BC needs urgent rescue in Ontario
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To me "dominant aggressive" almost ALWAYS translates to "resource guarding", especially to someone inexperienced in dog behavior. People assume a dog growling when trying to be removed from furniture or a bed is being "dominant", but IMO they're resource guarding their comfortable spot.
Are you sure it's a good idea to ask your friend to get a video of this behavior? I think it would be best for the dog and whoever gets him in the future to avoid pushing him to a point where he becomes aggressive at all.
I'm starting to look for a foster dog right now. A 9 month old border collie with aggression issues is huge thing to take on. IF I think the aggressive behavior is primarily resource guarding and this is a dog I'd be comfortable handling and training...I would need to discuss it with my roommate (who is out-of-state for the next month) and make sure the dog would be able to come to work with me (dog day care) without causing problems with my coworkers, but if we could arrange transport (which would need to be from Canada --> US) and I do think the problems are something I could work with, I'm interested.
I also don't know how well this dog would do in an apartment....he would be at day care playing ball and with other dogs 3-5 days a week, getting a good long 1-2 hour walk or dog park (if he's able to do that) time on non-day-care days, plus 15-20 minute playtimes in my building's courtyard 2 or 3 times a day. Plus lots of training, and he could have interactive toys if I need to leave him home for an hour or two. If he had sporting dog potential or frisbee dog potential or even rally or obedience potential, I'd be very interested in starting foundations for that until he found a forever home.
Also, has he ever bitten anyone besides your friend?
Are you sure it's a good idea to ask your friend to get a video of this behavior? I think it would be best for the dog and whoever gets him in the future to avoid pushing him to a point where he becomes aggressive at all.
I'm starting to look for a foster dog right now. A 9 month old border collie with aggression issues is huge thing to take on. IF I think the aggressive behavior is primarily resource guarding and this is a dog I'd be comfortable handling and training...I would need to discuss it with my roommate (who is out-of-state for the next month) and make sure the dog would be able to come to work with me (dog day care) without causing problems with my coworkers, but if we could arrange transport (which would need to be from Canada --> US) and I do think the problems are something I could work with, I'm interested.
I also don't know how well this dog would do in an apartment....he would be at day care playing ball and with other dogs 3-5 days a week, getting a good long 1-2 hour walk or dog park (if he's able to do that) time on non-day-care days, plus 15-20 minute playtimes in my building's courtyard 2 or 3 times a day. Plus lots of training, and he could have interactive toys if I need to leave him home for an hour or two. If he had sporting dog potential or frisbee dog potential or even rally or obedience potential, I'd be very interested in starting foundations for that until he found a forever home.
Also, has he ever bitten anyone besides your friend?
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ETA: Since Zhucca has also shown interest in this dog, I'm not sure which of us would be a better option for him. I do have experience with handler aggression/resource guarding and other types of human aggression (though only with one dog, but if this dog is as aggressive as strangers unprovoked as Milo I will not be able to take him, I did make tremendous progress). I also have experience with training outside of obedience with a lot of other dogs but that's only been dog to dog aggression, barking, SA, obsessive behaviors, and resource guarding/inappropriate protective behavior/fear aggression, not general human aggression.
However, if the owner/friend/Zhucca decides Zhucca has a better set-up (yard, etc.) and that's important to the dog's rehab (especially if he would be unreliable to walk past strangers or it would be difficult to get him used to a basket muzzle for walks), she might be a better choice.
However, if the owner/friend/Zhucca decides Zhucca has a better set-up (yard, etc.) and that's important to the dog's rehab (especially if he would be unreliable to walk past strangers or it would be difficult to get him used to a basket muzzle for walks), she might be a better choice.
You definitely have more experience than I do with behaviour modifiction (the resource guarding I dealt with was pretty mild towards humans, volatile towards dogs.) I have a moderate sized house with a medium sized yard. I think the ideal would be someone experienced however I think I'm pretty well off for someone dogless. I can provide pretty much the same amount of exercise as you, with the daycare, daily offleash walks and also mental stimulation. I'm down with helping out (can even do a leg of transport, unlike the situation with Reggin), but closer options should be explored before he gets transported straight across Canada. Where do you live Milo?
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I live in NYC...and could probably drive all the way to get him, could definitely drive to Syracuse or Rochester.
