Toy Breeds?

[Laurelin]

Yeah, I'm not sure who peed in their cheerios with people who work (the insanity of it! ), but I tend to get huffy with that sort of thing because even though I am in college, work a lot, etc, my dogs still get more stimulation than most people who are home all day. Heck I don't even OWN a dog food bowl because I want Frodo and Mollie working for it.

I could definitely see Ryan and I ending up with a Pap someday, they are about the only toy breed we agree on.

Oh I have some interesting stories to tell with some papillon breeders. :lol-sign: I'll just say that some people are crazy and leave it at that.

 

[PWCorgi]

Crazy seems to be a trend in dogs period :lol-sign:
I guess some breeds/sports just get a larger slice of the pie than others

 

[Laurelin]

Papillon people are kinda crazy and kind of snobbish I've found. Not ALl but a lot are. The dogs are worth it though.

Sheltie people can be really insane too.

 

[MandyPug]

Papillon people are kinda crazy and kind of snobbish I've found. Not ALl but a lot are. The dogs are worth it though.

Sheltie people can be really insane too.

Pug people are AWFUL too... They think their pugs aren't dog and are more akin to plush toys it seems... No scratch that... more like Chines ming vases...

 

[~Jessie~]

Chihuahua breeders are a weird bunch, too. A lot of them think they're too good to let lowly others (everyone other than themselves!) have their dogs.

 

[MandyPug]

Chihuahua breeders are a weird bunch, too. A lot of them think they're too good to let lowly others (everyone other than themselves!) have their dogs.

They're like that up here too... Thats why four i can actually think of have 20-30+ dogs and are totally oblivious to how bad that makes them look even if they DO actually have top notch breeding practises.

 

[PWCorgi]

This is why most likely my next dog will be coming from a shelter.

Rescues and breeders really get my goat sometimes!

 

[Laurelin]

I find breeders will work with you if you shop around. I haven't had any problems getting a dog from a breeder yet, but I did have to look at several breeders.

 

[JacksonsMom]

Jackson's either a Silky or a Yorkie, but I'll give ya some info on Silky's since I've fallen in love with them! And Jackson pretty much fits this description to a TEE!

The Silky Terrier

Temperament
This loving, little terrier is very intelligent, courageous and alert. Affectionate, spunky, cheerful and sociable, they like to be close to their master. They are full of energy and need a good amount of exercise in order to be calm. Curious and keen they are an enthusiastic digger. Active, smart and quick. Despite their size, this docile dog makes a good watchdog. This is a sturdy breed that adjusts well to traveling.

Although a toy in size, the Silky Terrier has a true terrier personality – he is of sufficient substance to be able to hunt and kill domestic rodents. The general public occasionally confuses this breed with the Yorkie, but in reality, the Silky is larger and more closely related to the Australian Terrier. A friendly, joyful temperament and the lovely blue and tan coat make him an ideal companion.

This portable pooch can adapt well to any living situation, but make sure you have the time to devote to them – they do not like to be ignored, preferring to play fetch or go on walks with their family. Silkys are keen and energetic, so it’s best to keep them occupied. The breed must also be bathed and brushed on a regular basis.

The Silky may not be the breed for every home. You must be willing to add another intelligent being to your family as a Silky can be much like having a 2-3 year-old child loose in the home. They do not like being neglected or forgotten and if left alone for too long a time they will find entertainment that may not be to your liking!

A Silky isn't hyper but they do have tons of energy and love to play fetch, go for long walks and in general, be involved in whatever the family is doing! They are loving but independent in nature. They are not generally what are considered 'lap dogs'.

History
Developed at the end of the 1800s in Australia, the Silky Terrier was created when a number of Yorkshire Terriers from England were brought into parts of Australia and bred to Australian Terrier bitches in an attempt to improve coat color in the blue and tan Australian Terrier. The resulting litters produced individuals shown as these three different breeds. The Silkys were then bred together until a recognized type was fixed.

Health Problems
Generally healthy breed. Minor concerns are intervertebral disc disease, elbow dysplasia, patellar luxation and Legg-Perthes. This breed sometimes is afflicted with diabetes, epilepsy, tracheal collapse.

Living Conditions
The Silky Terrier is good for apartment life. They are very active indoors and will do okay without a yard if sufficiently exercised.

Exercise
The Silky Terrier is full of energy and needs to go on daily walks. It has surprising stamina and will enjoy regular chances to run and play.

Comparison: Silky, Yorkie, Australian Terrier
Comparison of Silky to Aussie & Yorkie

Performance Silky's: Silkys in Performance

 

[~Jessie~]

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[JacksonsMom]

I'll add more just because I'm bored, hehe.

My dad and stepmom has a Dachshund mix from the shelter, but he's mostly Dachshund in all of his traits and looks (he's just not so long, and maybe different ears). He's a little sweetheat lovebug and sooo opposite of Jackson in so many ways. I've tried to teach him tricks and little things, he seriously just does NOT get it. LOL. He will look at me like 'duhhhh' no matter how patient I am and how hard I try. He really reminds me alot of Eeyore (from Winnie the Pooh) but he's sooo sweet. He absolutely hates strangers tho and will bark alot.

Here's a description I found that fits him perfectly:

Curious, lively, charming, and brave, the Dachshund is similar to a terrier in his demands to be in on everything.

This comical clown loves to play games and has a great sense of humor. He is a loyal little dog, very attached to his family, and he firmly believes that sleeping under the bedcovers is in the Dachshund Bill of Rights.

