Here Is An Idea People!!.............

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Teach your dog not to bite before it does!!!! How hard is this concept for some people on this forum???

I have been reading a ton of posts here in the training forum and quite frankly I am sick.

I am sorry to make yet another thread about beating dogs with sticks but I am mad

Certain people keep saying "well, telling your dog something while he's biting someone won't get him off."

First of all it is completely unnatural for a dog to bite a person. If it does bite someone then that someone did something wrong and were probably warned numerous times before they got bit.

Not training a dog enough may cause it to bite BUT being too aggressive and making it fearful in your training will also cause it to bite.

Fear and pain biting is the 2 main reasons that dogs bite. So training him in a way that makes him fearful or inflicting pain is a sure way to get bit.

Also why are people saying that there is an epidemic of children being mauled?? It is completely untrue. Read the book "Dogs Bite: But Balloons & Slippers Are More Dangerous" By Dawn Capp. There is a lot of information in that book that throws the "bite epidemic" right out the door.

Please people understand something....dogs don't normally bite but when they do it is for very good reason. Even if YOU don't think it was a good reason, the dog obviously thought it was.

And just because your dog loves you after you beat it with a stick doesn't mean it is not abuse. Dogs love their humans unconditionally, so saying that your dog loves you and is happy even after being hit with a stick is just ridiculous.

You could put a dog through hell and back and unfortunately, most of the time he will still love you and trust you even though he shouldn't.

Ok, now that I am done my rant I am going to hug each and every one of my dogs and be happy that none of them ended up in Kentucky.

 

[JTP]

How do you propose to institute such a plan with an adopted dog that came that way

 

[MelissaCato]

...... or the young adult dog someone thought the clicker/or cookie could control?

 

[Emmalee]

I agree! All dogs need some type of training when they are pups. Training with lots of love and lots of patience is most likely the "right" way to train

 

[blue]

...... or the young adult dog someone thought the clicker/or cookie could control?

Please reread your sig.

 

[JTP]

I agree! All dogs need some type of training when they are pups. Training with lots of love and lots of patience is most likely the "right" way to train

Nobody is arguing that point though. Technique is the point of disagreement.
Any method must be done wth love, and patience to achieve succcess.
I train them because I love them.
I modify their unacceptable behaviors because I love them.
I raise them to be reliable, and stable because I love them, and wish them to be an acceptable, integrated member of society.

And while some may disagree with some of the techniques I am willing to use, or employ in raising up my dog. Anybody who honestly believes I do not love and care for my dog is a fool. I would not waste my time with my dog if I was not full of love for my dog.

Perhaps, I love them even more because I spend so much time, and am willing to go that extra distance for them, that many people will not go.

 

[BoxMeIn21]

Teach your dog not to bite before it does!!!! How hard is this concept for some people on this forum???

I have been reading a ton of posts here in the training forum and quite frankly I am sick.

I am sorry to make yet another thread about beating dogs with sticks but I am mad

Certain people keep saying "well, telling your dog something while he's biting someone won't get him off."

First of all it is completely unnatural for a dog to bite a person. If it does bite someone then that someone did something wrong and were probably warned numerous times before they got bit.

Not training a dog enough may cause it to bite BUT being too aggressive and making it fearful in your training will also cause it to bite.

Fear and pain biting is the 2 main reasons that dogs bite. So training him in a way that makes him fearful or inflicting pain is a sure way to get bit.

Also why are people saying that there is an epidemic of children being mauled?? It is completely untrue. Read the book "Dogs Bite: But Balloons & Slippers Are More Dangerous" By Dawn Capp. There is a lot of information in that book that throws the "bite epidemic" right out the door.

Please people understand something....dogs don't normally bite but when they do it is for very good reason. Even if YOU don't think it was a good reason, the dog obviously thought it was.