Edit: Windsor is ALL the way south in Ontario. So I could probably drive across PA (to Youngstown, OH or somewhere west PA, if someone could transport him through Ohio....).
I live in a VERY small apartment. No yard, but my building does have a fenced in courtyard where he could have some off-leash in the morning and before bed to potty and play for a little bit. It's not huge, maybe like 25x25 feet?
If he wouldn't be able to come to day care with me because of his aggression, I definitely don't think he'd get enough exercise with me. Especially if he's not dog-park capable (and it doesn't sound like something I'd chance, at least not with some training/evaluation first), he wouldn't get much off-leash time at all.
Edit: Windsor is ALL the way south in Ontario. So I could probably drive across PA (to Youngstown, OH or somewhere west PA, if someone could transport him through Ohio....).
I live in a VERY small apartment. No yard, but my building does have a fenced in courtyard where he could have some off-leash in the morning and before bed to potty and play for a little bit. It's not huge, maybe like 25x25 feet?
If he wouldn't be able to come to day care with me because of his aggression, I definitely don't think he'd get enough exercise with me. Especially if he's not dog-park capable (and it doesn't sound like something I'd chance, at least not with some training/evaluation first), he wouldn't get much off-leash time at all.
If I take in any dog it has to be daycare capable too since I'm gone for 9hrs a day. I don't think it's a good idea to bring a dog to daycare every day, but for a bored border collie it would definitely be much more ideal than staying at home. Most of the off leash options are dog parks here, but there's a few areas that are good for an offleash romp.
Definitely need to wait on information.
Definitely need to wait on information.
Ok I have some more info here everyone. 
The issues with Charlie started about 2 months ago at 7 months. He has been to the vet, and had his thyroid checked, but the vet doesn't believes for the most part, this is behavioral, not medical. And no in depth testing has been done on this, the vet believes Charlie may be partially blind in one eye (his blue eye). He also appears to have anxiety, but I believe that's more than likely from not having enough exercise and being couped up.
He's not aggressive towards strangers, but he does show different reactions to different people. Sometimes he is excitable/friendly right from the get go, other times (less often), he is wary at first but warms up after a few minutes.
Warnings before bites - I've been told yes, but that they are sometimes subtle. I personally believe the signs were there in bold to someone who knows dog body language, but my friend being unfamiliar/inexperienced with dogs in general, may not have clued in on them.
He has bit my friend 4 times, 3 of those times were single bites due to food aggression (which a trainer had been working with him on), resource guarding
and one time to my friend accidentally kicking him. She went to kick his toy and he charged in to get it as she kicked it. He bit her when she went to "comfort" and give him a treat.
The 4th bite was the bad one. There had just been an argument over Charlie (he was barking in his x-pen and my friends parents had flipped out about it screaming at her to shut him up). She went over and tried to work on some clicker training with him to give him some stimulation hoping it would calm him down and tried to put him into the "relaxed position" her trainer had told her about. Back turned to her, she walked up behind him and he turned and bit. This time he bit twice, not just once. The one bite did draw blood and was quite deep, though she didn't receive stitches for it.
He has only bit my friend, and nipped twice at one of the trainers during a session.
I should also mention that unaware to my friend of the consequences of it, she has pinned him down at least two of the times he bit her. I'm not sure if it was her way/idea of trying to establish dominance or if it was simply all she could think to do after being bit. Maybe to prevent him biting her a second time. Obviously it hasn't helped matters.
Anyway, I don't believe this is rage syndrome or that he's and unstable dog. I think a combination of stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, being couped up and if he "is" partially blind in one eye have turned a would be awesome dog into what he has become. And I don't think it's time to give up on him.
The issues with Charlie started about 2 months ago at 7 months. He has been to the vet, and had his thyroid checked, but the vet doesn't believes for the most part, this is behavioral, not medical. And no in depth testing has been done on this, the vet believes Charlie may be partially blind in one eye (his blue eye). He also appears to have anxiety, but I believe that's more than likely from not having enough exercise and being couped up.
He's not aggressive towards strangers, but he does show different reactions to different people. Sometimes he is excitable/friendly right from the get go, other times (less often), he is wary at first but warms up after a few minutes.
Warnings before bites - I've been told yes, but that they are sometimes subtle. I personally believe the signs were there in bold to someone who knows dog body language, but my friend being unfamiliar/inexperienced with dogs in general, may not have clued in on them.
