'Dog Whisperer' being sued for injury of dog!
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what does that have to do with anything? hitler was pretty popular in germany back in the 1940's does that mean he was right?
some people will do ANYTHING to get a podium dog - they keep their dogs in kennels, NEVER let them in the house, train them with cruel methods, and simply own them PURELY TO WIN.
that doesnt impress me, and it doesnt strike me as enviable.
maybe you should stop being blinded by big names? i care less what someone else things of someone, and more about what a person actually DOES>
some people will do ANYTHING to get a podium dog - they keep their dogs in kennels, NEVER let them in the house, train them with cruel methods, and simply own them PURELY TO WIN.
that doesnt impress me, and it doesnt strike me as enviable.
maybe you should stop being blinded by big names? i care less what someone else things of someone, and more about what a person actually DOES>
This is nothing personal here- but lets look at how this thread has evolved. I'm observing Dobiegurl being continually blasted by a couple of you who are supposed to be much older and more mature. References are made about her age and inexperience. Yet another person who is the same age, is treated like the golden child because she happens to agree with the ones who are arguing with dobiegurl. I agree- dobiegurl is taking things a little personally and should probably count to 10 before she replies to some of the posts, but the rest of you could do the same thing with the nitpicky attitudes in tearing down everything she says.
Doberluv mentioned the "20-40 years of experience training" that they apparently have. None of you have backed up your long career claims with any proof of your success. I'm not talking having your dog be a pet in your house, I'm talking titles, championships, etc in obedience. Melanie is the only one who has mentioned that she has had national champion level obedience dogs in her chows, and she's been one of the steadying voices throughout this discussion, not one of the instigators. The 2 main people who are talking down their noses at everyone, dr2little and doberluv, have not shown anything but a lot of negativity, pretty ironic for people who train with positive methods. What dogs have you titled? What obedience champions have you had? If you have trained thousands of dogs over many years surely you have had some success you can tell us about. And in 20-40 years, dr2little has seen only a couple dogs who are a 10 on the drive scale? Obviously not someone who works with high drive dogs very much, so how can you comment on a person like Frawley, who is in contact with more high drive dogs in a week than you have seen in your life? And you keep looking past the point that he's not using the same methods he used before. What he did in the past is in the past.
I'm not saying that there has not been valuable information in this thread, there surely has, but come on people, realize that people think differently. All of us understand that positive methods bring results. We are not out there hanging, helecoptering, beating, abusing our dogs. Even what RD said, withholding food from a dog and isolating it, is a not a positive training method in my mind. Starvation and isolation is a cruel way to treat an animal. Most of us have open minds about training, and I think we'll all agree that we love our dogs and want whats best for them, so why don't we all move on!
Doberluv mentioned the "20-40 years of experience training" that they apparently have. None of you have backed up your long career claims with any proof of your success. I'm not talking having your dog be a pet in your house, I'm talking titles, championships, etc in obedience. Melanie is the only one who has mentioned that she has had national champion level obedience dogs in her chows, and she's been one of the steadying voices throughout this discussion, not one of the instigators. The 2 main people who are talking down their noses at everyone, dr2little and doberluv, have not shown anything but a lot of negativity, pretty ironic for people who train with positive methods. What dogs have you titled? What obedience champions have you had? If you have trained thousands of dogs over many years surely you have had some success you can tell us about. And in 20-40 years, dr2little has seen only a couple dogs who are a 10 on the drive scale? Obviously not someone who works with high drive dogs very much, so how can you comment on a person like Frawley, who is in contact with more high drive dogs in a week than you have seen in your life? And you keep looking past the point that he's not using the same methods he used before. What he did in the past is in the past.
I'm not saying that there has not been valuable information in this thread, there surely has, but come on people, realize that people think differently. All of us understand that positive methods bring results. We are not out there hanging, helecoptering, beating, abusing our dogs. Even what RD said, withholding food from a dog and isolating it, is a not a positive training method in my mind. Starvation and isolation is a cruel way to treat an animal. Most of us have open minds about training, and I think we'll all agree that we love our dogs and want whats best for them, so why don't we all move on!
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