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No kidding that's a big can of worms. 
Good points though they be...so what else has changed regarding the rules as far as "pre-peri-post" apocalyptic Bible interpretation goes? I'm being totally serious here.
Good points though they be...so what else has changed regarding the rules as far as "pre-peri-post" apocalyptic Bible interpretation goes? I'm being totally serious here.
Okay...I'm no bible scholar here...but I guess I went there so here goes:
There are churches the believe we are in the end times, and point to the middle east as an example of prophesy fulfilled. (just one example of why, there are many if you belong to this school of thought)
During the end times women will see visions, and be given knowledge they otherwise weren't, so therefore will be "allowed" to preach, infact encouraged. Weak will be given strenght, fools will confound the wise, ect ect.
That being the case roles aren't neccisarily reversed but women are privy to signs they wouldn't have otherwise been. Another parallel back to Jesus's ressurection, women were the first to see Him after he rose...
There are many, many other things that I can't begin to remember or explain about this theory, but this was given to me as an explination as to why it was "okay" for there to be women preachers.
Without my beliefs for a frame of reference, if won't make sense to you why that is a big deal, so I won't begin to try, nor will I explain the obvious reasons for men being in charge in the first place (and no, it has nothing to do with them needing control and women as property and that nonsense)
Mostly for the other two people ignore the parts of the bible they don't want to hear or just don't understand. That's humans for you. Christian and non. I am not going to convince you to believe the way I do, and I won't be mocked, moreover I won't tolorate listening to my God be mocked, so I'm out. I'll check back from time to time to see how far this has gone...opcorn:
There are churches the believe we are in the end times, and point to the middle east as an example of prophesy fulfilled. (just one example of why, there are many if you belong to this school of thought)
During the end times women will see visions, and be given knowledge they otherwise weren't, so therefore will be "allowed" to preach, infact encouraged. Weak will be given strenght, fools will confound the wise, ect ect.
That being the case roles aren't neccisarily reversed but women are privy to signs they wouldn't have otherwise been. Another parallel back to Jesus's ressurection, women were the first to see Him after he rose...
There are many, many other things that I can't begin to remember or explain about this theory, but this was given to me as an explination as to why it was "okay" for there to be women preachers.
Without my beliefs for a frame of reference, if won't make sense to you why that is a big deal, so I won't begin to try, nor will I explain the obvious reasons for men being in charge in the first place (and no, it has nothing to do with them needing control and women as property and that nonsense)
Mostly for the other two people ignore the parts of the bible they don't want to hear or just don't understand. That's humans for you. Christian and non. I am not going to convince you to believe the way I do, and I won't be mocked, moreover I won't tolorate listening to my God be mocked, so I'm out. I'll check back from time to time to see how far this has gone...
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Who is mocking God in here? I'm certainly not.
Sunny, what you posted was new information to me. Like I said, my youth group studies mainly kept to the Gospels, with forays back to the Old Testament now and again and occasional ventures around the New. But most of the messages were not geared towards end of times discussions.
Sunny, what you posted was new information to me. Like I said, my youth group studies mainly kept to the Gospels, with forays back to the Old Testament now and again and occasional ventures around the New. But most of the messages were not geared towards end of times discussions.
Tessa, that makes sense. I guess what I was calling into consideration was the fact that whenever I am "preached" at, people threaten me with lakes of fire and eternal, agonizing misery. Punishment is a pretty wide umbrella. It may be a lake of fire. It may be nothingness, an eternal "timeout". It may be an existance without God, it could be anything. Heck, it could be returning to Earth (or another planet in another galaxy. Who's to say there aren't other intelligent beings that exist under the same God?) to live out another lifetime and do things right.
I'm not even sure how I got started on this thought. I think I just have a problem with the stereotype of Hell. It's there to scare people into believing, which I think is a pretty cheap tactic.
