Aggressive Dog? [more idiot than aggressive tho]

[hadaro]

Hey, I have an idiot dog! D

Ok so.. it's like this:
He's a small dog, and well, he keeps charging and gargling at anyone that touch's him
Well, it's actually going by his mood, if he wanna bite and charge and attack etc. than he goes for it.. in some rare times he doesn't... very rare times.

I had this friend which she's very unique??? XD not in the retard meaning or something.. she just knows too much about dogs.
and of course i took the opportunity, asked her for help and she said that the dog just doesn't know who's the leader and who doesn't. he thinks he's the leader of the tribe
and I see it clearly! [dunno how he is, I can step on him and smash him like a small cute little insect]

For example, sometimes I just lay on a bed that he's on, and with the touch of my skin on the bed, he loves me so much he can just eat me up... i don't really want that...

Anyway, she told me that if I wanna change his stupid behavior I need to make like ground-rules if you may, like:
No dogs on bed!
No human's food!

And stuff like that, she said it's because that dogs came from wolves, and for example a leader has his own special place for sleep and doesn't share it with others so you can't share you bed with your dog... and also i notice how mad he gets when his on the bed...

Well in order to get help I'll write a few more things about him:

* Gargling NON-STOP!
* Like to attack and charge people
* His honor doesn't allowe any touch on his belly. He'll get VERY VERY mad and just attack instantly
* If you pick him up, he will want to tear you're arm apart. =]

I told my parents im sick of it, and want a professional guy to take care of it.
and they don't have the money right now for it... [and my mom said they'll have it and to come back in 10 years to see how things going]

Well.. I hope i gave enough information to get help...
I'll also mention that I listened to her and didn't give him food or sleep on a bed with me and it didn't really change him.. just made him REALLY mad at me for not treating him like a king and surrender for any gargle he makes...

SO... Please help me guys.
hope to get an answer quickly [or you're all fired?]

C-Ya! =]

[I actually sent this in yahoo answers to get some help, here
and there are few problems...
we can't making him stop getting on a bed because theres's no way to block him from doing that and to put something to block in the entrence of the room is also impossible, my mom won't let me to.
and also, that friend i said about, told me also to take a longer walk with him... she assumed i take him out for a walk... i don't XD my dad takes him 2 minutes out so he can do his stuff and go back...
AND another thing over there a guy said that i need to make times for meals.. the problem is that he doesn't wanna eat his food... he seems afraid and when he does eat he sneaks so nobody will see...]

Thanks!

 

[corgipower]

and of course i took the opportunity, asked her for help and she said that the dog just doesn't know who's the leader and who doesn't. he thinks he's the leader of the tribe
and I see it clearly! [dunno how he is, I can step on him and smash him like a small cute little insect]

For example, sometimes I just lay on a bed that he's on, and with the touch of my skin on the bed, he loves me so much he can just eat me up... i don't really want that...

Anyway, she told me that if I wanna change his stupid behavior I need to make like ground-rules if you may, like:
No dogs on bed!
No human's food!

And stuff like that, she said it's because that dogs came from wolves, and for example a leader has his own special place for sleep and doesn't share it with others so you can't share you bed with your dog... and also i notice how mad he gets when his on the bed...

Your friend is wrong.
The whole wolf dominance theory has a lot of flaws in it to begin with, to try to apply that to dogs has even more flaws in it and it's all been disproven many times.

Well in order to get help I'll write a few more things about him:

* Gargling NON-STOP!
* Like to attack and charge people
* His honor doesn't allowe any touch on his belly. He'll get VERY VERY mad and just attack instantly
* If you pick him up, he will want to tear you're arm apart. =]

First thing I would do is a vet check. Especially check for soreness.

The next thing I would do is stop touching his belly and picking him up. Use treats to condition him to like physical contact - find a super special treat that he loves ~ you might need to use chicken or steak or cheese or hot dogs ~ and start out at a distance where he's comfortable (not "gargling") and toss them to him. Work up to being closer to him and eventually to being next to him. Then work on some brief light petting on parts of his body he's ok with. Work up to being able to touch him everywhere, always giving treats for allowing it and never pushing him to a point where he feels a need to get defensive.

Well.. I hope i gave enough information to get help...
I'll also mention that I listened to her and didn't give him food or sleep on a bed with me and it didn't really change him.. just made him REALLY mad at me for not treating him like a king and surrender for any gargle he makes...

