to be the best competitive trail horse! A good friend of mine, Donna Spencer, said something that has never left my mind. She said "He may look big enough to ride, but his bones are still growing and filling in. Right now, they look like the inside of a chicken bone if you break it open. While it may be very tempting to start him out as a 2 year old, because that is what everyone says you should do, wait until he is at least 4 and those bones have filled in and are strong enough to handle the work you will need him to do 15 years from now". Well, as hard as it was, I listened to her. I ignored all the comments from people saying I was leaving it too late, he would be harder to break the older he got, etc. etc. (I'm sure you must have heard a few of them yourself over the years) and I didn't get on his back until he was 4. Not to say I didn't do lots of leading, ground work, foot handling, etc. I spent hours every day doing those things. But as a 4 year old, he did learn, he wasn't any harder to train than the 2 year olds I had trained (Yep, I did it to!), and to this day, I have a very sound horse that I have put thousands of miles on without one lame day!!! (And, the last long distance ride I did on him, he won 1st place for our weight class and best over all Arab for the day) :) I found this article that was sent to me to be extremely interesting. I hope you do as well and read with an open mind. It is never too late to make a difference, and isn't it worth it if we are doing it for our horses???


This email may be long but please take the time to read it.>>>>>By Robert M. Miller, DVM>>>>The Nation was shocked when Barbaro broke down shortly after leaving the >>gate at the Preakness. I saw the repaired fractures in TIME>>magazine. What I think happened is that the sesamoid bone fractured, a >>common injury. As a result, the fetlock collapses causing the pastern >>bone to explode into multiple fragments, probably with the next stride or >>two.>>>>The last time the general public was exposed to a racetrack tragedy>>like this was when the great filly, Ruffian, fractured; the injury>>eventually resulting in her death.>>The news media focuses on great champions like these, but what most>>people don't realize is that such injuries are relatively common>>occurrences in horse racing.>>Part of the cause is that we have bred athletic power into our racing>>breeds far exceeding what nature requires for the horse to survive in>>its natural environment. All wild horses need to do is outrun a big>>cat. We have selectively bred for speeds that the anatomy of the horse>>cannot always cope with.>>In addition, we train and race them long before they are mature.>>The immature are often capable of spectacular athletic performance.>>Every time I watch an Olympics and I see gymnasts as young as 13, 14>>or 15 years of age, I wince at the thought of the damage I know is>>occurring to some of their bodies. I started a year of gymnastics at>>17 years of age, and I wasn't very good, but I still managed to do>>damage that manifested itself many years later. Fortunately, I was>>drafted into the Army at 18, which ended my gymnastic career.>>>>Half a century ago, when I was cowboying, "colts" were started at four>>years of age or older. Once in a while, one might be started as a>>three-year-old.>>Despite some very hard work, barring accidents, those ranch horses>>were still sound and working into their 20's.>>I'm not opposed to racing. It's a great sport and has motivated>>mankind to produce truly great horse breeds. But I am opposed to any>>practices which contribute to premature crippling of otherwise healthy>>horses.>>>>Some years ago, the annual convention of the American Association of>>Equine Practitioners (A.A.E.P.) was held in Dallas. The same week, the>>national cutting horse futurities were being held in nearby Fort>>Worth. Three colleagues from Sweden told me that they wanted to see>>the cutting horses.>>So, one evening, after the day of scientific lectures had ended, I>>accompanied the three Swedish vets to Fort Worth.>>After watching several horses perform, the senior Swede, a professor>>from the vet school in Upsula, Sweden, said, "This is incredible! It>>must take many years to obtain such performance from a horse.">>"But," I answered, "this is a futurity.">>"I do not understand this word," he said.>>"These are colts," I explained. "These are just three-year-olds. ">>He looked shocked, turned to his companions and explained to them in>>Swedish and then said to me in English, "I have only two comments:>>One, it must take great skill to be able to train a horse to do this>>in so brief a time. And, two, what is happening to their poor legs?">>>>Today, we have all sorts of futurities - reining, cutting, barrel>>racing, etc. I have tried many times to get owners to postpone arduous>>training to give the colt a chance to mature. Most of the time, I was>>ignored.