He has bit my friend 4 times, 3 of those times were single bites due to food aggression (which a trainer had been working with him on), resource guarding
and one time to my friend accidentally kicking him. She went to kick his toy and he charged in to get it as she kicked it. He bit her when she went to "comfort" and give him a treat.
The 4th bite was the bad one. There had just been an argument over Charlie (he was barking in his x-pen and my friends parents had flipped out about it screaming at her to shut him up). She went over and tried to work on some clicker training with him to give him some stimulation hoping it would calm him down and tried to put him into the "relaxed position" her trainer had told her about. Back turned to her, she walked up behind him and he turned and bit. This time he bit twice, not just once. The one bite did draw blood and was quite deep, though she didn't receive stitches for it.
He has only bit my friend, and nipped twice at one of the trainers during a session.
I should also mention that unaware to my friend of the consequences of it, she has pinned him down at least two of the times he bit her. I'm not sure if it was her way/idea of trying to establish dominance or if it was simply all she could think to do after being bit. Maybe to prevent him biting her a second time. Obviously it hasn't helped matters.
Anyway, I don't believe this is rage syndrome or that he's and unstable dog. I think a combination of stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, being couped up and if he "is" partially blind in one eye have turned a would be awesome dog into what he has become. And I don't think it's time to give up on him.
Ok I have some more info here everyone.
The issues with Charlie started about 2 months ago at 7 months. He has been to the vet, and had his thyroid checked, but the vet doesn't believes for the most part, this is behavioral, not medical. And no in depth testing has been done on this, the vet believes Charlie may be partially blind in one eye (his blue eye). He also appears to have anxiety, but I believe that's more than likely from not having enough exercise and being couped up.
He's not aggressive towards strangers, but he does show different reactions to different people. Sometimes he is excitable/friendly right from the get go, other times (less often), he is wary at first but warms up after a few minutes.
Warnings before bites - I've been told yes, but that they are sometimes subtle. I personally believe the signs were there in bold to someone who knows dog body language, but my friend being unfamiliar/inexperienced with dogs in general, may not have clued in on them.
He has bit my friend 4 times, 3 of those times were single bites due to food aggression (which a trainer had been working with him on), resource guarding
and one time to my friend accidentally kicking him. She went to kick his toy and he charged in to get it as she kicked it. He bit her when she went to "comfort" and give him a treat.
The 4th bite was the bad one. There had just been an argument over Charlie (he was barking in his x-pen and my friends parents had flipped out about it screaming at her to shut him up). She went over and tried to work on some clicker training with him to give him some stimulation hoping it would calm him down and tried to put him into the "relaxed position" her trainer had told her about. Back turned to her, she walked up behind him and he turned and bit. This time he bit twice, not just once. The one bite did draw blood and was quite deep, though she didn't receive stitches for it.
He has only bit my friend, and nipped twice at one of the trainers during a session.
I should also mention that unaware to my friend of the consequences of it, she has pinned him down at least two of the times he bit her. I'm not sure if it was her way/idea of trying to establish dominance or if it was simply all she could think to do after being bit. Maybe to prevent him biting her a second time. Obviously it hasn't helped matters.
Anyway, I don't believe this is rage syndrome or that he's and unstable dog. I think a combination of stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, being couped up and if he "is" partially blind in one eye have turned a would be awesome dog into what he has become. And I don't think it's time to give up on him.
The issues with Charlie started about 2 months ago at 7 months. He has been to the vet, and had his thyroid checked, but the vet doesn't believes for the most part, this is behavioral, not medical. And no in depth testing has been done on this, the vet believes Charlie may be partially blind in one eye (his blue eye). He also appears to have anxiety, but I believe that's more than likely from not having enough exercise and being couped up.
He's not aggressive towards strangers, but he does show different reactions to different people. Sometimes he is excitable/friendly right from the get go, other times (less often), he is wary at first but warms up after a few minutes.
Warnings before bites - I've been told yes, but that they are sometimes subtle. I personally believe the signs were there in bold to someone who knows dog body language, but my friend being unfamiliar/inexperienced with dogs in general, may not have clued in on them.
He has bit my friend 4 times, 3 of those times were single bites due to food aggression (which a trainer had been working with him on), resource guarding
and one time to my friend accidentally kicking him. She went to kick his toy and he charged in to get it as she kicked it. He bit her when she went to "comfort" and give him a treat.
