would you own a dog-aggressive dog?

This argument doesn't work. There are MILLIONS more Labs than there are Pit Bulls. MILLIONS. Look at the breed statistics and how many of each breed were registered last year and compare them. It is no coinsdence that Pit Bulls are at the top of that bite list by a huge margin. The statistics do not lie.

yyyeah....Lab=JRT...umm...no.

And you wonder why dogs are banned from almost everywhere? people that can't control their aggressive dogs ruin it for people who own friendly, well trained dogs. I could not care less about terrier 'instinct'. If your dog has 'killer instinct' you keep it muzzled and leashed. Unreal.

There are so many different types of aggression, it's unfair to just label a dog as "aggressive". Prey drive, dog aggression, and human aggression are THREE completely DIFFERENT things. Just because my dog has an extremely high prey drive (which in your defination makes her "aggressive"), I should keep her away from other dogs and humans? Just because she might redirect that prey drive onto dogs her own size, or onto her own people?

People like you are the reason we have so many issues with BSL.

"Oh my god that dog growled at me - it is aggressive!"
"Oh my god that dog growled at my dog - it is aggressive!"
"Oh my god that dog chased a cat out of it's yar - it is aggressive!"

Labeling dogs as just simply "aggressive" doesn't solve any problems, it doesn't protect anyone. It only creates more problems. Fear creates more fear.

wow... I don't think she's sick. I think if your dog is done in 3.5 seconds, you don't have all that much chance to stop it.
These are JRT's, and high drive ones at that. Dogs with high prey drive might kill cats, fact of life, dogs have prey drive our lot live fine with Elliot, but I have no doubt in my mind that if a strange cat came into our yard, it wouldn't be here long unless it could get out fast.
Dekka has taken action on this, she rehomed her cat so it wasn't in danger.
Other peoples cats are not her responsibility.

DA dogs ARE complicated. Its easy if you don't have one. My mum never got why I wouldn't bring Buster to dog days, until her dog became DA. Then she said "omg I finally get why Buster is so difficult"
its not black and white, its not easy and its not always avoidable.

No one here has made an excuse not to call their dogs DA, from what I've seen most people are arguing that they're dog IS DA and don't want to see that watered down because that in itself could be a dangerous frame of mind.

If a dog kills it is aggressive. I don't care what 'type' of aggression it is. Aggression is aggression and the sooner that people start realizing that the better.

WHo said anything about training it out of an animal..you direct it. THe sheep dog learns to herd the sheep to follow command. THe pointer learns to hold the point. THe lab learns to bring the bird. TO stop on a whistle turn and take hand signals. SEeing eye dogs oh boy here we go again..learn to follow the rules instead of their personal satisfaction. I am just astonished that you think a jack russell or a hound can not e trained to leave cats alone. Put the dang dog on a leash. Introduce it to many cats..say NO. WAlk in the neighborhood..see a cat...say no. ENforce it! Repeat enforcing it, and make it a law. Practice it daily until you get er done.YOur dog will get that faster then you will understand this. THey are not near as stupid as it seems people here think they are. Older dogs take longer, but it too can be done. I had a leg hiking jack russell that was put in my care to break him of it. I put him on a leash and put that on my belt loop and we learned that not in my house or any other house was he going to do that. IT took 3 days. This whole business in this thread makes me sick to my stomach. I had no idea that people thought they could excuse bad behavior away like that. THe only reason i come back is in hopes that one person might actually see some sense in this. NO one's pet has the right to harm or kill another. IF your animal is that out of control, you are not training it properly. IF you have several that are out of control, you should have never gotten the second one until you had the first one trained. THat is the owner's responsibility not the communities to look out for them. Renee says it doesnt' make the courts happy, ok, i will take that back, but it does make for a lot of messy paperwork, hurt feelings and most of all pain and suffering.

Or if they are contained properly and trained they might not.

Labra you do know dogs are carnivores yes? they eat meat? They weren't always fed out of bowls and cans yes? They sometimes helped people's hunt and obtain their food, yes? They are descended from wolves...which you know, catch and eat living things as well?

LOL, reading your last post makes it obvious to me that your agenda here is anti dog in general...

It must be so very nice to live in a world of black and white. Must make things a lot easier for you.

That's all. Carry on.

omg your not serious?

Prey Drive does not equal aggression.
Prey drive is basic dog instinct.

They are 2 VERY different things and shoudl NEVER be confused

Labra...are you serious? A cat comes into a yard and the DOG is the bad guy? Puh leeze...cat owners that allow cats to run at large...many times in cities where leash/containment laws apply to dogs AND cats...are their own worst enemy.

It is pretty sick. It is so easy to blame it on "drive" and "instinct". Yup, my dog is allowed to kill but it doesn't matter because it is just his drive and instinct. What a load crap. Your dog kills and attacks things because it is aggressive and you have no control of it.

shakes head and walks away...i guess you all want uncontrollable cat killing animals. I personally will not ever allow that here. IF a dog cannot be trained out of a horrid behavior like that, there is something wrong, either with the trainer, or the dog. end for me. I give up.

Wow, you don't say?

One problem though. Dogs are not wolves. Domestic dogs have not had to hunt for their own food for hundreds of years...thousands in some cases. So that arguement really holds no relevence.

These are all examples of redirected prey drive that for a LONG time have been bred to be redirected that way. You can not grab a working bred JRT and say "NO! you shoudl POINT at the aquirrel, not kill it"

BC's have herding instict built in, Pointers have point and hold instinct built in, JRT's have hightened prey drive built in. You have to except what you've got.

Yes it is a basic dog instinct. But allowing your dog to KILL another creature goes way beyond basic instinct. If killing another creature such as a cat is not aggression, what the heck is it? I'd love to know.

my turn


...wow

If you can't stop your dog from killing an animal like a cat, you have some serious training and behavioural issues you need to work on.

Cats are not like dogs which is why they can roam freely. Judging by the number of cat killing dogs on this forum, thank goodness most dogs are not allowed to roam freely. It is sad what the world of dog ownership has become. .

smkie would you volunteer your cats to proof a cat aggro dog? LOL....please...you are asking owners to put their animals into harms way for something that MIGHT work. Very irresponsible to put other pets at risk to "try" and help a situation.

And also smkie...I have seen how many Pointers, Labs and such are "trained" to do what needs doing and not every pet owner is willing to go that route...

If you believe in POSITIVE reinforcement training then you manage the situation and prevent incidences where an animal might be hurt. It is irresponsible to do otherwise. Not everyone is comfortable bullying their dogs in that manner....that being "here's a cat...NO NO NO NO", *yank*

And again if cat owners were responsible and kept their animals off other folks property and out of yards containing dogs perhaps the problem would not even be an issue.