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Haven't you said that your SD doesn't go to work or school with you? I mean, if that's true, I assume you're functioning at work or else you wouldn't have a job. Therefore, the statement "I NEED my dog to function" isn't completely correct, nor is it the same as somebody who can't walk using a wheelchair, in your case.
Work environments and social environments aren't even remotely the same thing. I have stuff at work available to me to compensate for my disability that I cannot carry with me into the public areas or outside my home. Not to mention, in a workplace, the people around me are aware of my disability and can react accordingly, which is not the case in social environments.

EDIT: Thanks Saeleofu for the clarification on the legal terminology.
 

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the whole allergy bit doesn't fly with me. I think it's an overblown excuse. Public places are well ventilated with large volumes of air moved every minute. If you're that sensitive, I'm betting you can't make it to the store in anything other than a bubble

my dogs will break less stuff in a lifetime than the next 10 kids I see out in public will in a weekend :)
I swear I have read these exact words before. Have you posted this exact comment in another thread word for word? I'm not asking to be mean, it's just really messing with my head right now. I swear I've read these words before!
 
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I swear I have read these exact words before. Have you posted this exact comment in another thread word for word? I'm not asking to be mean, it's just really messing with my head right now. I swear I've read these words before!
If i did it was one heck of a consequence, but I'm sure I've said something similar in the past as it's not a new thought of mine.
 

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I just see purposely lying about something to fufill a want as totally on a different level than other things we are discussing here. And I am sure at some point the amount of dogs in a place would become an issue. If you start having multiple dogs in small restaurants, stores, etc I can see where limits would start being set (which would make the handicap parking comparison valid).
Bolded what I think is the difference here. I speed, though not recklessly, I have no problems admitting it. If I was pulled over I wouldn't lie nor would I complain later about being pulled over. I was speeding. It doesn't matter if I was going 65 in a 60 rather than 90 in a 60, it doesn't matter if I was weaving in and out of traffic cutting people off; I was speeding and I was breaking the law. Bringing your well-behaved pet dog somewhere it is not allowed under the guise of it being a service dog is breaking the law, regardless if you're bothering anybody else or if you agree with the law or not. There's a part of town around here where the speed limit is 30 and several cops I know have told me they think it's stupid to be 30 MPH out there... but it is, and people speed, and they still pull people over and write tickets. If something is illegal and you disagree with the law, work to change it rather than just breaking the law because you feel like it.

Haven't you said that your SD doesn't go to work or school with you? I mean, if that's true, I assume you're functioning at work or else you wouldn't have a job. Therefore, the statement "I NEED my dog to function" isn't completely correct, nor is it the same as somebody who can't walk using a wheelchair, in your case.
It's incorrect to assume somebody in a wheelchair or using a cane needs those items 100% of the time. I know a girl with cerebral palsy who needs (and uses) her wheelchair sometimes, but not all the time; I worked with a guy who was in a wheelchair all the time, but could do a few limited thngs without it - he, however, chose to use his wheelchair all the time while the girl I know chooses not to.
So it is a correct comparison.

Have fun on your moral high ground.
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Work environments and social environments aren't even remotely the same thing. I have stuff at work available to me to compensate for my disability that I cannot carry with me into the public areas or outside my home. Not to mention, in a workplace, the people around me are aware of my disability and can react accordingly, which is not the case in social environments.

EDIT: Thanks Saeleofu for the clarification on the legal terminology.
Yes, but claiming its just like a wheelchair, and then saying that you only bring it when its convenient, if offensive. Many People in wheelchairs don't have that choice. They bring the wheelchair convenient or not
 

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Bolded what I think is the difference here. I speed, though not recklessly, I have no problems admitting it. If I was pulled over I wouldn't lie nor would I complain later about being pulled over. I was speeding. It doesn't matter if I was going 65 in a 60 rather than 90 in a 60, it doesn't matter if I was weaving in and out of traffic cutting people off; I was speeding and I was breaking the law. Bringing your well-behaved pet dog somewhere it is not allowed under the guise of it being a service dog is breaking the law, regardless if you're bothering anybody else or if you agree with the law or not. There's a part of town around here where the speed limit is 30 and several cops I know have told me they think it's stupid to be 30 MPH out there... but it is, and people speed, and they still pull people over and write tickets. If something is illegal and you disagree with the law, work to change it rather than just breaking the law because you feel like it.