>>The lure of winning something or making some money was too great to>>resist. My strategy when the owner insisted on going ahead with>>training and/or competition that I felt was premature was to say,>>"That's okay. You go ahead. What you are doing is very good for my>>business.">>>>Why is it that the protests against over-using young horses come>>primarily from the people who profit from such abuse - the>>veterinarians? Is it because we best understand the trauma being>>inflicted upon immature skeletons, joints, ligaments and tendons?>>Just as I am not opposed to racing, if properly conducted, I am not>>opposed to horse shows or competitive equine events.>>Horse shows, like all livestock shows, were conceived of long ago to>>"improve the breed". They were designed to demonstrate and reward the>>people who were doing the best job of breeding, of selecting>>bloodstock, and of creating superior bloodlines.>>Unfortunately, human nature, vanity and greed have corrupted the horse>>show industry.>>>>We see grotesque caricatures of the original character of each breed.>>Stock horses, the working ranch breeds, are shown in Western Pleasure>>classes traveling in a manner that would drive a working cowboy crazy.>>With lowered heads, going in a downhill manner, these horses greatly>>magnify the forces placed upon the forelimbs. Once again, good for us>>vets. It produces income, but the horses suffer.>>The wonderful Tennessee Walking Horse is shod and shown in distorted>>gaits that can only be called "grotesque".>>>>If it weren't for the frequent veterinary checks, which are mandatory,>>can you imagine how many endurance racing horses would die because of>>their riders' consuming desire to win? I remember the early endurance>>races.>>Saddlebred, with surgically distorted tails, and gingered anuses, are>>exhibited with the pupils of their eyes dilated with atropine.>>How many people who sincerely consider themselves to be "horse lovers">>wean foals at three months of age, or even earlier, which nature never>>intended?>>>>How many horses, a gregarious species, spend their lives locked in box>>stalls? How many horses in the U.S.A, like so much of our human>>population, are damaged healthwise by excessive nutrition?>>Such abuses exist in ever breed, every discipline, in every equine>>sport. We need to step back and analyze what we are doing.>>One of my clients was a prosperous, educated couple. They were very>>congenial, and they owned three Quarter Horses. One day, they called>>me to come to their home to worm their horses and check them over and>>booster their vaccinations. When I arrived, I found only two horses,>>so I asked where the third one was.>>>>"Oh, he's in training as a reining horse, with ____________ " (a>>successful and notoriously brutal trainer who also happened to be one>>of my clients).>>I said, "Oh, I see.">>Then the wife said, "We know how cruel he is to the horses, but he>>wins!" I never felt the same toward those people, again.>>This same trainer (he's been dead for many years) once said to me,>>"Doc, why can't you guys cut the tails on my horses? Why do you make>>me drive 300 miles round trip to get my tails done?">>He was referring to the illicit surgical paralyzing of the tail,>>common in reining horses so they can't switch their tails. ALL of the>>horses in his barn had their tails cut.>>I said, "Were you ever beaten in a show by a horse that you knew had>>its tail cut?">>"Oh sure," he said. "Lots of times.">>"Well," I told him, "I didn't cut the tail nor did my partners. We>>won't do anything against the association rules.">>This same guy, a world-class competitor, kept every horse in his barn>>on Serpecil, a tranquilizer not approved by FDA for use in horses. I>>have no idea where he got the drug, but somebody was selling it to>>him.>>>>I believe that a conspiracy exists in the horse show industry. The>>trainers are judges, and the judges are trainers. Too often, they>>scratch each others' backs.>>If Western Pleasure horses were shown as they were 50 or 60 years ago,>>a good amateur could turn out a champion. But it takes a real pro to>>produce the freaks seen in today's Western Pleasure classes.>>And, after the horse goes back to the owner from the trainer and is no>>longer winning, it has to go back to the trainer for a "tune-up".>>>>A few days before I wrote this article, I got back from Bishop Mule>>Days, a unique event I attend every year that has no equal anywhere in>>the world. I had the pleasure of seeing Western Pleasure mules that>>WERE NOT "peanut rollers".>>The trend began some years ago, but the mule people balked at it and>>ruled it out. GOOD FOR THEM! You see, to be a mule lover, you REALLY>>gotta love horses!
 
