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I realized that even though I know my breed inside and out, I don't know much about any other Toy Breeds other than Papillons and Pugs (since I've looked into both breeds).

So... care to share information about your toy breed? I honestly don't think I'll ever consider anything other than chis and paps, but I'm curious about the other toys since large breeds are mainly discussed on here.

I was drawn to Chihuahuas because of their terrier like qualities... and how they act like big dogs in little bodies. I lived in an apartment and wanted a dog, but didn't want a typical "toy" breed.

Chihuahuas have all the qualities I want in a little dog... they are loving, intelligent, alert, confident, etc.

AKC describes them as...

Graceful, alert and swift-moving with a saucy expression, Chihuahuas are highly intelligent and should not be underestimated even though small in size. The breed can be any color – solid, marked or splashed and the coat may be long or short.

Chihuahuas are alert dogs with terrier-like qualities. They are good with families if the children are gentle and patient. Because of their small size, they require little exercise and are good city dogs, but can be sensitive to cold temperatures. Smooth coated Chihuahuas need very little grooming due to their short hair. Long coats need occasional brushing but still require minimal grooming.

Temperament
Alert, projecting the ‘terrier-like’ attitudes of self importance, confidence, self-reliance.
In terms of looks, the one thing that sets them apart from other breeds are their apple domed heads. They should weigh between 2-6lbs (most often, 4-6lbs).
 

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General Description:
Pugs are small but sturdy versatile dogs. They will be active if their owner is, or they'll sleep on the couch if that's what their owner does. They can compete and do well in dog sports such as agility, rally, obedience, tracking, flyball, and canine freestyle. They can be stubborn, but with patience and kindness they will figure things out. They're very inquisitive, as shown by their lovely head tilting, and will always watch with interest at whatever you're doing (then they might try to do it themselves). A Pug's calm and loving disposition and desire to befriend anyone they meet makes them great for a family pet and also allows them to excel at therapy work. This dog is far to friendly (and small) to be a guard dog unless you want the burglars licked and cuddled to death! Pugs are great with children because they are gentle and understanding, plus they are small enough to not accidentally hurt the child but sturdy enough to withstand quite a bit of child awkwardness.

Health Problems:
- Obesity is very common in this breed as popular media portrays them as a very fat breed. Proper diet and exercise is very important, from experience many Pugs cannot tolerate carbohydrates well so a grain free low carb kibble/canned diet or a raw food diet is the way to go.
- Dental issues are very common in this breed as well. This can be prevented by encouraging the Pug to chew on RAW bones and bully sticks or brushing the teeth daily starting from puppyhood.
- Patellar Luxation and Hip Dysplasia occurs fairly frequently in this breed, proper genetic testing should be done on ALL breeding stock before breeding takes place.
-Stenotic Nares is a common occurrence in brachycephalic breeds. It is a congenital trait. The nostrils are pinched or narrow which makes it more difficult to breathe and causes snorting and snoring in these animals. Breeding dogs known to have a history of producing stenotic nares should be paired very carefully if bred.
- Eye issues are also very common in this breed as they have a flat face and large round eyes. Ulcers are very common and must be treated immediately by a veterinarian.

Group: Toy
Country of Origin: China (Tibet)
Weight: 14-18 lbs
Colours: Fawn with black mask (includes any shades from apricot to almost white), Black with black mask
Coat: Short, glossy and soft with an undercoat, moderate shedding
Head: Round, not apple shaped
Ears: Either rose or button, the latter preferred
Eyes: Dark and prominent, round shaped
Bite: Slightly undershot, but not obviously so
Build: Square and sturdy with prominent muscle, not fat
Tail: Curled as tightly as possible over the hip, double curl is perfection

Miscellaneous Information:
Pugs are very soft dogs, they pick up on emotions very well so be careful not to raise your voice around a Pug. Harsh methods of training do not work with Pugs. They will fear you. Positive only methods are the only recommended way to train a Pug because they are so sensitive. They will be afraid of you if they are yelled and or struck. Training collars (chokes, prongs, martingales, e-collars) should NEVER be used on Pugs, they are very prone to collapsing trachea and tugging and "popping" training collars will cause this. E-Collars will burn the extra skin the Pug has on their neck and emotionally damage them potentially beyond the point of fixing.
If your Pug pulls on the leash, do not use a collar of any kind. Train with a harness so you do not put pressure on the trachea. Once they are reliable not to pull you may reintroduce the collar. However if your pug's neck is wider then it's head, it's recommended to only use a harness to help prevent escaping.

