'Dog Whisperer' being sued for injury of dog!
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Yes I have watched his show. But admittedly never read his book. I have never saw him choke the dog. I know he likes to have the lead high on the neck so you have more control over the head. But he isn't putting a lot of pressure on it.
I don't agree with everything he has done.. But I hardly think he is cruel to animals. Until I am proved wrong with reputable sources I cannot and will not change my opinion of him. He has done a lot of good for animals as far as I can tell.
I don't agree with everything he has done.. But I hardly think he is cruel to animals. Until I am proved wrong with reputable sources I cannot and will not change my opinion of him. He has done a lot of good for animals as far as I can tell.
You have to do training at home too. Just letting a trainer train your dog, but not practicing the same things will nto solve the problem. Dogs are NOT generalists. They don't take a lesson they learned in one place under one set of circumstances and apply it to something even slightly different. I can't train my dog to sit only in the safety of his home, and then except him to sit while sitting in front of a courtyard full of pigeons without training him there too.
Same way with these dogs. They may very well "learn" the lesson at the trainers, but they won't apply it to their home situation.
Same way with these dogs. They may very well "learn" the lesson at the trainers, but they won't apply it to their home situation.
Education is substantially more than a little piece of paper. What an ignorant concept. Is that how we've gone from the 1500's to the present with medicine? Is that how we've gone from no knoweldge of outer space from hundreds of years ago to what we have now? Is that how anything came to change for the better? From no education? That's absolute nonsense. Canine behaviorists, psychologists, trainers go to school where they learn what others have learned before them by extensive research, observation, experimentation, proof of how animals learn. So, that bit of nonsense is woefully ignorant. No offense intended in a personal way, just that the idea is so ridiculous.
He most certainly is responsible because this is what he teaches people and what he promotes, even if he would have been more careful. He promotes force and domination. If you have to do something with a dog which needs disclaimers written all over the screen, what kind of training is that?
And what is this doing to the psyches of these dogs? To distrust people, that people cause pain and fear. I shudder to think of the future of our dogs if this guy continues. It is an optomistic hope that this is a passing fad and that real trainers who promote methods which have been proven to train with much less wear and tear on dogs will prevail.
He most certainly is responsible because this is what he teaches people and what he promotes, even if he would have been more careful. He promotes force and domination. If you have to do something with a dog which needs disclaimers written all over the screen, what kind of training is that?
And what is this doing to the psyches of these dogs? To distrust people, that people cause pain and fear. I shudder to think of the future of our dogs if this guy continues. It is an optomistic hope that this is a passing fad and that real trainers who promote methods which have been proven to train with much less wear and tear on dogs will prevail.
First of all, I am a 45 year old woman who has worked with dogs all my life. As for crackerjack course, I am university educated as well and certified in canine behavior! What an insult! I do know what I'm talking about....do you?
It appears that the proponents for physical punishment are usually the people without the education to back it up! By the way, lots of people can have "experience" with dogs but it doesn't make them experts or even correct in their methods. If you gain your experience by watching cruel idiots, you will usually adopt those same methods...unless you get yourself a current education. GAWWD, I thought that most people would be FOR the dog not the ABUSER!!!
As for Schutzhund, I've never been involved...you can make your own assumptions as to why!
It appears that the proponents for physical punishment are usually the people without the education to back it up! By the way, lots of people can have "experience" with dogs but it doesn't make them experts or even correct in their methods. If you gain your experience by watching cruel idiots, you will usually adopt those same methods...unless you get yourself a current education. GAWWD, I thought that most people would be FOR the dog not the ABUSER!!!
As for Schutzhund, I've never been involved...you can make your own assumptions as to why!
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First of all, I am a 45 year old woman who has worked with dogs all my life. As for crackerjack course, I am university educated as well and certified in canine behavior! What an insult! I do know what I'm talking about....do you?
