CA Manditory Spay/Neuter Bill
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I agree that the the reason for the catch 22 is there on purpose and that is extremely unfortunate.
Back to the BYB, puppymill and pet store thing. Yes they do sell a ton of animals to pet stores, but if they couldn't sell them there they would sell them themselves anyways. Closing down pet stores will not stop BYB'ers and puppymills from breeding. Sorry.
Also I know how the HSUS and PETA is and trust me I don't like them very much. If they are the ones behind this then I understand where you are coming from. I don't know much about since I am way up north here. I am just saying that I would be for something like this if done properly and I am not an ARA and I don't want people to not be able to own dogs. I do think it should be more difficult for people to get animals though.
Back to the BYB, puppymill and pet store thing. Yes they do sell a ton of animals to pet stores, but if they couldn't sell them there they would sell them themselves anyways. Closing down pet stores will not stop BYB'ers and puppymills from breeding. Sorry.
Also I know how the HSUS and PETA is and trust me I don't like them very much. If they are the ones behind this then I understand where you are coming from. I don't know much about since I am way up north here. I am just saying that I would be for something like this if done properly and I am not an ARA and I don't want people to not be able to own dogs. I do think it should be more difficult for people to get animals though.
It's like this: instead of making it difficult for the RESPONSIBLE dog people, the gov't needs to make it MORE difficult and COSTLY for the puppy millers and brokers that SUPPLY the pet stores. These folks (99%) sell directly to brokers like the (gag) Hunte Corporation, who distributes to the pet shops.
I don't have all of the answers, but this one is a more sensible start.
I've been in dogs for 15 years, I've seen my breed here in the states go from one of the most popular breeds to not even on the top breeds list. (thank God!) The breed club worked darn hard at EDUCATING the public on ownership and breeding. EDUCATION...
Even when I get tired of hearing myself talking to yet another determined wanna be Rottie owner/breeder (i.e...those that have NO CLUE as to what that entails!), I keep right on talking OWNER RESPONSIBILITY!
There is NO easy answer. There isn't a cure all solution. But as long as the ARs live and breathe and pump their propaganda into the media and at lawmakers (WHO ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS!), the RESPONSIBLE dog owners and breeders are in danger of becoming extinct.
So why are lawmakers so fast to jump on the mandatory s/n bandwagon??? Because they want to "appease" their constituents....they want to hush the outcry of the public over the pet situation...BUT , they themselves HAVE NO CLUE (and most DON'T CARE!), so, here comes the "white knights"...the ARs.
"All you have to do, Mr Mayor, is push thru mandatory spay/neuter, make it more costly to live here and own a dog, and PRESTO! "...
They are all too eager to accept the "help" from (gag) knowlegeable, caring (puke), animal folks!
And there ya go, say bye bye to well bred dogs. All that will be left in abundance is the byb puppies and the pet stores. So, why don't the ARs go after the pet brokers/millers/??? Because they know they could NEVER force legislation thru that easily cuz let me tell ya, the pet trade industry is wealthy! The Hunte Corp for example, has received funding from the USDA....to the tune of a couple hundred thousand. Therefore, the ARs stand a better chance of pulling the wool over "the average Joe pet owner" than tackling the massive puppy flesh industry.
ONe way or another, their ultimate GOAL is to end pet ownership.
I loathe and dispise them all....if they REALLY want to help animals, let ol' Ingrid Newkirk and Wayne Pascelle test the next batch of tainted pet food.
I don't have all of the answers, but this one is a more sensible start.
I've been in dogs for 15 years, I've seen my breed here in the states go from one of the most popular breeds to not even on the top breeds list. (thank God!) The breed club worked darn hard at EDUCATING the public on ownership and breeding. EDUCATION...
Even when I get tired of hearing myself talking to yet another determined wanna be Rottie owner/breeder (i.e...those that have NO CLUE as to what that entails!), I keep right on talking OWNER RESPONSIBILITY!
There is NO easy answer. There isn't a cure all solution. But as long as the ARs live and breathe and pump their propaganda into the media and at lawmakers (WHO ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS!), the RESPONSIBLE dog owners and breeders are in danger of becoming extinct.
So why are lawmakers so fast to jump on the mandatory s/n bandwagon??? Because they want to "appease" their constituents....they want to hush the outcry of the public over the pet situation...BUT , they themselves HAVE NO CLUE (and most DON'T CARE!), so, here comes the "white knights"...the ARs.
"All you have to do, Mr Mayor, is push thru mandatory spay/neuter, make it more costly to live here and own a dog, and PRESTO! "...
They are all too eager to accept the "help" from (gag) knowlegeable, caring (puke), animal folks!
