Election Results

[Renee750il]

My parents moved us from the San Francisco Bay Area to Wilmington, NC., to east Tennessee . . . My life has been, since moving east, one continuous, "you're not from around here, are you," although I've gotten pretty good at camo, and Knoxville is a break.

Wilmington, when we were there, was totally the Old South and the question was always "where are your people from," or "are you related to Soandso?"

Weirdly, though, around Cocke County -- one of the places that outsiders have the worst perception of -- they're a helluva lot nicer and friendlier. They're more mountain types than traditional southerners though.

 

[GlassOnion]

Oh yay, here we go with the secede **** again.

I really do not understand how some folks' first reactions to the results are to FREAK THE **** OUT!

 

[Psyfalcon]

Oh yay, here we go with the secede **** again.

I really do not understand how some folks' first reactions to the results are to FREAK THE **** OUT!

Well, if you follow the media narrative (and I mean Fox) you have a foreign born, socialist, white person hating angry black man who hates christians for a president. Can't really blame people for freaking out then (Now, the number of those who are just plain racist is not zero by a long shot, but I'll play along for now).

If instead you called him a christian centrist who isn't any farther to the left than Nixon (small praise I suppose, but the platforms are much closer than to the modern republican one: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25841) who wants to raise taxes on the richest to at least slow the debt growth.....

You might differ in ideas, but when someone is do demonized where do you leave the people when they find they have to deal with him again? Its like trying to run out of a room with a tiger in it. (Its a cat, but you like dogs )

 

[GlassOnion]

Yah but the problem is they allow themselves to be convinced he's a demon in the first place. It's an underlying issue of people wanting someone to hate, I think. I'm no psychologist, so I really don't understand how people become so convinced that someone is actively seeking to destroy the country.

They have opinions that differ from yours about how things should be done. That doesn't make them evil, just idiotic at best.

 

[ACooper]

**OFF TOPIC FOR JUST A MINUTE**

Yah but the problem is they allow themselves to be convinced he's a demon in the first place. It's an underlying issue of people wanting someone to hate, I think. I'm no psychologist, so I really don't understand how people become so convinced that someone is actively seeking to destroy the country.

They have opinions that differ from yours about how things should be done. That doesn't make them evil, just idiotic at best.

OMFG GO!! Where have you been? I've missed seeing you around here sooooo much!!

(((((((((((((((Strictly platonic old lady HUGS)))))))))))))))) GLAD TO SEE YOU!

**LEAVING THREAD ONCE AGAIN....CARRY ON**

 

[-bogart-]

CLICK THE RADIO OFF WALTON AND JOHNSON!!!! They have really went nuts with this crap.


and good to see ya GO, hope all the good.

 

[Miakoda]

Believe it or not, many of the people signing those petitions are just fed up with the federal government in general, and are tired with how much it has overstepped its bounds.

I really wish people would refrain from stereotyping an entire group of people based on the actions and beliefs of a small few.

I'm very proud of our governor, Bobby Jindal, and I'm proud of his refusal to enact "Obama are" (I really hate that term). In fact, he recently told the federal government "You want it? YOU do it.".

I'm proud of the states, and the people in them, for taking a stand for what they believe.

 

[Renee750il]

Yah but the problem is they allow themselves to be convinced he's a demon in the first place. It's an underlying issue of people wanting someone to hate, I think. I'm no psychologist, so I really don't understand how people become so convinced that someone is actively seeking to destroy the country.

They have opinions that differ from yours about how things should be done. That doesn't make them evil, just idiotic at best.

Once anything's been run through the Rupert Murdoch spin mill NOTHING makes sense anymore.

I think Psy's done a good summation.

 

[ACooper]

Believe it or not, many of the people signing those petitions are just fed up with the federal government in general, and are tired with how much it has overstepped its bounds.

I am guilty of not following what goes on in other states too closely......we normally have enough issues right here, LOL, so I don't know all the details of Texas right now......but....

I just wanted to agree with the above statement. It's not just who's president RIGHT NOW...it's a whole bale of straw that's been happening for a long time. There is eventually GOING to be that final staw that breaks it all wide open.

 

[Renee750il]

I am guilty of not following what goes on in other states too closely......we normally have enough issues right here, LOL, so I don't know all the details of Texas right now......but....

I just wanted to agree with the above statement. It's not just who's president RIGHT NOW...it's a whole bale of straw that's been happening for a long time. There is eventually GOING to be that final staw that breaks it all wide open.

I used to think that -- but not anymore. I don't think the majority is willing to act. They aren't even willing to look beyond the first two names on a ballot.