A Champion Conformation Pug (AM.CAN.CH.Luna's Big Kahuna - from Luna Pugs)


A successful Agility Pug (Brutus the Pug)


Izzie the Pug
 

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Jessie, maybe Mandy just C/P'd it, but is there any way you could write something up like she just posted, except of course, about Chis? Or do you have a site you could recommend that does the Chihuahua breed justice in full description of temperament, health, etc?
 

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No copy and pasting here! Lol. I've researched my breed inside and out and upside down. Of course i did double check with the standards on a few things.

I encourage folks to post out of their own knowledge and experience for these kinds of things. I tried to make mine as clean and well thought out as possible too, oh and easy to read.
 

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oooh, I'd like to see a formatted thing like Mandy posted, for chis too! And Papillons *pokesLaurelin*
 

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Jessie, maybe Mandy just C/P'd it, but is there any way you could write something up like she just posted, except of course, about Chis? Or do you have a site you could recommend that does the Chihuahua breed justice in full description of temperament, health, etc?
Of course :D

It'll be my next post in this thread.
 

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I encourage folks to post out of their own knowledge and experience for these kinds of things. I tried to make mine as clean and well thought out as possible too, oh and easy to read.
Absolutely.. and yours was great, Mandypug!



And... yay! Thank you, Jessie :D
 

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General Description

A graceful, alert, swift-moving little dog with saucy expression, compact, and with terrier-like qualities of temperament.

Chihuahuas are big dogs in little dog bodies. They are eager to learn and are intelligent. Generally, chihuahuas get along best with other chihuahuas... they are known as "clannish" dogs. They love to groom each other, lick each others ears, and snuggle together. Chihuahuas are major burrowers as well... they LOVE blankets, and will often disappear into them. You have to be careful not to sit on them, because they will burrow into things!

They also love to lay in the sun, and will find even the smallest patch of sun to lay in.

They love their people and make great companions. And the best thing about chihuahuas: their lifespan. They are the longest lived breed, living on average for 12-18 years. 20+ years isn't unheard of, either.

Even with socialization, chihuahuas can be wary of strangers at first. Be sure to only purchase a chihuahua from a good breeder who breeds dogs of sound temperament.

Any dog called a "deer head" is NOT in the breed standard, and dogs that look like this are being bred by backyard breeders.

Also, there is no such thing as a "teacup." Some chihuahuas can end up smaller and larger than the breed standard, but breeders should know their lines well enough to predict weight to a certain extent. Any breeder purposely breeding for tiny dogs or oversize ones is not a breeder you should deal with.

Group: Toy
Country of Origin: Chihuahuas were first discovered in Mexico, but no one is sure where they come from. Many people think they are closely related to Fennec Foxes.
Weight: 2-6lbs. Generally, chihuahuas weigh 4-6lbs.
Colors: All colors and markings are allowed in the AKC breed standard.
Coat: There are two varieties: Smooth coated and Long coated.
Head: Apple domed, without without molera. Up until the 1990's, it was required for chihuahuas to have an open molera to be shown!
Build: Longer than they are tall
Bite: Scissor or level... never over or undershot.
Tail: Either carried over the back or sickle.
Ears: Large and erect. Never broken down, cropped, or floppy.
Muzzle: Moderately short and somewhat pointed. The stop between the muzzle and the forehead should be a 90 degree angle.
Eyes: Full, but not protruding (buldgy eyes are NOT breed standard!). Generally chis have dark eyes, but light eyes are allowed in blonde and white dogs).

Fun Facts

The Chihuahua is a double tracking breed, even with an increase in speed. Although the feet may approach a central line, it should not single track. The movement is that of a reaching, driving, working breed in miniature.

The Chihuahua is the only natural small breed, meaning it wasn't developed by breeding down larger dogs.

Long coated chihuahua puppies start out fluffy...



but then they blow their coats around 3-4 months of age!


Health Issues

Chihuahuas are generally a healthy breed. The major health issues for this breed are luxating patella, collapsing traechea (which can be prevented in most cases by using a harness), dental disease, and corneal ulcers.

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Phew, now the fun part!