The 4th bite was the bad one. There had just been an argument over Charlie (he was barking in his x-pen and my friends parents had flipped out about it screaming at her to shut him up). She went over and tried to work on some clicker training with him to give him some stimulation hoping it would calm him down and tried to put him into the "relaxed position" her trainer had told her about. Back turned to her, she walked up behind him and he turned and bit. This time he bit twice, not just once. The one bite did draw blood and was quite deep, though she didn't receive stitches for it.
He has only bit my friend, and nipped twice at one of the trainers during a session.
I should also mention that unaware to my friend of the consequences of it, she has pinned him down at least two of the times he bit her. I'm not sure if it was her way/idea of trying to establish dominance or if it was simply all she could think to do after being bit. Maybe to prevent him biting her a second time. Obviously it hasn't helped matters.
Anyway, I don't believe this is rage syndrome or that he's and unstable dog. I think a combination of stress/anxiety, lack of exercise, being couped up and if he "is" partially blind in one eye have turned a would be awesome dog into what he has become. And I don't think it's time to give up on him.
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After hearing that, I am confident I could work with him. If I look for another home, it might be kind of tough, because I wouldn't feel comfortable putting him in a home with children at all, and I'd want to see him go to someone with at least some experience or knowledge about these issues, in case something would happen in his new home to set him back at all. That said, if I do take him I will be willing to take him back if a forever home doesn't work out after he is placed, and I am willing to foster as long as it takes to find him a suitable home.
I already PMed you....I am going to ask my roommate about it in the morning but I'm confident he'll be happy to have Charlie around. I also need to check with my landlord but this is a very pet-friendly building and I don't think that will be a problem either. BritishBandit, if everything works out with the landlord/roommate, Charlie's owner/current caretaker agrees, and if you can hold onto him for about a week, we can try to arrange transport for early next week (Sun or Mon, Tues at the latest).
I already PMed you....I am going to ask my roommate about it in the morning but I'm confident he'll be happy to have Charlie around. I also need to check with my landlord but this is a very pet-friendly building and I don't think that will be a problem either. BritishBandit, if everything works out with the landlord/roommate, Charlie's owner/current caretaker agrees, and if you can hold onto him for about a week, we can try to arrange transport for early next week (Sun or Mon, Tues at the latest).
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Out of curiosity, why? I definitely don't think a dog-park situation is a good idea, but if he isn't aggressive towards other animals or randomly going into rages where he attacks people, why would being around experienced, trained handlers and other (temperament tested) dogs without anything to guard be a problem?
Another question: Has the dog ever been around numerous other dogs at once, like to a dog park or on a multi-dog playdate?
Another question: Has the dog ever been around numerous other dogs at once, like to a dog park or on a multi-dog playdate?
I could understand that thought. He seems to be quick to bite (although understandable when in put into an alpha roll..) which could get him into trouble at a daycare/dog park. However some dogs are much more patient with dogs. Since he's already understimulated, the potential to rise his anxiety could increase by being in the daycare. Border Collies, at least in my experience, aren't usually the best canidates for daycare (most that come to mine just end up obsessively herding playing dogs and nip heels, cept one.) but then again, most aren't being exercised or stimulated properly.
Yet, I don't see why you use such strong words. Charlie is a young, bored dog whose answers seem relatively clear. He could very well flourish in a daycare setting while having Milo (or myself, should it blow my way) right there to guide him. Also, unsure which dog parks you're used to, but the dog parks in my city are pretty expansive, deserted in the morning, and usually pretty good. Strange dogs are a gamble.. but I've always been pro dog park.
Yet, I don't see why you use such strong words. Charlie is a young, bored dog whose answers seem relatively clear. He could very well flourish in a daycare setting while having Milo (or myself, should it blow my way) right there to guide him. Also, unsure which dog parks you're used to, but the dog parks in my city are pretty expansive, deserted in the morning, and usually pretty good. Strange dogs are a gamble.. but I've always been pro dog park.
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I wouldn't want to bring him to a dog park because a lot of people bring toys/food for their dogs there, and are quick to grab at someone else's dog if it's playing with theirs or something.