 

[ACooper]

I used to think that -- but not anymore. I don't think the majority is willing to act. They aren't even willing to look beyond the first two names on a ballot.

Ya, but I don't think a voting thing is going to fix how broken we are. Texas might have the right idea if they can get enough other states to follow. Sometimes knocking down a house and building a new one is better than trying to repair the old one.

IDK....I'm just rambling. I don't care to discuss politics in any capacity, so I think I'll go start making my Christmas Kitchen Curtains! (say that 10 x fast! LOL)

 

[Greenmagick]

Sorry, if Texas was successful in secession, yeah, they would not last long at all. I think it is ridiculous to use it as some kind of threat when there is no real plan.

And for governors trying to block the affordable health care act, again, ridiculous. Obama was voted in TWICE, by the majority, and one of his biggest platform positions was on reforming healthcare. Now, I am not happy with the act as it stands personally, it needs to go much further.

If you (general you) dont like the way the federal government is running (which I dont think anyone is totally happy with in all aspects) come up with an actual viable working plan. I hear a lot of pipe dreams but see very little that would actually work in the real world. Get a viable plan that does not ostracize huge chunks of the population. Stop trying to use one religion as the basis of policies.

Yes, I will lump all the people who signed a petition to secede into a group...its absolutely ridiculous

 

[-bogart-]

I actually think the petition to repeal the Pot laws will get more attention.

I know to many closet smokers who are from ALL political parties and economical circles.

 

[MinPinOwner]

There is too much gloom and doom when discussing politics. Succession petitions are merely a protest activity and aren't anything new. Succession is technically impossible. It's true that there are only two viable choices in general elections, but many people don't vote in the primaries.

 

[BigDogBuford]

Again, though: no one is seceding. The SCOTUS decided the issue in 1869, and found that it's unconstitutional.

 

[Psyfalcon]

I am guilty of not following what goes on in other states too closely......we normally have enough issues right here, LOL, so I don't know all the details of Texas right now......but....

I just wanted to agree with the above statement. It's not just who's president RIGHT NOW...it's a whole bale of straw that's been happening for a long time. There is eventually GOING to be that final staw that breaks it all wide open.

Maybe, but I can't see these same people saying it if Romney was elected. Some of the petitions have over 25k signatures.

Sure, you had the whole United States of Canada and Jesusland thing in 04, but this seems more serious. Some of it must be my bias, but maybe because some of these states tried that once already and at least one of those states still flies that flag at its capitol? Texas was quite happy with much the same government for 8 years and now they want to secede? The straw was slightly higher taxes in return for healthcare?

 

[Romy]

I could get behind some rearranging of state boundaries. Eastern WA would love to secede from the entire west coast, lol. Our entire state's election/electoral votes hinge on King County alone, which really isn't fair for the rest of the state's population because the interests of farmers =/= most populated county in the state.

 

[release the hounds]

I could get behind some rearranging of state boundaries. Eastern WA would love to secede from the entire west coast, lol. Our entire state's election/electoral votes hinge on King County alone, which really isn't fair for the rest of the state's population because the interests of farmers =/= most populated county in the state.

why isn't it fair? What's the solution? should farmers or rural people get more of a say in elections because they live in less populated areas, pay less taxes, recieve less tax benefits, etc? Do electoral maps need to be changed?

On a side, I often hear this reason as an argument to get rid of the electoral college, but this would just intensify this "problem" but not within states, but nationwide between states.

 

[darkchild16]

why isn't it fair? What's the solution? should farmers or rural people get more of a say in elections because they live in less populated areas, pay less taxes, recieve less tax benefits, etc? Do electoral maps need to be changed?

On a side, I often hear this reason as an argument to get rid of the electoral college, but this would just intensify this "problem" but not within states, but nationwide between states.

I think the point is that most of the state IS farmers besides that one area. You see it in FL alot. If you look at it broken down MOST of the state is red but a few areas are blue and since they are the highly populated areas thats what we usually end up with.

 

[Romy]

why isn't it fair? What's the solution? should farmers or rural people get more of a say in elections because they live in less populated areas, pay less taxes, recieve less tax benefits, etc? Do electoral maps need to be changed?

On a side, I often hear this reason as an argument to get rid of the electoral college, but this would just intensify this "problem" but not within states, but nationwide between states.

The point is, especially for statewide issues, policies on things like how much water farmers are allowed to divert from the Columbia River and things like that are being determined by people who live in the corridor from Olympia to Seattle, who were elected by people in Seattle, who all have NO IDEA about how anything to do with agriculture works and live really far away from the farmers.