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It's a problem inherent in sports. By any reasonable standard of health and morality, it is crazy to race 3-year-old horses or encourage preteen girls to train seriously as professional athletes. But in athletics (horse or human), the concept of excellence doesn't take into consideration health and morality. The only thing that matters is the result. I think it's sad, of course, what happens to racehorses and teenage gymnasts, but I think it's impossible to change the athletic culture without radically re-defining what it means to excel in sports.
 

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As casa said, it's a problem in almost everything, all sports, that we humans take far too seriously.

I've seen a few horses that had their tails mutilated, so they can't swish it during confirmation show/western. It appears to be more of a western thing though than an english. You darn western riders! *shakes fist* LMAO

I've never understood THB racing. Why they start them out so young. Breaking them at a year and a half, racing them at two, seriously campaigning them at three, four and retiring them at the early age of 5.

In show jumping a horse is considered in their prime at the age of 12-13.

I've broke horses at 2, 2 and a half. But nothing much. Walk/trot. No jumping whatsoever. Mostly working on bends, soft mouths, attention to leg aides. All of which can be done at the walk.

I've broken older horses, 4, 5 and older. And I didn't find it any harder. As long as a lot of ground work is done through all of those years you'll have a polite, well mannered horse to work with once you decide to break it.

A lot of lameness issues now have to do with breeding, early breaking isn't the only devil. Breeding for soundness is definitely not the first thing on breeders minds now a days. Insanely enough, with my QH's lines, the idea was to breed, tall, thick new style QH's with tiny feet. Why? Only God knows why.

I was told by vet after vet that my horse had navicular, he was constantly lame, had terrible feet etc. We finally took the x-rays and that was not the problem. We flew in a farrier from Scotland, the next idea was he had white lyme disease in his hooves, he fixed him up. He had to have 6 months off, and he's never been lame a day since.

When Barbero broke down I was not surprised. How can you be? They work those young horses so hard, as mentioned in the post supplement them to no end... It's sad really..

Thanks for posting it though Jenn. :)
 

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I have seriously never heard of doing whatever to the horse's tails in Western Pleasure - that is horrible.

I show horses in whatever their owner wants me to show them in, no questions asked.... they call me and say "I've got a ____ named ____ that I want you to show in ______, _____ and _____ and I want you to come out here every other day to ____." Currently I've got 3 clients, going on 4, and none of them abuse their horses - well how could they if I'm the one doing everything with them? :p
 

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I've never heard of anything to the extreme in the OP in levels like trillium or even a-circuit. But it's not really my sport that the posts are about.

I excercise rode when I was 16. I saw them breaking horses under 2 years, I saw how much grain and supplements they fed those horses than cooped them up in box stalls for 23 hours out of the day.

It is pretty common around here though to break a horse at 2 or 3. But no barns around here will let you train hard and jump a horse under 5, depending on breed as well.
 

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You can see the article at http://www.robertmmiller.com/andthcaushol.html .

The fame and money which follows sports is appalling and creates situations that are sometimes downright abusive.

Look at how many training methods in dogs and horses involve a level of pain or discomfort. The things I've seen used in training on both species - just so someone could show/win - sickens me. I used to work with 4-H kids and wanted them to understand that winning was not the important thing. Gaining an understanding and bond with the animal was far more important. But even that was undermined by many parents who wanted their kids to bring home the blue.

I was giving demos on my horse at shows, no saddle, bridle or even halter, before "natural horsemanship" became really popular. And even while some people were saying "wow, that's really neat - how do you do it?" they were buying bigger, harsher bits because their horses weren't responding the way they wanted. Instead of gaining an understanding, they wanted to use the shortcut called "force".

I see the same thing in dog training. Instead of truly learning why the dog is acting the way it is and using a logical kind approach, people want to jump right into corrective methods - again, the shortcut called "force". I run into this ALL the time on the German shepherd forum I read. Shepherds are one of those breeds that (overall) live to work with humans and yet people promote use of a shock and prong collars for day-to-day training all the time.

I felt bad for Barbaro when he broke his leg and, given the extent of that injury, I was pretty sure that he was going to go through a lot of pain and still not make it. I hated to see my prediction come true. I didn't want to see him used for breeding. Breeding an animal strictly for the ability to run fast - an animal that also didn't have the structure to maintain soundness under that stress - was doubly wrong to me.