And just because your dog loves you after you beat it with a stick doesn't mean it is not abuse. Dogs love their humans unconditionally, so saying that your dog loves you and is happy even after being hit with a stick is just ridiculous.

You could put a dog through hell and back and unfortunately, most of the time he will still love you and trust you even though he shouldn't.

Ok, now that I am done my rant I am going to hug each and every one of my dogs and be happy that none of them ended up in Kentucky.

Please reread your sig.

LMAO, Blue.

 

[dr2little]

Nobody is arguing that point though. Technique is the point of disagreement.
Any method must be done wth love, and patience to achieve succcess.
I train them because I love them.
I modify their unacceptable behaviors because I love them.
I raise them to be reliable, and stable because I love them, and wish them to be an acceptable, integrated member of society.

And while some may disagree with some of the techniques I am willing to use, or employ in raising up my dog. Anybody who honestly believes I do not love and care for my dog is a fool. I would not waste my time with my dog if I was not full of love for my dog.

Perhaps, I love them even more because I spend so much time, and am willing to go that extra distance for them, that many people will not go.

How is it that I and many other trainers NEVER need to lay a hand on any dog in the name of "love"?

Most of the dogs that I see in Private training and of course in my Growl classes have very strongly ingrained, dangerous issues.

Training and rehab. does not require a FIRM HAND, as a matter of fact, that's often how they ended up as my client to begin with.

I absolutely love and respect dogs, that's why I do what I do for a living. Much earlier in my career, I used to believe that some needed to be physically corrected. That as many years, many cases, and several hundred hours of Canine Behavior Study ago. When you know better, you do better....SIMPLE AS THAT!

I think that it's totally irresponsible to argue FOR physical correction on a public forum...but then again, if you read the responses from most dog owners here you'll see that they have taken the time to learn a better way.

 

[Doberluv]

Yes Doc. And in addition....I think it's ridiculous to waste our time feeding these trolls who come here and post only on threads that they can try to sell us on beating our dogs. They don't get it that we don't condone abuse. Opinions about various training methods are one thing. But what I've read about in these last few days is not about method. It's about abuse.

So, as for me, I'm going to stop feeding the trolls and attending to them and their sickening treatment of innocent animals. These people don't train dogs. They abuse them. They're out of their league here.

 

[dr2little]

Yes Doc. And in addition....I think it's ridiculous to waste our time feeding these trolls who come here and post only on threads that they can try to sell us on beating our dogs. They don't get it that we don't condone abuse. Opinions about various training methods are one thing. But what I've read about in these last few days is not about method. It's about abuse.

So, as for me, I'm going to stop feeding the trolls and attending to them and their sickening treatment of innocent animals. These people don't train dogs. They abuse them. They're out of their league here.

Hey, GOOD IDEA....wanna chat? How about right here?

Wacha doin? How's the weather there?

I have my ZOO KEEPER FOR A DAY tomorrow. I'm gonna take a ton of pictures...maybe I'll post them here.

Or maybe I'll post one after every narly post about abusing a dog in the name of "training" or even worse....in the name of "LOVE"..:yikes:

 

[Doberluv]

I'm about ready to go do some errands. That's what I'm doing and the weather is great.

Zoo keeper for the day! Yeah! Yes, pictures are required. I bet you can't wait. What animals are you involved with this time?

Anyhow.....everything sounds great!

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I have my ZOO KEEPER FOR A DAY tomorrow. I'm gonna take a ton of pictures...maybe I'll post them here.

You are going to have SO much fun!!! I can't wait to hear all about it!

 

[JTP]

I think that it's totally irresponsible to argue FOR physical correction on a public forum...but then again, if you read the responses from most dog owners here you'll see that they have taken the time to learn a better way.

If I cared what you thought about responsible forum bhavior, I would be contacting you to ask questions about responsible behavior on forums.
Your specic training,techniques, and methods are of interest to me, as is anything that works to the degree I require.