I can definitely see where this dog could get overstimulated in a day care environment. I'm out of school for the next month, so will have ample time to exercise him when I'm not working (I can bring him on a long line to central park and he can run around in some fields and play ball and stuff there). When I do bring him to day care, I'll make sure it's on a quiet day...I can also always stop in when I'm not working to give him short, positive experiences there. Once we work up to him coming to work with me, I will have the option of letting him hang out in an office with one of my bosses, in the lobby with the secretaries, or (if it's not too scary) letting him chill out in the grooming room. I'd also be able to walk him home on my break (I live two blocks from work) after he gets some playtime, if I think spending 5 hours there will be too much. My coworkers are all, for the most part, knowledgeable about behavior, warning signals, etc.
I can definitely see where this dog could get overstimulated in a day care environment. I'm out of school for the next month, so will have ample time to exercise him when I'm not working (I can bring him on a long line to central park and he can run around in some fields and play ball and stuff there). When I do bring him to day care, I'll make sure it's on a quiet day...I can also always stop in when I'm not working to give him short, positive experiences there. Once we work up to him coming to work with me, I will have the option of letting him hang out in an office with one of my bosses, in the lobby with the secretaries, or (if it's not too scary) letting him chill out in the grooming room. I'd also be able to walk him home on my break (I live two blocks from work) after he gets some playtime, if I think spending 5 hours there will be too much. My coworkers are all, for the most part, knowledgeable about behavior, warning signals, etc.
Has he ever been around many other dogs with toys? Treats? Leashes coming out? Little dogs? High stimulation enviroments? Even if there isn't 'anything to gaurd' there can always be something to gaurd. A good smell. A dead bug. A pile of poop, even. Never think, for a reasource gaurder, there isn't anything to gaurd.
I think you need to evaluate this dog for yourself before you put him in a situation where he can fail.
You mention fields. Are they fenced? If not, are you prepared to deal with car obsession?
I know I probably sound like I don't have any hope for this dog, exactly opposite of this though. I've dealt with each of these things and I don't find reasource gaurding to be 'just lack of exercise'.
I know you've both said exercise exercise but you have to be careful. If you exercise and exercise with a Border Collie it will just become obsessive and won't fix the problem. You need to work through the problem. Like many owners have said, you can throw a ball for an hour but 10 minutes of -mental- stimulation will do what hours of physical exercise can do.
I'm just saying it's all about balance. Hours and hours of walking and running isn't going to cure the problem, I don't think. It may help hide it in the corner, but not completely get rid of it.
Anywhoo, just my opinion of the situation (which is always subject to change since I haven't seen the dog in person) based on my experience with the breed and reasource gaurding. I hope for the sake of the dog, everything work out like you think it will.
I think you need to evaluate this dog for yourself before you put him in a situation where he can fail.
You mention fields. Are they fenced? If not, are you prepared to deal with car obsession?
I know I probably sound like I don't have any hope for this dog, exactly opposite of this though. I've dealt with each of these things and I don't find reasource gaurding to be 'just lack of exercise'.
I know you've both said exercise exercise but you have to be careful. If you exercise and exercise with a Border Collie it will just become obsessive and won't fix the problem. You need to work through the problem. Like many owners have said, you can throw a ball for an hour but 10 minutes of -mental- stimulation will do what hours of physical exercise can do.
I'm just saying it's all about balance. Hours and hours of walking and running isn't going to cure the problem, I don't think. It may help hide it in the corner, but not completely get rid of it.
Anywhoo, just my opinion of the situation (which is always subject to change since I haven't seen the dog in person) based on my experience with the breed and reasource gaurding. I hope for the sake of the dog, everything work out like you think it will.
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Has he ever been around many other dogs with toys? Treats? Leashes coming out? Little dogs? High stimulation enviroments? Even if there isn't 'anything to gaurd' there can always be something to gaurd. A good smell. A dead bug. A pile of poop, even. Never think, for a reasource gaurder, there isn't anything to gaurd.
I think you need to evaluate this dog for yourself before you put him in a situation where he can fail.
You mention fields. Are they fenced? If not, are you prepared to deal with car obsession?
I know I probably sound like I don't have any hope for this dog, exactly opposite of this though. I've dealt with each of these things and I don't find reasource gaurding to be 'just lack of exercise'.
I know you've both said exercise exercise but you have to be careful. If you exercise and exercise with a Border Collie it will just become obsessive and won't fix the problem. You need to work through the problem. Like many owners have said, you can throw a ball for an hour but 10 minutes of -mental- stimulation will do what hours of physical exercise can do.