Animal sports are full of cruelty of all sorts.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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"Breaking" or starting as I prefer to call it.. A horse in the UK is never done before 3, well, apart from Racehorses.. But where there is money from gambling, that will never change sadly!

I was shocked and very saddened when I moved to France and found out that horses as young as 2 were being ridden for over an hour a day, just to get a head start on the competition when the poor beast reaches 4. Normally in the UK horses are VERY lightly backed at 3, lunged, and taught basic manners and movements.. And then turned away to mature until 4, we leave them be, this gives both the body and the mind, time to grow. There is no point asking a human baby to do intricate things with their hands or legs because they haven't the capabilities until they are older... I believe it's the same for horses.

I see a lot of aggression directed towards horses every day... As if hitting the poor thing with a stick is going to make it less afraid, or more willing to work for you! *shakes head* It makes me so very sad, and oh so very angry!!!! The desire to win is a human fault which we think the horse shares with us, sadly it doesn't... A horse is a noble and trusted companion who will give you 110% as long as it believes in you.

I went to watch one of my students in a junior Show Jumping competition, the fences weren't high, about 50 cm's as her pony is only rising 5, and just needed an outing for fun.. Nothing serious, I asked her to take her time, and jump calmly and clear, which she did.. And won, but that is beside the point! ;)
There were other children of about 8 or 9, wearing SPURS with absolutley NO idea how to use them correctly, for example I saw one little boy literally lift his legs off the saddle flaps into mid air and ram those spurs down and into the pony's sides!!!! :eek: At the front end the poor ponies are hauled in with American gag snaffles and grackle nosebands, and the kids literally flog their ponies around the course!!
Jumping here is against the clock, so it encourages the kids to whip their ponies into to a frenzy just to get round in the quickest time possible, I was appauled! It was held at a local riding school and a lot of the kids were given permission to compete the school horses, some of those poor ponies did 12 rounds of the same course in the morning, and another 6 rounds of the higher course in the afternoon!!!! Naturally the ponies were tired, so of course what did the kids do? Got bigger whips and longer spurs! Because the pony was being lazy! WTF!

When I VERY loudly voiced my opinion, the so called horse lovers retorted with "They are only school horses" which incensed my fury even more.. I went totally ballistic.. What on earth gives someone the right to think that just because it's a riding school pony it deserves less respect or fair treatment than any other horse?!

Needless to say I shall NEVER go there again, I reported them to our form of animal control, and they said that as the horses are otherwise in good health there wasn't anything they could do! Bloody pen pushers!

Sadly I am in a minority that thinks this sort of behaviour is unacceptable, some people will never change however much you urge them to. You can only lead by example, and if you are following that example at 8 years old it doesn't bode well for the future generation of horse riders does it! It sickens me! But as long as I have two legs, a brain, and a very loud mouth, and I can change one or two persons opinions it has not been all in vain.. Hopefully!

Sorry for the rant!
 
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Only school horses? An animal that vastly outweighs and outpowers his novice rider and is kind enough to not bite/kick/throw/run away with him? Some people don't know quality when they see it.

ed: I reread and thought this might have been a little unclear; my crack about 'some people' is directed at the idiot parents, not Gustav. Just making 100% clear :)
 

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Interesting thread ....most of our horses were off the track , except for EliN's Cal who we broke slowly .
 

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It is, of course, all about the money. Although I ride dressage, I manage a h/j barn, and am shocked by the work that is done with some of the young horses. Three and four year olds jumped 2 - 3 times a week, worked in draw reins for an hour, chased loose around the indoor.... All because a four or five year old doing the green hunters is profitable to sell. Not to mention these young, growing horses are also carrying 200 extra pounds because they need to look right for the shows.

Horses are so darn fragile anyway, I can't imagine why anyone would want to take the risk starting them so young. I got my horse when he was 3 1/2, and he'd had a couple dozen rides walk/trot, and that was it. He didn't see a jump until he was five, and didn't jump consistently until he was almost seven. He grew over an inch between 5 1/2 years and seven. Warmbloods are "babies" for a long time.