Sunnypup, I am NOT mocking God. Please don't take my curiosity and doubts as insults, that wasn't my intent. This is a very touchy subject and the people who have that "eloquence" thing can get answers without ruffling any feathers. I don't have it.
I'm not even sure how I got started on this thought. I think I just have a problem with the stereotype of Hell. It's there to scare people into believing, which I think is a pretty cheap tactic.
Sunnypup, I am NOT mocking God. Please don't take my curiosity and doubts as insults, that wasn't my intent. This is a very touchy subject and the people who have that "eloquence" thing can get answers without ruffling any feathers. I don't have it.
ok...
ready....
What about same sex marriages?
If 2 people of the same sex, love each other, marry one another, are faithful to each other, and die in each others arms at a ripe old age..
Is that wrong?
To me, I am happy they found love, I am happy for them
ready....
What about same sex marriages?
If 2 people of the same sex, love each other, marry one another, are faithful to each other, and die in each others arms at a ripe old age..
Is that wrong?
To me, I am happy they found love, I am happy for them
ditto that. how could that possibly be wrong. being gay is still just a human state, not somebody setting out to be sinful. to deny that person all the benefits of being human...love, marriage....I just refuse to believe God would ever be so harsh as to judge them as evil. sorry, but I was brought up believing in a loving God. (I admit I've not read all posts...just commenting on this particular thought)
ever hear of Sodom, Gomorrah . . . the bible is pretty up front about homosexuality being a sin...that said so is gossip and you don't see many old ladies giving up their "vice", and gluttony is a big one but how many southern preachers do you see with waists the size of whales?
I think God intended for it to be one man and one women. period. Not one man and one beast, not one man and one man, not one man and three women. You'll note that in the bible there ARE men who had more then one wife but when God is talking about marriage He uses the singular for each (honor your wife, not honor your wives, which would translate differently)
Sin is everywhere, rampant. I do it, you do it...it's human nature, and one day we'll all be accountable, and just "being good enough" imo isn't going to cut it. I don't know what every word in the Bible says. I don't know all of the history surrounding the corruption of the church and of man needing to domaneer over the women so they made up new rules. I know what is in my heart.
When I say you will not mock my God to me...by you assuming that I am wrong and you are right, that's not mockery, that is ignorance (not the way it is connoted today, the real meaning of the word) but by outright denying Him, by slandering His name by making it seem as if He is impotent, and cannot be real because of XYZ, and won't listen to the explination of why that is wrong, or just discount the bible and me as old fashioned...I feel mocked.
You'd say I'm narrow minded. Since when does it make you so broad minded to doubt everything anyone might have to say about God and His plan for the world? Not even just Christianity but Islam, Judeaism, (both which would acknowledge the old testament) and other religions that still trust in an absolute moral bound message. What makes you so right and millions of people so wrong? Of course zealots are wrong, and not what God intended. I don't think killing in God"s name is ever right. I don't think hatred is ever right since Jesus came in LOVE saying "let the little children come to me" and went to those most hated in society to help them. It is PEOPLE who ruin other people NOT God.
I WAS NOT going to even come back and bother discussing this stuff, because most of you will ignore me anyway, or think that I am being holier then thou when I am just trying to get my point across and you can't hear my voice so you don't really know how I'm intoning things. . . Hear me, I TRY TO LOVE EVERYONE ...may not like some people as much as others but I am called to love, not hate. I don't hate gay people, so don't go there. My uncle is gay and his partner has been with him for longer then I have been alive. Do I like that, no, but he's my uncle so I love him. He's a child of God so I love him. This craziness about marriage and gays...I think it's stupid for this reason, and you have all mentioned it before: God never defines how to get married. So I'd say if two men want to get married, heck, let them have that piece of paper. God will sort it out if it's wrong in the end. People will do what they want to do. That is human nature in its very rawest form.
