Denver Awarded Ban On Pit Bulls

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It's hard to believe that Denver is able to get away with something like this. I'll admit that I'm not the most trusting of Pit Bulls, but this is just ridiculous...
 

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like they dont have any other problems.....they should take care of their murderers and pedophiles etc first. a..holes!!!!
 

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It's easier to deal with problem animals than problem people, because no one has to worry about a lawsuit being filed about the unconstiutionalness(?) of a breed ban or euthanization order. If the people legal system followed what the animal legal system is, then blacks, mexicans, poor whites and any other race convicted of high violent crime rates would be outlawed and 'put down'. But that's not going to happen, thankfully, because we're taught from an early age that you don't judge a race on the actions of a few people. Too bad we don't apply the same rules to our four-legged companions.

Question and not one to offend the cat lovers among us: Why don't people raise more of a fuss over cat attacks? I bear more scars on my hands from angry cats than anything else, and I'm sure there are many other people out there who have miffed kitty stories, but there's never news bulletins calling for a breed ban on the Bengal or Abyssinians.
 

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Zoom you say it perfectly.
And yes, I have more scars and as of right now, very many scratches, on my hands and arms from cat bites and scratches. I am a cat owner and I love them to death, but da**it if those cats can't hurt you!!

PS. Just to clarify, Oreo nor Gracie have ever bitten me. :)
 
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You hit the nail on the head, Zoom! The sad thing is, there are still too many people out there who would just LOVE to institute a race based "breed ban" on humans. I have a suspicion that a lot of the people who support breed bans are among that number and the biggest reason they support the breed bans is because dogs are something they CAN enact bigot legislation against.
 

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Zoom said:
It's easier to deal with problem animals than problem people, because no one has to worry about a lawsuit being filed about the unconstiutionalness(?) of a breed ban or euthanization order. If the people legal system followed what the animal legal system is, then blacks, mexicans, poor whites and any other race convicted of high violent crime rates would be outlawed and 'put down'. But that's not going to happen, thankfully, because we're taught from an early age that you don't judge a race on the actions of a few people. Too bad we don't apply the same rules to our four-legged companions.

Question and not one to offend the cat lovers among us: Why don't people raise more of a fuss over cat attacks? I bear more scars on my hands from angry cats than anything else, and I'm sure there are many other people out there who have miffed kitty stories, but there's never news bulletins calling for a breed ban on the Bengal or Abyssinians.
They are also the worst to get bitten or scratched by. So I agree completely with what you just said. Very well-put.
 
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Denver is a home rule city. A judge that tried the libertarian candidate for governor for having a firearm stated that the Constitution of Colorado nor the Constitution of the United States are to be quoted in Denver courts. This ban is fear legislation blaming a party or object rather than holding people responsible. Just another case where we trade freedom for security and we end up with less freedom and no added security. Sort of like the war on booze, drugs and terror.
 

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OMG I honestly never thought that ban bs would start in the U.S.! It's so wrong, I don't understand how people can actually believe it will help, next thing ya know there will be Pit Bull bans everwhere and Rotties will be the next target for banning. Such bs.

Oh and there actually are places that ban Bengals, the entire state of Georgia being one.
 

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there will be Pit Bull bans everwhere and Rotties will be the next target for banning. Such bs.

Oh and there actually are places that ban Bengals, the entire state of Georgia being one.
Rotties, Dobes, and GSD's have all had their day in the shade in regards to BSL. I guess now it's the bully's turn and we'll see where we go from there. We're either going to find a new breed to demonize or start the circle over again. :(

Huh. I did not know that. My friend has a Bengal but it's a sweetie. The only time it's ever left marks on me is when it was lovingly chewing on my fingers.
 

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Completley ridiculous!

Breed Ban isn't the answer. Now, I can see them requiring a "permit" to have a dog period. THAT makes sense to me!.....that helps insure you won't abuse the right to own a dog.

I didn't know Pits were banned in Miami and Cincinatti(sp?)!

Any one know where I can find a complete list of where you CAN'T have a pit looking dog?
 