It's incorrect to assume somebody in a wheelchair or using a cane needs those items 100% of the time. I know a girl with cerebral palsy who needs (and uses) her wheelchair sometimes, but not all the time; I worked with a guy who was in a wheelchair all the time, but could do a few limited thngs without it - he, however, chose to use his wheelchair all the time while the girl I know chooses not to.
So it is a correct comparison.



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Yes, but claiming its just like a wheelchair, and then saying that you only bring it when its convenient, if offensive. Many People in wheelchairs don't have that choice. They bring the wheelchair convenient or not
Splitting hairs, you are, yessssssssssss.....

I have to deal with my disability whether there's a dog at my side or not. A wheelchair is a tool to aid an impairment, just like a SD. Some disabilities have more variety of tools available to them, but they are still tools that are used in our lives.
 

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Bolded what I think is the difference here. I speed, though not recklessly, I have no problems admitting it. If I was pulled over I wouldn't lie nor would I complain later about being pulled over. I was speeding. It doesn't matter if I was going 65 in a 60 rather than 90 in a 60, it doesn't matter if I was weaving in and out of traffic cutting people off; I was speeding and I was breaking the law. Bringing your well-behaved pet dog somewhere it is not allowed under the guise of it being a service dog is breaking the law, regardless if you're bothering anybody else or if you agree with the law or not. There's a part of town around here where the speed limit is 30 and several cops I know have told me they think it's stupid to be 30 MPH out there... but it is, and people speed, and they still pull people over and write tickets. If something is illegal and you disagree with the law, work to change it rather than just breaking the law because you feel like it.



It's incorrect to assume somebody in a wheelchair or using a cane needs those items 100% of the time. I know a girl with cerebral palsy who needs (and uses) her wheelchair sometimes, but not all the time; I worked with a guy who was in a wheelchair all the time, but could do a few limited thngs without it - he, however, chose to use his wheelchair all the time while the girl I know chooses not to.
So it is a correct comparison.



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I missed be part where she specified she's only talking about some people with wheelchairs, apparently.
 

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There are a lot of places that I wish dogs were allowed (like pubs) and lots of places that I don't think dogs should be (clothing stores). A dog is a dog whether it's a SD or a pet, and I'd rather no dogs be in some places, period. If you need the dog and it's prescribed, or if dogs are allowed, fine. But if you can leave your dog outside the eg clothing store, I'd personally rather you did.

If there's a SD in a pub, fine, if there's a faker in a pub, great, if someone has just overtly brought their pet dog into a pub great. I don't care because I think it's a fine place for a dog.

And SD or otherwise, ill-behaved dogs should be evicted unless it's necessary the dog be there and the establishment is OK with it.

I really don't have any particularly strong feelings about any of it, I suppose I feel some very mild annoyance on behalf of non-animal people who their new black garment has those very fine little dog undercoat hairs on it :rofl1:
 

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I missed be part where she specified she's only talking about some people with wheelchairs, apparently.
She said "canes and wheelchairs" specifically, and twice you specifically called out "wheelchairs."

We could discuss canes as well. Or other disability aids. Take your pick and we'll discuss.
 

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I don't care if you bring your dog to an outdoor fair where pets aren't normally allowed as long as you stay the hell out of my way and don't let your dog interfere with my SD who is working. I don't even care if your dog is at an outdoor patio restaurant, again as long as the dog is well behaved and cared for. And not interfering with mine.
Technically, you wouldn't really have the right to object to a pet being at an outdoor patio restaurant (I mean, you can complain about anything you like, of course...), since most of those typically do allow dogs. At least the ones I've been to did.

My dogs actually have done fine when I've taken them to those, but still, if I were faking a SD, I don't think I'd take them to a restaurant. And I'm going to say that I don't see people doing that. Not going to say nobody does, but any dog I've seen in a restaurant is either an actual SD, or is faking it really well, since their behavior is impeccable. I don't see a lot of dogs in restaurants, except in the outdoor ones that allow pets. I imagine a lot of people don't bother bringing even legitimate SDs to restaurants because it is a tougher spot for a dog to maintain it's best behavior, and with most disabilities, people can function without the dog for the length of a meal. Especially if with people, which most people do eat out in company.

I see a lot of dogs brought into grocery stores. Some appear to be legitimate SDs. (or good fakes, again) I already mentioned at the beginning of this thread a specific instance in which I saw someone who I felt should not be in the store with the dog. I also not infrequently see people with small fluffy dogs in their shopping cart, these are almost always Latino families who have kids in there as well. Are they faking a service dog? I don't really know. There was a time when that would have annoyed me, I no longer care, because when I see this, the dog is never causing any trouble. So not my problem.