We had a great case study at our barn several years ago. Two colts, born about a month apart, who were 3/4 brothers (same sire, dams were mother and daughter). One was sold as a three year old, and started o/f immediately. He was competing in jumper classes at five, and was turned into a rescue, crippled, at seven or eight (he's since found his way to a good home). The other was started at about the same time, but mostly went for hacks out in the fields a couple of times a week. Started real flatwork at four and a half, and was six (I think) when he was sold to a jumper rider. That horse is as sound as a dollar, and ranked quite high in the national standings.
 

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It's customary where I am not to get on an Arabs back before four years of age. Some start at three but only baby steps and light arena work to move forward in ground work. I can't stand how early they race TBs and other breeds.
 

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I wonder why people use force with horses? I've ridden horses a couple of times on trails (I'm a very novice rider, I get scared if they trot!) and those horses responded to the tiniest tug on the reigns, and the tiniest nudge. Using whips and spurs must put horses through an incredible amount of anguish. :(
 

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Anyone who uses a whip and spurs to inflict pain on the horse is NOT doing it correctly.

They are supposed tobe an extension of your legs(spurs) - I never used a whip before.

People are use those training equipment to harshly will create a stone sided horse which is even harder to re-train.

I have blunt end ladies humane spurs that i just LOVE - BUT i was also properly trined in how to use them.

The youngest horse I have started would be 2.5 yrs and that wouldbe just a walk and a short jog, the oldest I have started for someone would have been approx. 6yrs old and being an Appy he was slightly harder to train(Apps are known for their stubborn nature lol) but other than that they were the same.
 

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BB, you make a great point that I actually forgot about. Around here most of the "abuse" you see is either track horses or western pleasure riders, but you brought up draw reins. In hunter barns around here they are used for hour long lessons, and not typical hunter head sets either. At the ranch I worked at for a few years an Arab, they called him an Egyptian Arab, actually had to be on stall rest, no riding whatsoever for 6 months because he had developed a strange large mass on his neck that the vet attributed to hours of daily sessions with draw reins.

Gustav- I know exactly what your talking about in the jumper ring. There is one barn around here that's known for being rough around the edges and it was always a terrifying sight to see those students in the jumper ring. Numerous times they were dumped wildly, horses fell, legs slipping out from under them. Just disgusting.

As for spurs, I've used them along with a bat. Spurs were great when I was 9, and had no leg whatsoever on a 16.1 lazy QH. But as Jenn said, they're supposed to be used as a leg extension. The english spurs are dull, not like the ones you see in westerns either! ROFL
 

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I have never used spurs. I've always had arabs and believe me, there was no need! BUT the western ones that i have seen are usually duct taped or taped with electrical tape for anything but shows. They aren't used for anything but flashiness except by the obvious evil people. :mad:

As for draw reins, I absolutely adore them and find them to be a great asset in training! Especially hot horses that need a lot of ground work. I can't imagine using them so they would hurt the horse but that's sad that people do. :(

Linda Tellington Jones who runs TTEAM has a good appraoch to 'whips' she calls them wands and shows how they can be used as an extension of your arm. It's pretty neat.
 

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lol@Saje, yeah, Arabs usually aren't the lethargic type! LOL

As I said though, english spurs are blunt. Typically only about half an inch long. None of this, chain saw blade thingy that the western riders use. I've seen a western pleasure guy, I won't mention names, bring a horse out of the ring dripping with blood on his shoulders and barrel. Some don't just use them for show unfortuanately :(

I had a pair of draw reins, used them for a few months, but a "new age" western reiner taught me a neat method for getting any type of headset that didn't require anything other than your normal D-ring bit and your normal reins.
 

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I don't use draw reins that much. I guess I should say that. Just initially. They help in the start but then become a crutch and don't really teach anything permanently. I do like um, brain fart, driving reins! For groundwork. That's what I meant. lol Dumb.

So what's the method?
 

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As for draw reins, I absolutely adore them and find them to be a great asset in training! Especially hot horses that need a lot of ground work. I can't imagine using them so they would hurt the horse but that's sad that people do.
How do you use draw reins for ground work? I've only ever used them under-saddle.

I'm not against using draw reins, if done correctly.

Ooops, just saw your last post!
 

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Hm. The above doesn't even make sense lol I'm so tired I feel drunk.

I meant I use driving reins for groundwork. I do use draw reins but not for long periods of time. <sigh>
 

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