I'm just saying it's all about balance. Hours and hours of walking and running isn't going to cure the problem, I don't think. It may help hide it in the corner, but not completely get rid of it.
Anywhoo, just my opinion of the situation (which is always subject to change since I haven't seen the dog in person) based on my experience with the breed and reasource gaurding. I hope for the sake of the dog, everything work out like you think it will.
I think you need to evaluate this dog for yourself before you put him in a situation where he can fail.
You mention fields. Are they fenced? If not, are you prepared to deal with car obsession?
I know I probably sound like I don't have any hope for this dog, exactly opposite of this though. I've dealt with each of these things and I don't find reasource gaurding to be 'just lack of exercise'.
I know you've both said exercise exercise but you have to be careful. If you exercise and exercise with a Border Collie it will just become obsessive and won't fix the problem. You need to work through the problem. Like many owners have said, you can throw a ball for an hour but 10 minutes of -mental- stimulation will do what hours of physical exercise can do.
I'm just saying it's all about balance. Hours and hours of walking and running isn't going to cure the problem, I don't think. It may help hide it in the corner, but not completely get rid of it.
Anywhoo, just my opinion of the situation (which is always subject to change since I haven't seen the dog in person) based on my experience with the breed and reasource gaurding. I hope for the sake of the dog, everything work out like you think it will.
I wouldn't run/exercise this dog for hours and bring him and home and assume he isn't going to guard or have behavioral problems. If that was the case, he would be fine in a much less experienced, but more active, home. I'd start him on NILIF, we'll be doing a lot of work with higher-value trades and rewards for allowing people to approach him while he had food or toys, I'd be making sure he doesn't get the chance to grab something he shouldn't have and if he does, I'll be prepared to work slowly to trade or distract him until he feels comfortable giving up whatever he's got. He wouldn't be permitted on the furniture without permission, and I'd be teaching him a solid "off" command and placement training in case he did decide to guard his space in the future.
As far as guarding things in day-care, we have no toys, no treats, the small and large dogs are occasionally mixed in the morning and evening when we're cleaning but there are a few big/little dogs we don't like to mix and those dogs are crated or allowed to hang out while we're cleaning or they wait in the lobby or office or grooming room. I've asked more questions about whether or not the dog has been in multi-dog or high stimulation environments, so we'll see. The dogs at my day care are never put on leashes while they're together. There is very little chance of a dead bug or anything so interesting being around...the only thing he could try and guard would be a pile of poop or a clump of dog hair. It could happen, but is fairly unlikely.
No, the fields aren't fenced which is why I'd have the dog on a long line....and there is no way he could see or hear any cars from the field, and yes, I would be prepared to deal with car obsession and have dealt with it before.
I agree very strongly with Lizmo. This sounds to me like a dog with a lot of anxiety and insecurity, and a dog who has shown that he is willing to bite people. Multiple bites in one biting event is technically a Level 4 bite, and that's serious stuff. Yes, it was triggered by the owner doing something she shouldn't have, but it's still not something to be ignored.
Even in the best daycare, there's going to be more commotion than I think this dog should be asked to deal with right now. He needs somewhere calm to settle. Exercise is important, but I don't think it's the most important thing for this dog. He's had a lot of stress in his life, is facing more, and a daycare situation is going to add yet more. I think that's setting him up to fail, and this dog really really needs to be protected from failing again.
You also don't really know what's going to trigger him to bite. Resources, yes, but not just resources. What if someone reaches down to pet him and he takes it the wrong way and nails them?
Down the road once you know him better, once he's had time to settle in, adjust, relax- fabulous. But right away? No.
Even in the best daycare, there's going to be more commotion than I think this dog should be asked to deal with right now. He needs somewhere calm to settle. Exercise is important, but I don't think it's the most important thing for this dog. He's had a lot of stress in his life, is facing more, and a daycare situation is going to add yet more. I think that's setting him up to fail, and this dog really really needs to be protected from failing again.
You also don't really know what's going to trigger him to bite. Resources, yes, but not just resources. What if someone reaches down to pet him and he takes it the wrong way and nails them?
Down the road once you know him better, once he's had time to settle in, adjust, relax- fabulous. But right away? No.