Unchain the dogs of New York State!

[corgipower]

I will now..and forever...be against dogs chained FOREVER in some backyard. for goodness sakes...that isn't any kind of life. will I chain my dog for a brief period while I'm busy...sure. did I ever have my dog on 'a run'...sure I did...again, lots of running while I did yard work. we were both quite happy. BUT...you want to chain your dog...forever.......outside in the backyard? why? why have a dog? why subject them to that life? the subject of CHAINING.......it means simply......do you CHAIN forever, or do you just sometimes chain your pupper for a half hour? you chain FOREVER......then you are a poor excuse for a dog owner. there should be NO discussion in this. you chain forever......YOU SUCK. you chain sometimes......well, we all do that sometimes. but the difference is you then bring your puppers in again. to love them. who doesn't see the difference here???????????

No one here is in favor of permanent chaining. We also are not in favor of legislation that serves to punish responsible owners simply because they cannot have a fence or they have a dog who climbs, digs or plows right through fences. The dog that lives on a chain his entire life with no interaction, if taken off the chain will only be either put in a basement and ignored or left to roam the streets. Again, it's not the chain that is the problem, it's the irresponsibility of some owners.

 

[corgipower]

And then to suggest that people don't own breeds which can't be responsibly confined with the limited number of options that you do agree with (isn't that infact promoting a new kind of BSL?).

Yes, that's the whole not-so-well-hidden agenda of the AR movement. Dogs should only be owned by those who meet a very limited set of unrealistic criteria. That will dwindle the pet owning population considerably, and then they'll find ways to limit the criteria again until nobody is able to meet them and nobody owns dogs.

That's not exactly something I am going to just sit by and watch happen.

 

[darkchild16]

Yea Im going to get a invisible fence to hold a AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER that is INTACT!?!?!?!?!?! That would be more responsible then making sure he is in my yard SAFE. And you can go ahead and get my WORKING American Pit Bull Terrier his full need of excercise on a leash. PFFFFFFFFFFT!. And it is also not advisable to let a AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER off leash no matter how well they are trained UNLESS they are working. So that would mean Tytus wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get his excercise because neither my father nor I are capable of holding his line when he is running the yard with Walker, but he wouldnt be chained. Hmmmm LETS THINK ABOUT THIS?!
But then again I geuss it would make you happier if American Pit Bull Terriers were banned. Plus then I wouldnt be here today to bring up roadblocks for you so I geuss it would all fit into a nice little package for you huh.

 

[RD]

And it's real humane to run an electrical current through a dog as a means of confinement. I'm surprised at you, Summit! I thought you'd be against such cruelty.

 

[darkchild16]

i know lets shock a dog, or chain which cannot physically hurt the dog. HMMMMMM

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Ladies...

 

[sparks19]

Those dogs do deserve better, yes. If one actually reads the Dogs Deserve Better site, it also speaks for dogs that are kenneled cruelly or for their entire lives.

And as for the people who can't have a fence due to the neighborhood they live in, then they should invest in an invisible fence or own the according type and number of dogs which can be handled without a fence. Believe it or not, some people walk their dogs religiously.

You can point fingers all you want, but this isn't about me or the e-mails I've received threatening to find my house and let my dogs loose. It's about the dogs out there rotting at the ends of chains, and soon the needed legislation will come.

When so many options are available for safely confining a dog, there is just no excuse for a chain.

OK ....

My dog Teddy (God rest his soul)...

When I had to live with my dad for a brief time before I could move into my apartment...He had a backyard and the backyard was fenced. HOWEVER, the backyard faced out onto a VERY VERY VERY busy street and also a busy sidewalk who often had kids and drunks who constantly broke boards off our fence. We fixed it so many times but just about every night another board would be torn off. So... having such an unreliable fence with people constantly breaking it... I would put Teddy on a tie out line (about 50 feet of line all together) and we would go out into the yard to play. i would NOT risk him possibly running out into that road... that would be a death sentence. Take him for walks to satisfy his exercise needs? HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah... a walk wasn't even close to what he needed to satisfy his needs. he needed to be able to run. and being on the tie out allowed him to do that. We could play fetch, he could chase me around, he could run and play and sniff and do whatever made him happy. You cannot tell me that a dog that needed 4+ hours of running a day would ever be satisfied with a couple of walks PFFT. nonsense.