Other than that, I have to say, I rarely see SDs, real or fake. I do wonder some about all the people on the internet who have service dogs, or dogs they are training as such, because it seems odd so many people who are very into their dogs are disabled, but not really my business.
 
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Some people I am sure do always need their service dogs, others don't.

My little brother uses a wheelchair but not all the time. Sometimes it a bigger hassle to bring it so we don't, especially if we know there will be chairs, a short walk, etc.
 

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So a faker is someone who admits a lie, correct? Those with a debilitating issue, however specific and infrequent, have valid use if said dog is task trained, for example body blocking, no matter how one functions without the dog in alternative settings are legit?

Just clarifying.
 

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Technically, you wouldn't really have the right to object to a pet being at an outdoor patio restaurant (I mean, you can complain about anything you like, of course...), since most of those typically do allow dogs. At least the ones I've been to did.
Technically, unless the restaurant allows pets, I can object. Not that I would, because I don't mind. Sometimes my pets come to specific restaurants where they're allowed.
 

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So a faker is someone who admits a lie, correct? Those with a debilitating issue, however specific and infrequent, have valid use if said dog is task trained, for example body blocking, no matter how one functions without the dog in alternative settings are legit?

Just clarifying.
I'm not understanding what you're asking. :(
 

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Yes, but claiming its just like a wheelchair, and then saying that you only bring it when its convenient, if offensive. Many People in wheelchairs don't have that choice. They bring the wheelchair convenient or not
Beanie, you are the bomb.

Using your example:

She doesn't use Logan at work. She needs to use Logan in public. Many people (like myself) need to use wheelchairs sometimes, but not all of the time.

I, personally, need to use my dog better than 95% of the time. Many people in wheelchairs need to use their wheelchair better than 95% of the time.

You don't get to decide who needs to use what, how often they need to use it, and whether or not that need should count. Trust me - having a service dog is never convenient.

I am seriously shocked at the amount of selfish comments that some people are posting.

I don't give a **** if the dog is a faker (well behaved or not) or a poorly behaved service dog - get the f**k out. I'm sick of having to constantly be on my toes hoping my dog doesn't get jumped while she's trying to take care of me when I'm not able to take care of myself. If you are NOT disabled and/or your dog is NOT trained to the level that a service dog should be, you have zero business being somewhere where pets are not welcome.
 

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The question is, a faker is only one who admits a lie, yes? So how can others call those who've not made an admission a faker? Who is to say that old arthritic gym teacher is not assisted by said dog at the fair? Maybe her pain increases her anxiety creating a debilitating state and the dog eases it?

I guess I am always in awe at how many who use dogs seem so comfortable to jump to accusations. It is fascinating, I can't stop watching and can't stop thinking about a time when dogs for said issues were not considered real SD by the general public, legal or not.
 

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Bolded what I think is the difference here. I speed, though not recklessly, I have no problems admitting it. If I was pulled over I wouldn't lie nor would I complain later about being pulled over. I was speeding. It doesn't matter if I was going 65 in a 60 rather than 90 in a 60, it doesn't matter if I was weaving in and out of traffic cutting people off; I was speeding and I was breaking the law. Bringing your well-behaved pet dog somewhere it is not allowed under the guise of it being a service dog is breaking the law, regardless if you're bothering anybody else or if you agree with the law or not. There's a part of town around here where the speed limit is 30 and several cops I know have told me they think it's stupid to be 30 MPH out there... but it is, and people speed, and they still pull people over and write tickets. If something is illegal and you disagree with the law, work to change it rather than just breaking the law because you feel like it.



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Pot-kettle.

You speed, and admit to it. That is illegal. If you disagree with that law, then clearly by your own stated standards, you should be working to change the law, rather than breaking it by speeding.

A person who is faking a service dog is also illegal, yes, but why is it that this is unacceptable in your eyes, and the laws you choose to break are okay? You are setting your own arbitrary standards. Which people do, and you certainly have the right to your own opinion about it. I doubt I'm going to change anybody's mind by arguing in this thread. But I know that my own opinion on the subject changed with sober reflection, so I just like to get those other thoughts out there.

I've also seen someone just lambasted for "faking" a service dog, and I guess I'm just not that comfortable with it. I like to see people try to exercise a little compassion. I stood back and did nothing while someone was bullied once in high school, and I don't ever want to feel that bad about myself again.
 

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