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Dropping in quick here.

No jail for man in bus beheading - Americas- msnbc.com

This makes me sick.

Sick of my Country. Sick of our justice system. Just plain sick.

This guy stabbed a man repeatedly, 50.. 60 times. Cut off his head. Cut off his ear and other parts of his face and put them in a bag on a ****ing Greyhound bus!

What does he get?

No Jail time. None. Zilch. Nada.

Going to a mental institution and will be reevaluated annually for release back into public.



What's scary is that I could go out and murder somebody right now and likely get off free; that is scary.
 

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Didn't this happen quite some time ago? I remember posting this same thing several months ago.
 
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The actual crime happened several months back. It was a hot topic here for a while.

Hopefully he'll be kept in the mental institution for a long, long time. I don't believe anyone that commits a crime that heinous should ever be a candidate for being "released" back into civilization.
 

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I would be fine with him staying in a mental institution vs Jail (he does seem sick) but I don't think he should be let loose again.
 

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I've posted before about how the insanity defense is a good thing, and not a way to "get away with" something. (see the thread about Caylee's Mom, who is NOT insane). Now, I don't know all that much about what the rules are in Canada. However, lets think about this. A guy who had never been violent before commits a spectacularly violent, totally random crime, then asks the judge to give him the death penalty. Not only does that sound like someone with serious problems, appearently the evaluations came out that way too.

From the article, he seems to be schizophrenic and had a psychotic break where he believed the young man next to him was evil and he was acting in self defense. This is a pretty classic case of the insanity defense: someone doing something totally nonsensical and incredibly violent for no discernable reason to the rest of us, and a totally irrational reason from their perspective.

Mental institutions are not more "fun" than prison, in fact, they are much worse by all accounts I've heard . . . to the point where people who did successfuly fake insanity beg to go to prision instead. As for the yearly reviews, I doubt he'll be getting out any time soon . . . they rarely let such people go, because they can't be trusted to take their medication. But the insanity defense is ancient . . . its not some new, "liberal" reason to let people go . . . its literally thousands of years old. People who are truely, honestly, insane, who think that they are defending themselves, who don't know what they do is wrong, who don't know what they are doing at all, who can't stop themselves because they aren't in the same reality as the rest of us, are not punished. That would be cruel. They are just kept somewhere where they can't hurt themselves on any one else. And, if they get better, if they are now stable and safe, they are permitted to rejoin society. To do anything else would just be malicious . . . a desire to punish for the sake of punishing, not because the person is necessarily deserving of punishing (see the old thread for the case of the woman who shot her aunt). I have seen real mental illness . . . people suffering it are not evil, they are not criminals, but they are very, very sick and sometimes very dangerous.

Now, I don't know the details of this case all that well, but it sounds pretty classic to me. He clearly needs treatment. MEntal institutions aren't fun. And I really doubt they'll be letting him out any time soon . . . he's shown his particular problems can lead to random violence, and they probably won't risk a treatment failure.

As for going out an murdering someone and getting away with it . . . good luck with that. At least in the States, it is hard to pull off the insanity defense, the prosecution will try everything to make sure that you don't get it (whether you are crazy or not), and if you DO pull it off, I don't think you'll like the institution for the criminally insane. It is very hard to fake real insanity . . . very, very hard. Heck, its hard for the actually insane (or more correctly their attorneys) to convince people that they are . . . especially when everyone wants to make sure they don't "get away with it."
 

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Very good post Lil. I often think the desire to 'punish' often makes people over look justice.
 

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Very good post Lil. I often think the desire to 'punish' often makes people over look justice.
I think that is a very good point Dekka.

I think many people feel it 'seems' like everyone is always concerned with the 'criminal' and overlook the victim and the victim's family in cases like this..........it makes people angry IMO. They can envision it happening to them, their son/daughter/cousin/mother, etc..........and therefore turns it into something almost personal. When that happens, justice flies out the window.

I personally am in favor of the death penalty. That doesn't mean I want to see it handed down for every murder case, or tossed around too "lightly" There are lots of variables to consider when making a decision like that. Ultimately though, there ARE some people that cannot be rehabilitated through meds or therapy. The people who plan and carry out murders who are in complete control of their faculties and know full well what they are doing........THOSE are the type of people that need to go. They will always be a threat to society in general and then it becomes "what's the use in keeping them around to suffer in institutions for their whole life?"
 

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I just don't truly believe that any evaluation can guarantee that he won't have another episode after he is released.

I mean I do think he needs to be in a mental health facility no question about it. But they cannot guarantee that he will be cured for life. He was living a normal life before this incident... so he goes back to being "normal" and they release him... but can they guarantee that he will not have another psychotic break? I don't see how they can be 100% certain of that. THAT is my issue.

He is going to go back to a normal life like before but then something could set him off and cause another psychotic break and another life will be lost. How many people should be allowed to die at the hands of a sick man?

I do not believe Jail is the place for this man but I also do not believe society is the place for this man either.
 

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