Which should confirm my statement about her being wrong.

and there are few problems...
we can't making him stop getting on a bed because theres's no way to block him from doing that and to put something to block in the entrence of the room is also impossible, my mom won't let me to.

Can you crate him or use a leash and a flat collar and tie him to something?

and also, that friend i said about, told me also to take a longer walk with him... she assumed i take him out for a walk... i don't XD my dad takes him 2 minutes out so he can do his stuff and go back...

On this, your friend is correct. Two minutes to go out and potty and come in is seriously not enough. Depending on his breed/age/health/energy levels, I would try to get at least a couple 15 minute walks done every day.

AND another thing over there a guy said that i need to make times for meals.. the problem is that he doesn't wanna eat his food... he seems afraid and when he does eat he sneaks so nobody will see...]

For now, I would suggest not feeding him meals in a bowl at all and hand feeding him his daily food from throughout the day. If he sees that all good things come from people, he'll be less anxious and defensive around them.

 

[hadaro]

I shall responde in the same way

Your friend is wrong.
The whole wolf dominance theory has a lot of flaws in it to begin with, to try to apply that to dogs has even more flaws in it and it's all been disproven many times.

Wow, didn't know about that :O thanks for updating me dude
so what's his problem than?

First thing I would do is a vet check. Especially check for soreness

Done that.
well we actually did castration, tho im really really against that, doesn't matter to what, even dogs if it makes any sense, but if we haven't done that, 95% cancer (
Except that nothing's wrong with him...
besides that, i have him for few years and he's like 2 years like this.. it's crazy.. i hate him for 2 years O_O just sometimes i like him cuzz he's actually letting me touch him a bit.. XD so it's not like a wound that annoys him and make him angry [unless it doesn't heal by itself, but i don't think so.. he's always inside and we're really careful about him and his health... [my family always had dogs (and by the way its very strange, it never happend to us before) and all of us love dogs... except mom XD she just like this one for being small and white and cute [Maltese]].

The next thing I would do is stop touching his belly and picking him up.

yeah but sometimes we have to if he's interrupting...

Use treats to condition him to like physical contact - find a super special treat that he loves ~ you might need to use chicken or steak or cheese or hot dogs ~ and start out at a distance where he's comfortable (not "gargling") and toss them to him. Work up to being closer to him and eventually to being next to him. Then work on some brief light petting on parts of his body he's ok with. Work up to being able to touch him everywhere, always giving treats for allowing it and never pushing him to a point where he feels a need to get defensive.

genius dude!!
so i'll have to go with dog food everytime im in the house?
and buy a lot of it? (
(or there's a trick or something? XD don't think so but i don't take risk XD im lazy)

Can you crate him or use a leash and a flat collar and tie him to something?

i have a leash continue

On this, your friend is correct. Two minutes to go out and potty and come in is seriously not enough. Depending on his breed/age/health/energy levels, I would try to get at least a couple 15 minute walks done every day.

but most of the day im not in the house...
i wake up early and im back at night.
nobody else in my family wanna take care of him what can i do?

For now, I would suggest not feeding him meals in a bowl at all and hand feeding him his daily food from throughout the day. If he sees that all good things come from people, he'll be less anxious and defensive around them.

also genius!! thanks!!! i love you dude!

 

[Dekka]

Google NILIF a great program for teaching dogs that humans are great, and listening to them is a rewarding experience.

As for your friends ideas, CP is correct. As long as your dog has no medical problems its all about training.

 

[hadaro]

Google NILIF a great program for teaching dogs that humans are great, and listening to them is a rewarding experience.

As for your friends ideas, CP is correct. As long as your dog has no medical problems its all about training.

I love you guys!!!!!!!!! thank you very much, i'll check it out!

 

[corgipower]

so what's his problem than?

Hard to be sure without seeing it, but he sounds fearful and anxious.

Except that nothing's wrong with him...
besides that, i have him for few years and he's like 2 years like this..

How long have you had him? How old is he now?

i hate him for 2 years O_O

If you really do hate him, try not to. He can sense that kind of thing and it probably makes him feel more anxious. I know it can be trying sometimes, though and I don't know if you say this just as a vent or if it's really how you feel about the dog.

yeah but sometimes we have to if he's interrupting...

Have to pick him up? Interrupting what?