Chihuahuas are very versatile. They can do agility:



They can be shown:



My Emma, practicing stacking:



They can lay in the sun for hours!



They are verrrry alert and will bark at any sign of action!

 

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Jessie, you NEED a pap eventually. I think you'd love them. ;)

I'm going to follow Mandy's post a bit:

General Description:

The papillon is a lively, highly intelligent and alert companion dog bred down from European working spaniels (with possibly some spitz breed like pomeranian or volpino italiano added in to account for the erect ears). They have a long history of being bred as companions to European royalty and early type Continental Toy Spaniels can be seen in numerous paintings dating back to the 1200s.

The most identifiable feature of the papillon is large, well fringed 'butterfly' ears. The name papillon comes from the french word for butterfly. The phalene (fah-len) is named after the French word for moth.

Temperament:

This is from a new owner's guide to papillons by Deborah Wood. She words it much better than I could:

Papillons don't fit the stereotype of little lap dogs. They are energetic, busy, curious, cheerful, bright little dogs. There is probably no accomplishment in the world of dogs that a papillon has not achieved. They work as loyal service dogs to people with disabilities, and some of the top obedience dogs in the country have been papillons. They also excel at the physically demanding sports of agility and flyball. Papillons aren't for everyone but for those of us that love them, there is no more wonderful breed in the world.

Although most people are first drawn to the breed because of its appearance, it doesn't take long to realize that what really sets papillons apart from other breeds is their personalities. It isn't coincidence that papillons are among the most successful breeds in all of dogdom in obedience and agility competitions. Most papillons are intelligent, problem solving, active little dogs.

Many papillons and owners face heartache when people confuse the dog's adorable outward appearance with the personality of the dog underneath the fur. If you want a quiet lap dog who enjoys nothing more than spending the day snuggled up on a couch calmly watching television with you, then another breed is probably a better choice. If however, you're looking for a fun-loving, adventurous dog who likes to learn tricks, wants to go wherever you do, and loves to play games, a papillon might fill the bill.

Papillons love to learn and enjoy a challenge. Talk with papillon owners and you will commonly hear stories of dogs who learned to open kitchen cabinets or trick other dogs out of toys. Papillons excel at canine sports and earn more obedience, agility, and tracking titles than most other toy breeds combined. Papillons have been stars in agility trials since the sport became popular in the US. In 1999 the AKC added the title of Master Agility Champion (MACH) and 3 of the first 16 dogs of all breeds to earn this title were papillons. In fact the first dog of any breed to recieve top honors in conformation, obedience, tracking and agility is a papillon OTCh Ch Loteki Sudden Impulse UDX TDX MX (MX was the top agility title when 'Zack' was competing).... In 1999 a Papillon named Peek was named Delta Society's Service Animal of the Year.

While it sounds intriguing to have such a clever, athletic dog, think twice. A dog with enough drive to work as a service dog or be a top competitor maybe too much of a handful to be content as a family pet. Many papillons can leap 4 feet in the air from a standstill, meaning careful management for your papillon is necessary.

Although most all papillons are lively, people oriented dogs there is a range of energy levels and a need for constant entertainment in papillons. Some papillons reflect the more laid back personality of their spaniel ancestors while others are more like miniature border collies and will generally get themselves into terrible trouble if they don't have at least an hour or two of highly interactive, demanding activity in a day.

While papillons are busy, hardy, and athletic dogs, they are also very sensitive dogs. After all this breed has had a thousand years to perfect its relationship with humans. Be prepared for the next 15 years of your life to be spent with two bright, brown eyes staring at you, waiting for you to play. Don't expect to spend a waking moment alone again; not when you're cooking dinner, reading a book, not even when you're in the bathroom. Papillons are truly only happy when they are with the people they love.

Some papillons are shy. Be aware of this tendency and if a soft dog isn't for you then be careful when you select your papillon. On the other hand, other papillons are very pushy and the breed has even been called 'little tyrants'. These bold, quick, smart dogs can decide they are far more clever than any human.

The papillon is not necessarily a cuddle-bunny. Many first time papillon owners are shocked when their dog would prefer not to cuddle.If you're envisioning a dog who loves to cuddle, another breed might be better for you.
Sorry that's so long, but that's the best description I've personally come across for them. She just nails what makes this breed what it is.