And there ya go, say bye bye to well bred dogs. All that will be left in abundance is the byb puppies and the pet stores. So, why don't the ARs go after the pet brokers/millers/??? Because they know they could NEVER force legislation thru that easily cuz let me tell ya, the pet trade industry is wealthy! The Hunte Corp for example, has received funding from the USDA....to the tune of a couple hundred thousand. Therefore, the ARs stand a better chance of pulling the wool over "the average Joe pet owner" than tackling the massive puppy flesh industry.
ONe way or another, their ultimate GOAL is to end pet ownership.
I loathe and dispise them all....if they REALLY want to help animals, let ol' Ingrid Newkirk and Wayne Pascelle test the next batch of tainted pet food.
Here is a thought and it boils down to the Kennel clubs promoting what they stand for. Responsible breeders . Proven and sound breeds. If they would stop issuing papers to breeders who mass produce and do not have confirmation it would slow it all down. I personally think they are the biggest contributors to puppy mills and BYbers. In order to get puppy papers one should have to show health testing. Confirmation and the like. How many puppy mills are going to go to that extreme to raise and sell pups ? or BYB ers ??? A good sound breeder will and does so they can stop it and choose not to because of the economic factor. They are making money off of it as well. Now I know a flaming may and most likely will come from this but I can prove that at least the Akc does not care. I owned a Boston Terrier that was AKC registered and knew for a fact it was 1/2 beagle I saw the breeding. I knew the people and that they used two registered dogs papers and got the litter papers and registered the mutts. I turned it in to the AKC and sent his pic too. Guess what nothing was done and the BYB kept right on breeding. The reason I owned the little guy is because the person that bought him for $ 800.00 wanted to breed BTs and no one liked how he looked so he was going to be put down. Like I say I knew all the people and was furious and more so when I gave proof to the AKC and nothing was done. They are the main reason we have puppy mills.
I don't think the AKC is the main reason, I think the main reason BYBs and puppy mills are around is just money. Everyone involved from all angles is just driven by greed, and that includes people at the AKC as well as the breeders and brokers and anyone making money off of these litters. I do agree the AKC should do something more about the registry but it's not likely to happen as long as people make money. That's the way everything in the world works. It's all driven by money.
Yes, I am a pessimist. lol
Yes, I am a pessimist. lol
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Well, you do not need a full set of teeth to compete in agility or obedience.
This is the LA county law which is a very good indicator of what the state law would be like.
http://animalcontrol.co.la.ca.us/cms1_045463.asp#TopOfPage
http://animalcontrol.co.la.ca.us/cms1_045498.asp#TopOfPage
With very little effort most breeders can meet at least one of the requirements. Almost anyone can join a local breed club or enter a dog in one of the many different competition types. Remember, you do not need to win, just participate and show a receipt to get the permit. It is a small price to pay to fight the BYBs and PMs.
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Here is the latest amended ver of this proposed bill.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1634_bill_20070417_amended_asm_v97.html
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it is not as bad as the AKC and others claim it to be. Expect it to be amended several more times to address most of your concerns as they are brought up before it will be passed. It is really not a bad bill.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1634_bill_20070417_amended_asm_v97.html
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it is not as bad as the AKC and others claim it to be. Expect it to be amended several more times to address most of your concerns as they are brought up before it will be passed. It is really not a bad bill.
AMEN!!!!!! :hail:
I support mandatory spay/neuter. I would like to see the age for spay/neuter raised in the CA bill, however. I do understand the point of making it four months, but I would like to see it raised to allow for dogs to start showing.
Education isn't working, and of course everyone thinks that they are ethical and doing it correctly and that they should be exempt. I believe the next step is legislation.
I also like the amendments that the Best Friends Animal Society has come up with:
I support mandatory spay/neuter. I would like to see the age for spay/neuter raised in the CA bill, however. I do understand the point of making it four months, but I would like to see it raised to allow for dogs to start showing.
Education isn't working, and of course everyone thinks that they are ethical and doing it correctly and that they should be exempt. I believe the next step is legislation.
I also like the amendments that the Best Friends Animal Society has come up with:
I am 100% for rescue and animal shelters. infact I am aspiring to become an animal control officer. In Los angeles there are 6 county animal shelters and they are all extremely high kill. Yet people goto pet stores and back yard breeders. There are so many people trying to save these animals but this bill is not going to do anything but punish the people breeding to better dogs. I love the idea of people getting educated, and making free spay and neuter clinics. I wouldn't vote for this, to many grey areas. I would however vote for something that would put tax dollars aside for free spay and neuters. Give people the freedom to choose what they want to do. But education is key, educate people about the positives, set up free spay and neuter clinics, and shut down puppymilling pet stores. That will make a big difference.