Probably something where training him to go to a mat would be helpful, or a down stay.

so i'll have to go with dog food everytime im in the house?

and buy a lot of it? (
(or there's a trick or something? XD don't think so but i don't take risk XD im lazy)

LOL
For now, yep, a lot of food. But over time, as long as you're consistent, you'll be able to use less. Keep in mind though, you use tiny pieces of food for rewards, so a little goes a long way.

i have a leash continue

Well, if you have a leash and a flat collar you could tie him to something to prevent him from reaching the bed. It's not always necessary to keep dogs off the bed, only if you don't want him there or if he's aggressive about the bed. It won't fix the aggression, but will prevent him from aggressing while you're trying to sleep (simply because he can't get there), which can sometimes be a good thing. It's up to you whether or not you want him on the bed though.

but most of the day im not in the house...
i wake up early and im back at night.
nobody else in my family wanna take care of him what can i do?

It would be nice if you could explain to the family that he needs training and exercise and have everyone on board to work with him. If they really won't take him for walks, can you get up 15 minutes earlier and walk him before leaving and them give him another 15 minute walk when you get home?

 

[hadaro]

Hard to be sure without seeing it, but he sounds fearful and anxious.

Well he sure is...

How long have you had him? How old is he now?

im not sure... maybe 4 years... he was so cute at the start we drove like 8 hours just to get him and paid a LOT for him and we got in a resturant with him because we were hungry on the way back and said to ourselves that he looks like a doll so let's take him! didn't work but we had premission anyway (not really... really bad workers over there XD).. well if it worked it would still be a fail... my mom's playing with dolls in a resturant (she held him XD)

EDIT:
He looked something like that when he was young:

and a lot smaller.. you could have hold him in only 1 hand if you've been using a tiny bit of your arm [when they're babies you can hold them only in your hand.. not kidding]

anyway back than he was SO CUTE and we could just be free with him.. eventually after like a year and a half i think he started gargling sometimes... we didn't know what to do so just ignored it and got mad... it continued and he started to gargle A LOT and than started to bite and was so annoying!!! and it's still that way.

If you really do hate him, try not to. He can sense that kind of thing and it probably makes him feel more anxious. I know it can be trying sometimes, though and I don't know if you say this just as a vent or if it's really how you feel about the dog.

hey yeh another friend told me about this guy that was a professional and he could come to dogs that attack the second you approach and they didn't touch him because he kept his mind that they're ok and stuff like that and they sensed it...

I tried a similiar thing... I just told him on my mind "You touch me - I kill you" XD I have to say it worked for a while LOL but I gave up on it.. im suppose to love the dog XD

Have to pick him up? Interrupting what?

Sometimes if his on the bed and interrupting.
or on a walk - he gets the passion and the desire to be a homeless

Probably something where training him to go to a mat would be helpful, or a down stay.

Well, I have to say I did try to teach him to sit...
hmm.. im new to this forum.. can you curse and swear non-stop?
he got me so bad XD he's like the ultimate retard dog.
I watched videos and saw there are 2 ways to do this...

1) hold a snack when he can see and wait for him to sit
he was killing me.. each time I had to wait for him like 10 minutes..
after a while it was sometimes 10 minutes and sometimes 5 seconds and he just killed my legs + got me very bored

2) take a snack close to his nose and take it over his head so he'll have to sit down...
and of course.. he just went backwards O_O the dog in the video didn't!!!
so I thought what could I do? I took him close to the wall so he couldn't go back... he went to the side XDDDD

I dunno if I can train him... he probably sensed that I hate him like you said and getting me back stupid dog T_T

LOL
For now, yep, a lot of food. But over time, as long as you're consistent, you'll be able to use less. Keep in mind though, you use tiny pieces of food for rewards, so a little goes a long way.

hmm and may i use human food etc.?
no, right?

Well, if you have a leash and a flat collar you could tie him to something to prevent him from reaching the bed. It's not always necessary to keep dogs off the bed, only if you don't want him there or if he's aggressive about the bed. It won't fix the aggression, but will prevent him from aggressing while you're trying to sleep (simply because he can't get there), which can sometimes be a good thing. It's up to you whether or not you want him on the bed though.

hey this is genius :O how come I never thought about it O_O
im bad with dogs XD

It would be nice if you could explain to the family that he needs training and exercise and have everyone on board to work with him. If they really won't take him for walks, can you get up 15 minutes earlier and walk him before leaving and them give him another 15 minute walk when you get home?