Health Problems:
- Patellar Luxation
- Progressive Retinal Atrophy
- Epilepsy (not very common but becoming more common)

Group: Toy
Other names: Continental Toy Spaniel, Phalene (drop ears)
Country of Origin: Belgium/France
Height (there is no weight limit): Up to 12 inches. Over 11 inches is faulted
Colours: Always particolor. Which means white with patching. Must have black nose. Common colors- black and white, sable and white, red and white, tricolor, lemon and white.
Coat: a silky single coat that sheds some continuously all year. Papillons are considered a wash and wear breed and do not need extensive grooming or clipping.
Head: Slightly rounded with a good stop. Muzzle should be tapering and approximately 1/3 and width of the length of the skull.
Ears: Erect or Dropped. Always large and well fringed. Ears are well rounded and set at approximately a 45 degree angle.
Eyes: dark, round, not bulging, of medium size and alert in expression
Bite: Scissor
Build: slightly longer than tall. Athletic, well angulated, and well balanced. Should always have the appearance of elegance. Motion should be akin to a large breed. They should not hackney and should move very freely and efficiently.
Tail: Set high and well arched over the body giving them the nickname of squirrel dog. It should not be curled tightly and should have a nice 'teacup handle' appearance.

Miscellaneous Information:

The papillon is often referred to as the working toy dog or the border collie of the toy group. They are well known for their intelligence (usually ranked in the top 10 most intelligent breeds lists) and abilities to excel in many arenas of dog sports. Papillons make wonderful agility or obedience competitors and are being seen more in the arena of flyball, tracking, and more. They tend to make superb therapy dogs and are even occasionally used as service dogs.

There are two varieties of papillon, or more correctly there are two versions of phalenes. ;) The phalene is the drop eared variety and is the original breed type. For the first few hundred years in early breed development all papillons had dropped ears. For unknown reasons in the 1800s the erect ears became much more fashionable. There are several theories as to how the erect ears of the papillon variety came to be. In modern days phalenes are much rarer than their butterfly counterparts although there has been much effort by breeders to preserve the original breed type.

Other than ear set there is no difference between a phalene and a papillon. In the US both varieties are shown together as the same breed.

A phalene:



A Papillon:

Ch Flashpoint Mission Possible



Doing what they do best:





A show champion: Ch Forevr Reign of Fire



Proper papillon expression (aka I <3 this dog LOL)



Anyone interested in papillons should look here: Braylor's Papillons: Versatility

You can get a very good feel for the breed there. (I just noticed Mia got her own section on that page :rofl1:)

Other links:

Judging Seminar on Papillons: Online Judging Seminar for the Papillon
Papillon Club of America: Welcome to the Papillon Club of America
Papillon breeder list: PCA Breeders List
Papillon rescues: Papillon Club Of America Rescue Trust Homepage
Welcome to Papillon 911 Rescue and Adoption, Inc.
Papillon Haven Rescue - Rescued Papillons for immediate adoption
Papillon grooming: Papillon Show Grooming
Braylor's Papillons: Papillon Grooming
Welcome to Holly Huxford's Animal Page! (pet geared)
Papillon color genetics:Braylor's Papillons: Papillon Color Descriptions with Pictures
Papillon Information Site
 
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I can hasing Papillon and Chihuahua nao?
Glad you liked! It took me a while to write out. They're fantastic, fantastic dogs. I'm very lucky my mom decided to get a toy breed dog or else I would never have been interested in them and missed out.
 

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Glad you liked! It took me a while to write out. They're fantastic, fantastic dogs. I'm very lucky my mom decided to get a toy breed dog or else I would never have been interested in them and missed out.
That's how pugs are for me. I love them now. I originally wanted a Cardigan Corgi or a Collie, but we got Ruby, then Chai, and now i have my Izzie and i want another one (either named Squig or Sookie).
 

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That's how pugs are for me. I love them now. I originally wanted a Cardigan Corgi or a Collie, but we got Ruby, then Chai, and now i have my Izzie and i want another one (either named Squig or Sookie).
That's how chihuahuas are for me as well. I love this breed sooo much, I just keep going back to them.
 