What I see on this forum, is several people interested in conversing, and discussing, and several other list bullies/enforcers who prefer to denigrate any view not in agreement with their own, and clog the forum with needlesss bully posts with an agenda of shouting down any dissenting view.

This list is nowhere near tolerant enough to allow a full discussion by anyone other than the few limited posters who agree with the list bullies, as any poster who would post a dissenting opinion, or interject a thought not in compliance with the agenda of the forum bullys is immediately shouted down.
with death threats, death wishes, terroristic threats, insults, and general abuse, and all around behavior of a bully, or gang of bullies.

Such behavior limits the viewpoints, and full discussion to the few regular posters who all agree with each other, and a few disenters who are not afraid of a bully behind a key board.

So what you feel is a majority, is a only few people oppressing the majority.

I sense the leadership of the list has somewhat more character than some of the few post flooding members, or all dissent would be squashed.

As for "learning a better way", I have, and that is what I use.

If your preferred methods are as good as you feel they are, then the result will speak for itself, in the real world, and it should not require bully tactics toward humans to prove your method.
If you will excuse me now, I see a stray stick in the yard, that I have not needlessly beaten my dog with. The dog is carrying an especially nice looking one, 6 feet long, and about 1 1/4 inch thick, I can probably crack a rib with that one, if he does not bite me first, of course I will pet him afterwards.

Come her you $%^&&&^%, and hold still..... ouch...doh

 

[Buddy'sParents]

This list is nowhere near tolerant enough to allow a full discussion by anyone other than the few limited posters who agree with the list bullies, as any poster who would post a dissenting opinion, or interject a thought not in compliance with the agenda of the forum bullys is immediately shouted down.
with death threats, death wishes, terroristic threats, insults, and general abuse, and all around behavior of a bully, or gang of bullies.

*wipes eyes*

Am I reading this or is this all a dream?

This forum allows views to be expressed (using physical punishments and training methods, for example), but you will find that most people don't agree with them. Which is fine, not everyone has to agree, what kind of world would that be? People are more than welcome to share what they believe, but they can't cry "bully" when the masses don't step up to agree with them.

 

[Renee750il]

First off, I find it an interesting concept that the perceived "bullies" are the ones who DON'T agree with hitting . . . . there's a fair amount of fodder for my own skewed sense of amusement right there.

Secondly, if all this hitting and staving and such is necessary for all of these medium-hard dogs born and bred to WANT to follow orders, how is it that I'm not having problems with mine - who are born and bred to be headstrong, willful, rock hard and to just plain old not like anyone who doesn't belong to them . . . and I don't smack 'em around?

I must be doing something terribly wrong

 

[drmom777]

Yes Renee, haven't you been reading? We now have ToscasMom regretting the fact that she didn't stick Tosca's head in a hole full of water for long periods when she was a pup, preemptively. Minds CAN be changed. I bet your Filas would have turned out a lot better if you had some staves handy at all times. Just because they seem fine now doesn't mean they couldn't have been better. Also, you could have helped assure your eternal salvation this way.

 

[yoko]

if you like you can make a thread and i am sure if you asked everyone would be willing to discuss positive reinforcement training with you.

 

[Renee750il]

Yes Renee, haven't you been reading? We now have ToscasMom regretting the fact that she didn't stick Tosca's head in a hole full of water for long periods when she was a pup, preemptively. Minds CAN be changed. I bet your Filas would have turned out a lot better if you had some staves handy at all times. Just because they seem fine now doesn't mean they couldn't have been better. Also, you could have helped assure your eternal salvation this way.

And taking a stick to a Fila would have ensured that I'd have gotten to test out that eternal salvation pretty quickly

 

[Saje]

Please reread your sig.

roflmao

practice what you preach!

 

[Saje]

If I cared what you thought about responsible forum bhavior, I would be contacting you to ask questions about responsible behavior on forums.

You don't care what the forum moderator has to say about forum behaviour? Good to know.