I have... they don't really care....
I got into a fight with them about it so many times.


PS: sorry im writting a lot I just want you to know more stuff about him so mayb you could know what should I do...

Behind the way, are you a professional or something? :O
you're REALLY smart about that....
even more than my friend i wrote about (hey no offense tho it's making me crazy, you people know about dogs more than i know about humans ><!)

 

[corgipower]

anyway back than he was SO CUTE and we could just be free with him.. eventually after like a year and a half i think he started gargling sometimes... we didn't know what to do so just ignored it and got mad... it continued and he started to gargle A LOT and than started to bite and was so annoying!!! and it's still that way.

Yeah, getting mad at him possibly made it worse. The growling is communication. It tells you he's uncomfortable or scared. Instead of getting mad about it, you need to address the underlying cause and make him feel comfortable and safe. And let him feel like the growl works by respecting it and changing your approach when he growls so that he doesn't need to escalate into biting.

I tried a similiar thing... I just told him on my mind "You touch me - I kill you" XD I have to say it worked for a while LOL but I gave up on it.. im suppose to love the dog XD

I understand the feeling, but he doesn't. Try telling him "You growl at me, I'll back off a bit and try this a different way."

or on a walk - he gets the passion and the desire to be a homeless

Like running off? Leashes can do a lot to prevent that.

Well, I have to say I did try to teach him to sit...
hmm.. im new to this forum.. can you curse and swear non-stop?
he got me so bad XD he's like the ultimate retard dog.
I watched videos and saw there are 2 ways to do this...

1) hold a snack when he can see and wait for him to sit
he was killing me.. each time I had to wait for him like 10 minutes..
after a while it was sometimes 10 minutes and sometimes 5 seconds and he just killed my legs + got me very bored

2) take a snack close to his nose and take it over his head so he'll have to sit down...
and of course.. he just went backwards O_O the dog in the video didn't!!!
so I thought what could I do? I took him close to the wall so he couldn't go back... he went to the side XDDDD

Nope, no cursing and swearing. :lol-sign:

There are many ways to train the sit. Maybe try capturing it? First teach him a marker ~ like a clicker or or a "Yes!". Pair the marker with food a few times so he knows what it means - click and immediately treat, or say "Yes!" and immediately give a treat. When he sits on his own, which all dogs do at some point or other, use the marker to let him know he did something you like and then get him a treat.

I dunno if I can train him... he probably sensed that I hate him like you said and getting me back stupid dog T_T

Awwwww. He's not getting you back. Dogs don't think that way. But if you're unhappy with him, he senses that and it makes him worried. Try to stay positive and focus on good things about him.

hmm and may i use human food etc.?

You sure can! The yummier for him the better. (Just make sure it's not something that can be toxic.)

I have... they don't really care....
I got into a fight with them about it so many times.

I'm sorry. That's not easy.

PS: sorry im writting a lot I just want you to know more stuff about him so mayb you could know what should I do...

The more information we have, the more we can help.

Behind the way, are you a professional or something? :O
you're REALLY smart about that....
even more than my friend i wrote about (hey no offense tho it's making me crazy, you people know about dogs more than i know about humans ><!)

Thanks!
There are many other on this forum that know more than I do, and I'm hoping they'll find this thread and add to it.
Welcome to Chaz!!

He's adorable. We do love pictures here.

 

[hadaro]

Yeah, getting mad at him possibly made it worse. The growling is communication. It tells you he's uncomfortable or scared. Instead of getting mad about it, you need to address the underlying cause and make him feel comfortable and safe. And let him feel like the growl works by respecting it and changing your approach when he growls so that he doesn't need to escalate into biting.

omg, when you're putting it that way I feel so bad
that friend told me that when he does that to hit him and hold him from his neck and like submit him on the ground and I have done that of course...
so you're saying it's VERY wrong to do that? it only prooves that he's right and should be scared of me :S im so confused.. so when he does those stuff what should I do?
thanks you so much for telling me this (and helping me at this thread at all)

I understand the feeling, but he doesn't. Try telling him "You growl at me, I'll back off a bit and try this a different way."

and he'll sense that thought enough to change him?