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Team Chihuahua, Laur, Team Chihuahua :p
You can like both, right? :lol-sign:

I never ever wanted a toy dog and would never have gotten one on my own, I don't think. My mom wanted a little dog very very badly. I was always a herding breed girl- we had a BC cross, a Shepherd cross, then all the shelties. So we looked at a lot of toy breeds- Longhaired Chis, Min pins, Cresties, and Paps were our short list. We ended up at a dog show and watched this little old lady (who later became a good friend of ours) work her papillons in rally. My mom was in love and we met her and her dogs after the show. She had Dhalia and Amy with her, which are Beau's cousins. It's been a love affair ever since! They're the best dogs I've ever owned.
 

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Laur, out of curiosity, is it common for breeders in your area to require someone to be home with the dog most of the day?

I know there is a Pap rescue here and a few breeders around here who will not adopt/sell to people with an 8 hour a day job. It really rubbed me the wrong way, lol, and I was just wondering if that is common or if it was just the ones that I was finding?
 

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I didn't want a toy breed until I moved away for college and missed having a dog.

Since I lived in an apartment, my options were limited so I started looking into toy breeds. Chihuahuas seemed to fit my personality the most.

...and now I have 4 of them :p

I'm still considering a pap for the future, but it's so hard to get anything other than a chihuahua since I love them so much.
 

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Laur, out of curiosity, is it common for breeders in your area to require someone to be home with the dog most of the day?

I know there is a Pap rescue here and a few breeders around here who will not adopt/sell to people with an 8 hour a day job. It really rubbed me the wrong way, lol, and I was just wondering if that is common or if it was just the ones that I was finding?
Lol really? I think most would work with you but you would probably need to prove you'd do more with the dog while you're home. I have a flexible schedule now which helps, but eventually I'll be working 8 or 9 hours at a time after I'm out of school. But this is a breed that in general needs a LOT of time and activity especially for a toy breed. I can see why that could concern them. A lot of people see papillon as 'oooh fluffy!' and then end up with problems because papillon temperament generally doesn't fit most people's idea of a toy/lap breed. I see that on my other board and pap list a lot. Some paps are quite laid back but more are high drive. I've seen people end up having some serious issues because they got a very driven papillon and wanted something just to cuddle with.

I would think they would waive that if you were to get your dog involved in sports or activities though.

Also, some papillon breeders are insane. :lol-sign: No, seriously, I've met some wackos out there. Especially in rescue, unfortunately. Just keep moving on until someone will work with you. I'm very glad Mia's breeder was willing to work with me and place one of her higher drive dogs into an apartment home.

I like other toy breeds a lot and find them very very cute, but I'm not sure I would own any of the others to be honest. The reason papillons appeal to me over other breeds is the amount of drive you can get out of them if you play your cards right. Most other toy breeds just aren't as driven I've found. Even in papillons I favor the extremely driven/crazy dogs over the laid back ones. Maybe once I'm not so interested in dog sports it might change though. I like chis, cresties, and poms a lot too.
 

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I have a friend I keep trying to get to join here. She has a papillon, a LH chi and a cav. She would probably be a good person to ask about the differences between paps and chis for anyone interested. I get asked that a lot and I never have a good answer. I can just talk the papillon side. lol
 

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Lol really? I think most would work with you but you would probably need to prove you'd do more with the dog while you're home. I have a flexible schedule now which helps, but eventually I'll be working 8 or 9 hours at a time after I'm out of school. But this is a breed that in general needs a LOT of time and activity especially for a toy breed. I can see why that could concern them. A lot of people see papillon as 'oooh fluffy!' and then end up with problems because papillon temperament generally doesn't fit most people's idea of a toy/lap breed. I see that on my other board and pap list a lot. Some paps are quite laid back but more are high drive. I've seen people end up having some serious issues because they got a very driven papillon and wanted something just to cuddle with.

I would think they would waive that if you were to get your dog involved in sports or activities though.

Also, some papillon breeders are insane. No, seriously, I've met some wackos out there. Especially in rescue, unfortunately. Just keep moving on until someone will work with you. I'm very glad Mia's breeder was willing to work with me and place one of her higher drive dogs into an apartment home.
Yeah, I'm not sure who peed in their cheerios with people who work (the insanity of it! :p), but I tend to get huffy with that sort of thing because even though I am in college, work a lot, etc, my dogs still get more stimulation than most people who are home all day. Heck I don't even OWN a dog food bowl because I want Frodo and Mollie working for it.

I could definitely see Ryan and I ending up with a Pap someday, they are about the only toy breed we agree on. :cool:
 

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