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You mean like a license? Like the one you have to drive a car? That does what? makes people safe and responsible drivers? Keeps cars from being stolen...Permits and other paper work that say "The government gives you permission to do XXXXX" Is just another way to steal our money and fix nothing.
 

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If you had to go through a dog training certification class that costs money, buy a license that costs money, go through a dog care class, that also costs money, yes, I think people would think twice about getting a dog!

It doesn't exactly ENSURE anything, but who the hell wants to pay for all that....and they money should go to animal shelters and rescues. I know I'd pay for it every year or two to own a dog....but I know some people would say "to he*l with it."

What does breed ban do? NOTHING. It ruins it for all the good dogs and responsible owners/breeders out there. It takes good dogs from their homes. Good dogs that will most likely end up being put down when they should be putting down people-aggressive dogs. Punish the people, not the dogs. There are WAY more dangerous dogs out there than pit bulls. Why aren't they banning them!? And why aren't they arresting irresponsible owners!? Because they are WIMPS and this is the "easiest" way out for the gov and the completley ignorant people in society that know NOTHING about dogs, let alone pit bulls and pit looking dogs.
 

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If you had to go through a dog training certification class that costs money, buy a license that costs money, go through a dog care class, that also costs money, yes, I think people would think twice about getting a dog!

It doesn't exactly ENSURE anything, but who the hell wants to pay for all that....and they money should go to animal shelters and rescues. I know I'd pay for it every year or two to own a dog....but I know some people would say "to he*l with it."

What does breed ban do? NOTHING. It ruins it for all the good dogs and responsible owners/breeders out there. It takes good dogs from their homes. Good dogs that will most likely end up being put down when they should be putting down people-aggressive dogs. Punish the people, not the dogs. There are WAY more dangerous dogs out there than pit bulls. Why aren't they banning them!? And why aren't they arresting irresponsible owners!? Because they are WIMPS and this is the "easiest" way out for the gov and the completley ignorant people in society that know NOTHING about dogs, let alone pit bulls and pit looking dogs.[/QUOTE

I certainly agree that the ban does nothing. I am however against restricting dog ownership to people with surplus cash. I have known poor folks that were great dog owners and that money would go better in their pockets. Why should people who dont breed irresponsibly have to pay for shelters? Maybe you think that money is a great cause but what about those people who dont think it is a great cause? I have seen government licensed people drive completely insane the paper doesnt help. I have seen government certified firearms safety instructers who are just an accident waiting to happen. The responsibility is in the hands of the owner or at least IMO should be...not an agency. If people are irresponsible without the paper work they will be irresponsible with the paper work as well, no matter how much money they have.
 

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I certainly agree that the ban does nothing. I am however against restricting dog ownership to people with surplus cash. I have known poor folks that were great dog owners and that money would go better in their pockets. Why should people who dont breed irresponsibly have to pay for shelters? Maybe you think that money is a great cause but what about those people who dont think it is a great cause? I have seen government licensed people drive completely insane the paper doesnt help. I have seen government certified firearms safety instructers who are just an accident waiting to happen. The responsibility is in the hands of the owner or at least IMO should be...not an agency. If people are irresponsible without the paper work they will be irresponsible with the paper work as well, no matter how much money they have.
You make a good point. I'm slightly reconsidering the license idea, but I really don't know what else they can do. Breed ban in the STUPIDEST idea ever! They need to reconsider what they are doing, and stop trying to take the "easy" way out. Speed, marijuana, crack, ect....all illegal, but still being smuggled and sold....that will be the same for "illegal" banned breeds. I think it will make it worse! Think about it....people get off doing illegal things because it's such a rush and it's against the law. Now what will come of these wonderful dogs?
 

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I wish I had that answer. The only answer that I have however, is that government (any government) doesnt work, so the smaller it is the less messed up things are. As I have mentioned in other places I think a ban is a sure fire way of increasing the profitability of these dogs and that is scary to me. Educating people one at a time would be the best bet I think. Dont refuse to talk to people because they hate <X dog breed> instead make sure that they know that when they vote for this type of legislation what they are really voting for. I have made many friends out of folks who would have been willing to have me jailed just because I am a firearms owner.
 

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