Dachshunds attract devoted followers who would never consider having any other breed. Indeed, Dachshunds are often kept in pairs, which is A-OK with them, since they seem to recognize and prefer being with other "wiener dogs".

They're usually good with other family pets, too, though they can be jealous when they want attention and they can be possessive of their toys. You need to put a firm stop to the first signs of jealousy or possessiveness so that these don't become bad habits.

Though the Dachshund makes a great house dog, he does need his daily walks (on-leash! Dachshunds are chasers who will take off! -- and plenty of companionship. Loneliness will lead to excessive barking.

You'll also hear his sharp, persistent bark when people approach, for most Dachshunds are alert watchdogs who do not take kindly to strangers intruding on their domain. Again, you need to put a stop to overt signs of suspiciousness, lest this progress to nastiness.

Though bright and clever, Dachshunds like to do things their own way. In other words, they're stubborn. Cheerful praise and treats should be offered freely, as Dachsies are proud little dogs who resist force. They become irritable when pushed too far, and they may respond defensively (growling or snapping) if jerked around, handled harshly, or teased.

Other behavioral problems? Well, the Dachshund's hunting and tunneling instincts may lead to holes being dug in your garden. Also, housebreaking may go slowly, as many Dachshunds don't like to go outside in cold or wet weather. A covered potty yard is recommended, if possible.

Here's Buddy, my dads dog and one of Jackson's BFF's.

EDIT -- Oops, a Dachshund is not in the toy group. My bad. Oh well.

 

[Laurelin]

I've been looking and looking for this pic and FINALLY found it after digging.

This shows a dog at the bottom of the standard and a dog at the top of the standard, illustrating the wide range of sizes allowed in papillons. The French standard actually separates the breed into two weight classes and breeders tend to specialize towards one size. They don't do that in the US though.

ETA: Dog on the left is Mia's brother, Dallas.

 

[Paige]

Jessie, besides my love for Chihuahua's in general and Bandit's softness with small fragile beings, you're a huge reason why I want a Chihuahua in my future. I love my herding dogs with a passion but something about those little guys tugs at my heart strings.

 

[~Jessie~]

Jessie, besides my love for Chihuahua's in general and Bandit's softness with small fragile beings, you're a huge reason why I want a Chihuahua in my future. I love my herding dogs with a passion but something about those little guys tugs at my heart strings.

Yay! They are such awesome dogs. I love border collies, but chihuahuas are my number one breed.

Laur, I had no idea about the size differences in paps. I wish chis had a little more variation in sizes as well, since there are a good bit of nice looking chis in the 6-8lb range.

 

[Laurelin]

Yeah it's kind of nice they accept so much in the way of variety in size. Here's what the French standard says (I should have added that yesterday)

"SIZE AND WEIGHT

Height at the withers : About 28 cm.
Weight : two categories :

Less than 2,5 kg for dogs and bitches.

From 2,5 kg to 4,5 kg for dogs, from 2,5 kg to 5 kg for bitches.

Minimum weight 1,5 kg."

Roughly translates to 3.3 - 5.5lbs for the smaller size and the larger size is 5.5 - 10 lbs.

 

[milos_mommy]

A 4 lb papillion?!? That sounds TINY. I have never seen on that small, every one I've ever seen has been around 6-8 lbs I think.

Laur, how big are all your paps?

 

[Laurelin]

Mine are all 6-8 lbs. I've known them ranging from 2.5 - 22 lbs. Really they should be between 5-10 lbs, but undersized and oversized happen a lot. Especially oversized. I know three paps in the 20 lb range.

 

[milos_mommy]

I feel like oversized happens in most breeds. We have tons of 25 lbs poms and 25 lb bichons that come in to get groomed...and they're not overweight, just HUGE. Sometimes I have to check what the standard weight is on some breeds because I see them in such a variety of sizes.

 

[Laurelin]

Okay finally got a response from my friend about her pap and her chi: For clarification Nia is a female papillon and Pop is a male chihuahua.

Sorry, I haven't been on in a while and I just saw this.

Our Pap and Chi are very very different.

Nia is more energetic, independent and quirky. She also listens very very well and learns very quickly. She seems to shed more than our Chi. She likes tasks like fetch a lot. She doesn't like to be held that much although she doesn't mind from family. She has better endurance as well. We've hiked for 4-5 hrs with her with no problem.

Our Chi Pop is very very clingy. He crawls onto your body and flops on it or when you pick him up he flops completely. His favorite thing in the world is for people to pet him and hold him. He doesn't listen or learn as well but he's very mischievous and loves getting into trouble. He isn't as energetic as Nia and doesn't last as long in terms of endurance. He can walk for about 1.5 hrs before he refuses to walk. (we had him vet checked twice already and he's perfectly fine). He doesn't seem to enjoy many tasks like fetch and his attention span isn't as great. He's also more stubborn than Nia.

Are there any specific questions your friend wants to know? I can't think of anything specific, so do ask them to ask me questions!

 

[mjb]

I would like to hear about toy Poodles, toy Manchester Terriers (I think the small ones are in the toy group rather than the Terrier group). Also I'm interested in the Cavalier King Charles and the Havanese and toy Fox Terriers.

I have enjoyed hearing about all the different breeds that have been talked about so far. The only one I've owned is a Pug. I don't know if I'll ever have another one, but I LOVE them. Our little Pug was the sweetest, funniest little clown. I cannot imagine a sweeter dog. For that reason, I would love to have another one.

I now have a dog from the pound, so I keep thinking that's where I'll get my future dogs. I would love to get another toy dog, though, and they don't show up in the pound very often. I have not entirely given up on possibly going through a breeder again.