4-H, does anyone here do it with their dog?
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Not quit, find a GOOD agility trainer and certainly not run the dog that day or any day on leash in agility.
Btw, did you know that people who train a dog in OB too much, often have trouble getting those dogs to go fast or to work at a distance from them in agility?
But then I guess it depends on how far you want to go in agility and to what level.......for that to matter.
Btw, did you know that people who train a dog in OB too much, often have trouble getting those dogs to go fast or to work at a distance from them in agility?
But then I guess it depends on how far you want to go in agility and to what level.......for that to matter.
What are you talking about???????????? 24/7? Oh you do make me laugh.
Not even close, AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG, if anything there is very limited training. Once a week (3 times a week when learning all the skills) the rest of the time is conditioning and just being a dog. Any fool knows that over training a dog can demotivate it. And IF you ever have a dog that can run a Masters/Elite course CLEAN at 5.5 - 6.5 YPS (yards per second) talk to me then about speed and how to train it. My dog routinely lays down times that are faster or as fast as the fastest BC's, not bad for a dog that is only 13.25 tall. Oh yeah and do that on a USDAA course, not NADAC.
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LOL if you are training with someone who encourages, or even lets you train on leash then HECK YA quit and find someone else 
You physically can't teach the skills a dog needs if they are on leash. A leash that long would really get in the way. And even if the leash isn't physically slowing the dog down, you will be training the dog to stay too close to you. A fast dog won't be near you (unless you are a top sprinter..and even then) I guess it depends on your goals. If you don't care if your dog is ever good at it, or if you learn how to handle your dog. But NO TRAINER (and I mean NO TRAINER) who produces fast dogs, and successful students will allow a dog on equip without basic control and foundation skills.
Speed alone doesn't make a good agility dog (oh and Ado's Petie is one of the fastest agility dogs I have ever seen, which is impressive as he is mini dog) you need speed and control. But you know what is the hardest to get back if you loose it? Speed. That is one of the main reasons aversives aren't used in agility training. Even some of my friends who do use aversives when training obed, don't in agility as it slows the dog down. Kaiden, who when I started I used aversives, is by far my slowest agility dog. Do you know how frustrating it is to run clean on a masters course, but be 1-2 seconds over time, over and over again?
Most people train agility a couple of times a week. I have my own equip, so I might go up 3-4 times a week and work a dog for 5-8 min. Longer only slows them down. The lower the drive of the dog, the lest time you spend 'training'
A stress agility course bears little, if not no, relation to real agility.
You physically can't teach the skills a dog needs if they are on leash. A leash that long would really get in the way. And even if the leash isn't physically slowing the dog down, you will be training the dog to stay too close to you. A fast dog won't be near you (unless you are a top sprinter..and even then) I guess it depends on your goals. If you don't care if your dog is ever good at it, or if you learn how to handle your dog. But NO TRAINER (and I mean NO TRAINER) who produces fast dogs, and successful students will allow a dog on equip without basic control and foundation skills.
Speed alone doesn't make a good agility dog (oh and Ado's Petie is one of the fastest agility dogs I have ever seen, which is impressive as he is mini dog) you need speed and control. But you know what is the hardest to get back if you loose it? Speed. That is one of the main reasons aversives aren't used in agility training. Even some of my friends who do use aversives when training obed, don't in agility as it slows the dog down. Kaiden, who when I started I used aversives, is by far my slowest agility dog. Do you know how frustrating it is to run clean on a masters course, but be 1-2 seconds over time, over and over again?
Most people train agility a couple of times a week. I have my own equip, so I might go up 3-4 times a week and work a dog for 5-8 min. Longer only slows them down. The lower the drive of the dog, the lest time you spend 'training'
A stress agility course bears little, if not no, relation to real agility.
Thanks guys, I learned a lot about 4-H, then it went to agility, which I havne't a problem with...
I think I'll probably just stick to Agility with Zoey. WE have a GOOD teacher (NO LEASHES - EVER!) and a GREAT club, they host trails, are willing to drive me to trials, and let me stay with them over night if need be, so I think Im happy where I am at...
I think I'll probably just stick to Agility with Zoey. WE have a GOOD teacher (NO LEASHES - EVER!) and a GREAT club, they host trails, are willing to drive me to trials, and let me stay with them over night if need be, so I think Im happy where I am at...
lol, sorry we kinda high jacked your thread.