NOT to mention... that taking him for a walk was eventually what killed him. he was on his leash and the clasp malfunctioned as we were nearing the road and before I even realized the leash had broken and had a chance to call him back he was hit by a car.

So PLEASE don't hand me that bull that taking him for a walk was better for him than being able to run around and play with me while on a tie out.

besides... isn't a leash and a tie out essentially the same thing if the dog is playing with it's owner?

 

[lakotasong]

Actually, there are also invisible fence collars which have a spray, and some which make an intensifying beeping noise.

And I have witnessed APBT and AST contained by invisible fence systems - though which type they were, I do not know. These were dogs in the local community that I passed daily while doing Cross-Country running practice with my high school team. Is it a good idea? Not for every dog, of course, but for some it works quite well.

 

[RD]

Interesting, I've yet to see them. I'm also positive that, while more humane than a shock collar, they wouldn't work on a dog with any more drive than your average guinea pig. For 99% of dog owners who cannot fence their yard, this is not a viable option.

Have you considered that a 10' tie-out actually gives a dog more space and freedom to move around than an average sized outdoor kennel does?

 

[sparks19]

Actually, there are also invisible fence collars which have a spray, and some which make an intensifying beeping noise.

And I have witnessed APBT and AST contained by invisible fence systems - though which type they were, I do not know. These were dogs in the local community that I passed daily while doing Cross-Country running practice with my high school team. Is it a good idea? Not for every dog, of course, but for some it works quite well.

PFFT... yeah....

This house we are in now has an invisible fence.

It has the noise that warns of impending shock. and when you are training your dog to use the fence they suggest that you allow the dog to get shocked one time so they know what the sound means.

HAHA YEAH... well Teddy got shocked and screamed bloody murder. and anytime after that he was afraid of the yard if he had the collar on. Anytime he would hear that beep he would high tail it back to the door with his tail tucked. Eventually I just stopped using the collar and made a closeline run for him... then he had access to the whole yard without getting shocked. he could run and play and when we eventually found the KEY to keeping him focused (a water gun of all things actually) then we could let him off the tie out. If we had that gun he was 100% focused on it. But he was more tortured by the beeping of that god awful fence than he EVER was by having a tie out attached to his collar.

 

[Danegirl2208]

there is just no excuse for a chain.

What a ridiculous statement

Maybe you ment: There is no excuse for IRRESPONSIBILITY.

I certainly will never let my girls be alone together out back..so does that mean they shouldn't have some outside time? Nope...they are out back as I type on their chains. Perfectly happy. I really do not understand..only thing these laws do is punish responsible dog owners. Idiots are idiots..take away chains and that same idiot is going to lock their dog up in a small crate, or in the basement, or wherever. It is not going to magically make them a better dog owner.

 

[darkchild16]

Summit ANYONE with a APBT or AST that leaves them offleash unattended should NOT own one. Yea a spray to the face is gonna stop my drivey APBT to run out of my yard yeaaaa NOT! A shock would phase a APBT pffft my dog accidently got hit with a cattle prod and didnt even notice it. Even IF it worked 99% of the time 99% of the time there is that 1% the fence can malfunction, power can go out, collar can die and then I have a loose MALE INTACT APBT on my hands. That is so very responsible of me though because Im not using the the method that works 100% of the time. Summit you obviously do not know much about APBT's or similar types of dogs so why don't you go educate yourself on them then come back and tell me I should let my dog be in a position where there is a POSSIBILITY for him to run loose.