Like running off? Leashes can do a lot to prevent that.

no, he's way smarter than that.. he'll just stay where he is XDDDD
and of course, we're always using leashes when we're outside.

Nope, no cursing and swearing.

oh XD still mad at him tho... XD

There are many ways to train the sit. Maybe try capturing it? First teach him a marker ~ like a clicker or or a "Yes!". Pair the marker with food a few times so he knows what it means - click and immediately treat, or say "Yes!" and immediately give a treat. When he sits on his own, which all dogs do at some point or other, use the marker to let him know he did something you like and then get him a treat.

well there is a sound I make and when I do he's thrilled (if he's not mad)
actually when he isn't on the bed when I do it he keeps shaking his tail, but on the bed he's really stressed out and not responding..

Awwwww. He's not getting you back. Dogs don't think that way. But if you're unhappy with him, he senses that and it makes him worried. Try to stay positive and focus on good things about him.

so cute i just wanna throw him from a window
(kidding of course ) :lol-sign:

You sure can! The yummier for him the better.(Just make sure it's not something that can be toxic.)

wow I thought it's REALLY bad to do...

I'm sorry. That's not easy.

yeh, I hope they don't sense what I feel about them in this subject
my parents don't really like to work about those stuff....
last week one of my dogs died ( [had 2.. now only 1]
he was really old and my parents couldn't control his bladder XD he just did it in the house and spread it like crazy so my parents putted him out.. he was Maltese too so he was very small and weak and he also was blind and my parents totaly tortured him he was living in a small box that he could barely get in and out, outside, and it was terrible to see.. he lived around his crap and pipi O_O and just really awfull.. this is a love-dog community XD i won't continue to describe.., my point is that I don't think it's impossible (not only 'not easy')

The more information we have, the more we can help.

this im happy to hear!

Thanks!
There are many other on this forum that know more than I do, and I'm hoping they'll find this thread and add to it.
Welcome to Chaz!!

lol, thank you!
hey do you have IM program like skype or msn or anything... ?
easier to communicate
you don't have to give me of course.

He's adorable. We do love pictures here.

good to hear.. im working on pictures day and night, I guess i could find time to create and edit lots of pictures to this forum..

 

[Dekka]

if you click on the little person on the upper right below my bazzilion lol posts, it should take you to my msn addy.

 

[hadaro]

if you click on the little person on the upper right below my bazzilion lol posts, it should take you to my msn addy.

my first day here and im already in love with people in this forum.
thanks!

 

[Dekka]

no prob

 

[hadaro]

Ok guys, I have tried what you said,
and im trying to just be "a friend" with him, spent all day just being with him [not very hard, I had some sleep and he was near me XD] and just give food and ped etc.

So I have 2 questions [for now XD]

1) About the stuff I wrote above as I said im just trying to make him trust me, and it's like in "50 first dates" O_O I need to make him love me not everyday, but every minute... I mean, what im doing is just sitting with him and pedding and giving food and than he loves me (yay!) but than if i get up, even if im instantly sitting back where I was, he doesn't trust me anymore and scared of me. he probably got hurt in the head or this is normal and is there something to do?

2) If he get's mad on me and start gargling and everything, should I just go and back away from him and come in another time?
[it happend once, and I just went away and he was instantly chasing me not to go away, but I dunno if that's what im suppose to do :S]

Thanks!

 

[milos_mommy]

Another good idea once you get him feeling a little more comfortable is to teach him a command to get off the furniture, so you don't have to lift or physically remove him, he feels he's doing it by choice.

You can do this simply by luring him off with a treat (cut up a hot dog or string cheese into bite size chunks, or you can purchase small, soft "training treats" at a pet store, which are yummy and easy for him to chew and swallow quickly so he doesn't get distracted) and putting a command (like "get down" or "off"). After a while, you should be able to use the motion you used to lure him as a hand signal.

 

[hadaro]

Another good idea once you get him feeling a little more comfortable is to teach him a command to get off the furniture, so you don't have to lift or physically remove him, he feels he's doing it by choice.

You can do this simply by luring him off with a treat (cut up a hot dog or string cheese into bite size chunks, or you can purchase small, soft "training treats" at a pet store, which are yummy and easy for him to chew and swallow quickly so he doesn't get distracted) and putting a command (like "get down" or "off"). After a while, you should be able to use the motion you used to lure him as a hand signal.

Thank you sounds awesome!