On a lighter note, did you know that the AAC Nationals are in N.B next year in Aug? I would expect everyone would be a buzz about it and of course rounding up all the help they can get. It's a big under taking, but I am sure they are going to put on a bang up trial.
Lynn
On a lighter note, did you know that the AAC Nationals are in N.B next year in Aug? I would expect everyone would be a buzz about it and of course rounding up all the help they can get. It's a big under taking, but I am sure they are going to put on a bang up trial.
Lynn
The Nationals are being held at Sussex New Brunswick, Aug 8 -10th 2008. All info can be found at www.aac.ca
I would expect they are looking for volunteers, that can be a great experience too when you can't compete.
Depending on what happens with Petie, we may or may not be there........
But if we go, we would love to met you.
Take care
Lynn
I would expect they are looking for volunteers, that can be a great experience too when you can't compete.
Depending on what happens with Petie, we may or may not be there........
But if we go, we would love to met you.
Take care
Lynn
Wow, Sussex is only about 2 or 3 hours away, depending on where!
Im sure people from my club will be there, so I am sure I'll be heading down... Zoey will 99.9% probably NOT be ready for that, but it'd be great for me to go and watch!
Cool, I'd love to meet you if you do come! We'll have to talk more about it as it gets closer.
Im sure people from my club will be there, so I am sure I'll be heading down... Zoey will 99.9% probably NOT be ready for that, but it'd be great for me to go and watch!
Cool, I'd love to meet you if you do come!
We'll have to talk more about it as it gets closer.
Okay I'm to lazy to read this whole thread. I've been writing to much. If you've changed subjects sorry 'bout this.
In my 4H you do have to join differnt clubs to show differnt animals. Exihibits(food and crafts) you don't though.
I've done horses and dogs and they are totally differnt. Horses is really about how well trained your expensive horse is dogs is just good fun. After all you have to train the dog you show.
I've been in dogs for 4 years going on 5. I think its a lot of fun and it gives me a hobby. Really its supost to be about teaching you responsiblities and such but for me its just something fun to do in the summer.
My club has Rally-O, Agility, Obedience, and Showmanship (like conformation but handlers are judged). We have two 2 hours practices a week in the summer after shcool is out where we work on obedience/Rally or obedience/showmanship. We also have one practice a week where we work on agility.
After a while we put on a mock show where people can get the feel of what the show day is going to be like and win ribbions.
For my club all things that can be are judge by AKC rules.
When we practice its you get a lot of time to be watched by the leaders. This is part of the reason behind the 2 hour practices (there are short breaks though). Often times my club is broken into newbies and older members so you can be taught and told how to correct what you are doing wrong.
Agility is the same way. All the dogs must be on buckle collars and you can not have more than a 6 foot leash. If you are a newbie you will get your own little course with simple obsticals and a very low a-frame. One of the leaders will walk you through it. The older members are more self regulated but there is a leader watching you.
umm thats really all I can think of.
In my 4H you do have to join differnt clubs to show differnt animals. Exihibits(food and crafts) you don't though.
I've done horses and dogs and they are totally differnt. Horses is really about how well trained your expensive horse is dogs is just good fun. After all you have to train the dog you show.
I've been in dogs for 4 years going on 5. I think its a lot of fun and it gives me a hobby. Really its supost to be about teaching you responsiblities and such but for me its just something fun to do in the summer.
My club has Rally-O, Agility, Obedience, and Showmanship (like conformation but handlers are judged). We have two 2 hours practices a week in the summer after shcool is out where we work on obedience/Rally or obedience/showmanship. We also have one practice a week where we work on agility.
After a while we put on a mock show where people can get the feel of what the show day is going to be like and win ribbions.
For my club all things that can be are judge by AKC rules.
When we practice its you get a lot of time to be watched by the leaders. This is part of the reason behind the 2 hour practices (there are short breaks though). Often times my club is broken into newbies and older members so you can be taught and told how to correct what you are doing wrong.
Agility is the same way. All the dogs must be on buckle collars and you can not have more than a 6 foot leash. If you are a newbie you will get your own little course with simple obsticals and a very low a-frame. One of the leaders will walk you through it. The older members are more self regulated but there is a leader watching you.
umm thats really all I can think of.