 

[DryCreek]

Anti tethering and Mandatory Spay Neuter laws may seem like noble goals.

Who can argue against feel good legislation without coming across as uncaring or irresponsible. You can't argue against that kind of selective ignorance with facts and truth because peoples feeling and views are involved.

ANY law that punishes the law abiding just to get to the others is wrong on so many levels.

It's the same as BSL, it blames every dog of a certain breed for the actions of a few.

Sarcasm on-

Hey, why not BSL as only criminals and dog fighters own APBT's and the like. Who cares about the many pet owners who care for their animals and do their best by them. They won't mind being grouped together and painted with the same brush as drug dealers, after all it's for their own good. They just don't know any better so we must tell them what they have to do to make us happy!

Of course, we could always judge each case individually but why take the time to do so? It's so much easier to label them all at once so we don't have to do our jobs!

Sarcasm off-

Even with "proof" that many dog owners use responsible, humane chaining methods as a way to keep their dogs safe, it's not enough to stop the judgmental types that want this legislation passed. We're not good owners because there is no way any amount/type of chaining could be considered humane....god forbid. Can't afford a fence, to bad, you shouldn't have a dog then. Dog's don't get along, too bad, deal with it.

I'm sure I can figure out how to make sure my APBT's accept the fact that they must get along at all times, and if they don't, oh well, life in a crate will be so much better for them than to be outside with freedom of movement eh And my husky, well, he'll have to learn that my chickens are not his free range buffet. :yikes:

As for the guy up the road who's dog's run free....so sorry but they came to visit and weren't welcomed with open arms. To bad, so sad.

Like I've said before and I'll say again, HUMANS abuse and neglect animals, not inanimate objects like tethers and rolled up newspapers or guns. BUT< not all humans who tether abuse and neglect.

Punish the innocent, what a concept....

 

[Boreayl_Chinooks]

Actually, I use an electric fence and I believe it to be the most humane tool for my setup. I live on a rural highway where semi's roar by sometimes at 65 mph. Summitview, have you ever lost a dog to a semi? Well I have and I can tell you it really really REALLY sucks.

My e-fence is clearly visible and installed in a continuous loop 6 inches in from my 5 foot chain link fence and 6 inches off the ground. The dogs know what it is and where it is and that all they have to do is keep slightly away from the fence to avoid it. There are no surprises and the chainlink serves to remind them of the barrier should they lose their brains in an outbreak of zoomies. As a result it's VERY rare that anyone gets zapped and none of the dogs are afraid of it.

Fences, chains, citronella collars, leashes, utility rooms, crates, kennels...it's all about options isn't it!? This is why I am firmly against laws that affect not just the irresponsible parties, but everyone including these half hatched anti-teathering laws. A method is only as humane or cruel as the person who applies it. You can't legislate compassion or common sense...

Now, where can I find a list of the legislators in NY? This thread has inspired me to write to them.

Debbie

 

[Dekka]

Actually, there are also invisible fence collars which have a spray, and some which make an intensifying beeping noise.

And I have witnessed APBT and AST contained by invisible fence systems - though which type they were, I do not know. These were dogs in the local community that I passed daily while doing Cross-Country running practice with my high school team. Is it a good idea? Not for every dog, of course, but for some it works quite well.

Yep it could work. Would I trust it? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!! I love my dogs too much. I know countless stories of dogs getting out, and then being afraid of coming home. JRTs are bred for hunting, many top breeding dogs still do. So lets say they see a squirrel, no spay is going to stop that dog. But after it is done chasing the squirrel (assuming it doesn't get hit by a car) it might be leery of coming home again.

How is that IN ANY WAY, ANY WAY at all better than tying the dog up for 30min or so?



But hey I know you are so right!- dead dogs, scared dogs, dogs locked away where no one can see if they have food or water is so much MORE humane! Way to go! Lets end dog ownership and be done with it.

