Hi, Millie ~
It sounds like your Fred and my Shiva would have a huge time playing! Shiva plays some with the lab pup next door, Chester. She used to have a ball with Stanley the Lab, but his owner took him on a trip with him and he disappeared. Stanley was a boisterous, rambunctious pup; Chester is much more serious and quiet, but Shiva's doing her best to remedy that. LOL