I think God intended for it to be one man and one women. period. Not one man and one beast, not one man and one man, not one man and three women. You'll note that in the bible there ARE men who had more then one wife but when God is talking about marriage He uses the singular for each (honor your wife, not honor your wives, which would translate differently)
Sin is everywhere, rampant. I do it, you do it...it's human nature, and one day we'll all be accountable, and just "being good enough" imo isn't going to cut it. I don't know what every word in the Bible says. I don't know all of the history surrounding the corruption of the church and of man needing to domaneer over the women so they made up new rules. I know what is in my heart.
When I say you will not mock my God to me...by you assuming that I am wrong and you are right, that's not mockery, that is ignorance (not the way it is connoted today, the real meaning of the word) but by outright denying Him, by slandering His name by making it seem as if He is impotent, and cannot be real because of XYZ, and won't listen to the explination of why that is wrong, or just discount the bible and me as old fashioned...I feel mocked.
You'd say I'm narrow minded. Since when does it make you so broad minded to doubt everything anyone might have to say about God and His plan for the world? Not even just Christianity but Islam, Judeaism, (both which would acknowledge the old testament) and other religions that still trust in an absolute moral bound message. What makes you so right and millions of people so wrong? Of course zealots are wrong, and not what God intended. I don't think killing in God"s name is ever right. I don't think hatred is ever right since Jesus came in LOVE saying "let the little children come to me" and went to those most hated in society to help them. It is PEOPLE who ruin other people NOT God.
I WAS NOT going to even come back and bother discussing this stuff, because most of you will ignore me anyway, or think that I am being holier then thou when I am just trying to get my point across and you can't hear my voice so you don't really know how I'm intoning things. . . Hear me, I TRY TO LOVE EVERYONE ...may not like some people as much as others but I am called to love, not hate. I don't hate gay people, so don't go there. My uncle is gay and his partner has been with him for longer then I have been alive. Do I like that, no, but he's my uncle so I love him. He's a child of God so I love him. This craziness about marriage and gays...I think it's stupid for this reason, and you have all mentioned it before: God never defines how to get married. So I'd say if two men want to get married, heck, let them have that piece of paper. God will sort it out if it's wrong in the end. People will do what they want to do. That is human nature in its very rawest form.
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ok...
ready....
What about same sex marriages?
If 2 people of the same sex, love each other, marry one another, are faithful to each other, and die in each others arms at a ripe old age..
Is that wrong?
To me, I am happy they found love, I am happy for them
ready....
What about same sex marriages?
If 2 people of the same sex, love each other, marry one another, are faithful to each other, and die in each others arms at a ripe old age..
Is that wrong?
To me, I am happy they found love, I am happy for them
- a topic I'd love to get in on.Any church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple. If it stands in the face of that belief system, that system should never have to do something that goes agaisnt it's beliefs.
Government, on the other hand has the job of making sure all citizens have equal rights - including marriage - and thus (because government is not based on religion - ie, separation between church and state) Gay marriages should be performed at that level - without any prejudice towards them.
If christians define marriage as one man and one woman, that's their right. However, christians DON'T own the definition of marriage (nor does any other religion).
Alright Dizzy! - a topic I'd love to get in on.
Any church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple. If it stands in the face of that belief system, that system should never have to do something that goes agaisnt it's beliefs.
Government, on the other hand has the job of making sure all citizens have equal rights - including marriage - and thus (because government is not based on religion - ie, separation between church and state) Gay marriages should be performed at that level - without any prejudice towards them.
If christians define marriage as one man and one woman, that's their right. However, christians DON'T own the definition of marriage (nor does any other religion).
- a topic I'd love to get in on.Any church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple. If it stands in the face of that belief system, that system should never have to do something that goes agaisnt it's beliefs.
Government, on the other hand has the job of making sure all citizens have equal rights - including marriage - and thus (because government is not based on religion - ie, separation between church and state) Gay marriages should be performed at that level - without any prejudice towards them.
If christians define marriage as one man and one woman, that's their right. However, christians DON'T own the definition of marriage (nor does any other religion).