It appears that the proponents for physical punishment are usually the people without the education to back it up! By the way, lots of people can have "experience" with dogs but it doesn't make them experts or even correct in their methods. If you gain your experience by watching cruel idiots, you will usually adopt those same methods...unless you get yourself a current education. GAWWD, I thought that most people would be FOR the dog not the ABUSER!!! As for Schutzhund, I've never been involved...you can make your own assumptions as to why!
It appears that the proponents for physical punishment are usually the people without the education to back it up! By the way, lots of people can have "experience" with dogs but it doesn't make them experts or even correct in their methods. If you gain your experience by watching cruel idiots, you will usually adopt those same methods...unless you get yourself a current education. GAWWD, I thought that most people would be FOR the dog not the ABUSER!!!
As for Schutzhund, I've never been involved...you can make your own assumptions as to why!
No no no! I think you misunderstood me! That post was most certainly not aimed at you; I do think you know what you're talking about! What I had in mind was those people who subscribed a six week internet course for dog training, get emailed a piece of paper and then go off and call themselves dog trainers, when they've had little to no hands-on experience. That's the crackerjack course I was meaning.
The Schutzhund comment was aimed another member.
The Schutzhund comment was aimed another member.
For starters were did I say I dissagree with ANY force? Did I not just say I use corrections on Emma? With hermy voice is enought, she is a soft dog. I HARDLY doupt my Sch dog will be soft. Force can be used but force and corrections are TOTALY different that chocking a dog untill it's toung is blue!
If one understands how dogs learn and that they are amoral and they do not think in terms of right and wrong, then one would see why corrections, however mild are not only unnecessary, but irrelevant to training. Dogs do not do something out of willfulness or disobedience. When they don't something because they haven't received enough reinforcers for doing it right. Period. So, the point isn't whether a correction is harsh or mild. It's that corrections are incongruous and unneeded for training a dog.
Hello????? Why should he do it? Because he knows the difference between right and wrong like humans? You think he knows what's expected of him? What's expected of him? He sees a squirrel and hasn't been proofed on his stay in the presence of squirrels (the motivator wasn't as strong as the motivation to chase squirrels) chasing squirrels is fun and much better fun than staying.... in the case of under motivation..... and because he has never been given a reason to stay.... Sorry....doesn't work that way in a dog's psyche. They don't "know" better. Not when they're not trained better. And corrections and punishment are punishing a dog for something that the trainer has failed to teach the dog fully by making the reinforcing history strong enough.
Anyhow, back to CM....If a nurse in a hospital kills a patient, the hospital is sued. The hospital hired the staff and is ultimately responsible for what goes on. If a construction company hires an idiot who's foundation causes a building to collapse, the construction company owner would be responsible. In the case of this worker of CM's, who not only damaged the dog's trachea, caused fear and pain and bruises on the back and inner thighs, (How the hell did that happen?) it is Ceasar who is ultimately responsible for hiring such an idiot.
Anyhow, back to CM....If a nurse in a hospital kills a patient, the hospital is sued. The hospital hired the staff and is ultimately responsible for what goes on. If a construction company hires an idiot who's foundation causes a building to collapse, the construction company owner would be responsible. In the case of this worker of CM's, who not only damaged the dog's trachea, caused fear and pain and bruises on the back and inner thighs, (How the hell did that happen?) it is Ceasar who is ultimately responsible for hiring such an idiot.
If you all knew some of the training methods professional Hunt Test or Field Trial people use....You would flip! The strangest would be a marble and a sling shot! These dogs end up being the NFCS and FC's and MH and so forth. Awsome working dogs! I am not saying I agree or like some of the methods.
I personally dont care for the dog whisperer. Not because of any training method I have seen him use...I just get a bad vibe from him!
These dogs end up being the NFCS and FC's and MH and so forth. Awsome working dogs! I am not saying I agree or like some of the methods. I personally dont care for the dog whisperer. Not because of any training method I have seen him use...I just get a bad vibe from him!
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That is a completely false statement. You can state is as your opinion but is most defineatly NOT a fact. Just because the trainers you chose to say its fact does not make it so, there's much evidence to the contrary and the fact that you say it doesn't exist repeatedly shows me how much you've delved into dog training research, theory, and phsychology.
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