 

[Laurelin]

I just read this and it keeps getting longer and longer.

You guys shut up so I can respond! lol

I've seen dogs get out of invisible fencing all the time- start fights with other dogs, get hit by cars, etc. Not something I would risk.

We had a GSD x (look to avatar) that was an ESCAPE artist. Our housing regulations only allowed a 4 ft wood fence, which was not going to hold him inside our yard at all. If you let him out, he'd open the gate, dig under, break down boards, etc. We were out there MOST the time he was, but he was a strong, very capable guy who would escape if left outside for even a few minutes by himself just because he could. He was tethered on occasion, but we also had to run an electric fence around the yard to keep him in. Still, though, he could jump it, etc and there was just no real stopping him.

Now, this isn't a problem at all with the breeds I have now, but with some it is. So I guess it is like BSL in a way, isn't it? However, I do crate, use pens, I do use choke chains and other tools that some people would call abusive. My dogs are not abused. I also have an intact dog that will stay intact which is also one of those 'horrible things to do', I suppose.

Plus in our neighborhood now, there are strict fencing rules- iron or chain link and 4 ft only, so people do have to come up with other ways to safely allow their dogs outside.

The point is, there is not one way to properly own dogs. I don't chain my dogs at all, but I want the right to care for my dogs properly and in the way that is the best for them. Just because someone does not follow your ideal method of housing, feeding, training their dogs does not make them abusive. I for one want the right to be able to chose how to care for my own animals.

Crack down on real abuse- starving dogs, dog fighting, neglect- not chaining.

 

[darkchild16]

but didnt you know Laurlin that a chain abuses and neglects a dog

 

[Miakoda]

Actually, there are also invisible fence collars which have a spray, and some which make an intensifying beeping noise.

And I have witnessed APBT and AST contained by invisible fence systems - though which type they were, I do not know. These were dogs in the local community that I passed daily while doing Cross-Country running practice with my high school team. Is it a good idea? Not for every dog, of course, but for some it works quite well.

Yippe skippe. So an invisible fence will actually contain a dog (highly unlikely, but for arguments sake I will say it like this). But, does it keep other wandering dogs out? Nope. Does it keep people out? Nope. So really, how great of a protection is it?

Summitt, I almost expect your next post to be about how keeping dogs "prisoner" is cruel and unusual punishment and how we should just allow them to go back to being the wild animals they once were. Oh, I'm sorry, that's PETA's stance.

The point is, there is not one way to properly own dogs.

AMEN!

Soon I guess that my making my child sleep in a cage with bars that he cannot get out of, also known as a crib, is neglect and child abuse.

 

[darkchild16]

I wasnt even gonna touch on that one Mia. And I still dont see how a IF would keep family dogs SEPERATED from fighting? Unless you have multiple IF and yea like thats gonna work LOL.

 

[sparks19]

Summit ANYONE with a APBT or AST that leaves them offleash unattended should NOT own one. Yea a spray to the face is gonna stop my drivey APBT to run out of my yard yeaaaa NOT! A shock would phase a APBT pffft my dog accidently got hit with a cattle prod and didnt even notice it. Even IF it worked 99% of the time 99% of the time there is that 1% the fence can malfunction, power can go out, collar can die and then I have a loose MALE INTACT APBT on my hands. That is so very responsible of me though because Im not using the the method that works 100% of the time. Summit you obviously do not know much about APBT's or similar types of dogs so why don't you go educate yourself on them then come back and tell me I should let my dog be in a position where there is a POSSIBILITY for him to run loose.

NOT to mention....

My friend has a Boxer and they have the invisible fence. One night we had a TERRIBLE thunderstorm. and for some reason it caused a malfunction in the fence system. it caused the collar to constantly give off that beep it gives before the shock comes. her dog was tortured all night (he was with her elderly parents and they couldn't get it open to get the battery out) until she got home from work to take out the battery and shut off the collar.

What a nice humane product