Rutland Manor

[krisykris]

I guess, I just feel like they take such good care of the dogs. And the dogs look so happy.

 

[dogsarebetter]

you notice you are the only one on here that thinks that?
i am not trying to be rude, but NO ONE who cares about dogs would have that many and breed that many. its all about the money
a puppy mill will also tell you ANYTHING so you will think they are great, and buy a puppy. i would highly highly recommend you read some more about puppy mills and the horid lives the dog lives, etc.

good luck finding a dog
i really dont mean to sound rude, i just really want you to see that its a bad place, and you shouldnt get a dog there.

 

[Boemy]

Of course the dogs look happy. A picture of a happy dog sells puppies, a picture of a sad dog doesn't. There are so many "doodles" in shelters, please get one of them instead. Or consider other breeds.

 

[dogsarebetter]

IMO you will have lots of trouble finding a reputable breeder with laberdoodles. someone correct me, but MOST reputable breeders would never even consider breeding a mix! i am not sure if there is a such thing as a reputable doodle breeder.

 

[silverpawz]

I guess, I just feel like they take such good care of the dogs. And the dogs look so happy.

If the only requirement for taking good care of the dogs is keeping a clean facility, then sure. But, breeding a female every heat cycle is not taking good care of them. (how would you feel if you had a child every ten months, for years?)

Breeding so many dogs that they are unable to keep track of them or properly screen the homes is not taking good care of them.

Neither is passing along the females to other 'breeders' for more breeding after they've done their time at Rutland.

And of course they look happy. They wouldn't post any pictures of unhappy dogs...that wouldn't make them any money.

Bottom line, if you give these people money, you're supporting a puppy mill plain and simple. The fancy website and sweet talk may disguise it, but they are still a puppy mill.

 

[silverpawz]

but MOST reputable breeders would never even consider breeding a mix! I am not sure if there is a such thing as a reputable doodle breeder.

I honestly don't think there is either. People can claim to be breeding only a small amount of litters, and only tested parents, but it still comes down to breeding mixes. personally I feel we have enough breeds to choose from as it is.

 

[dogsarebetter]

and the fact that doodles are hot on the market and bring in lots of money.
and breeding for money you HAVE to cut corners because breeding right you dont profit.

 

[MyIrishWolfie]

In the end.. you'll do what you want to do.. I hope you'll be wise and not choose a pup from a puppy mill but perhaps from a shelter.

I wish you the best of luck in choosing your next pup

 

[krisykris]

Well I didn't want to start a big debate here, I was just looking for opinions and I've gotten them, so I'll take them into consideration. I said, again that i'd be going to Australia and seeing the facilities and the dogs, seeing how many times they were bred, ect. If I didn't feel comfortable I wouldn't do it.

 

[Zoom]

I think there was one "decent" Labradoodle kennel in Australia named Cloud Catcher? Or something along those lines...there was a thread about them on here not too long ago, do a search and you should find it.

 

[silverpawz]

Sounds like you've already got your mind made up. I know I wouldn't take a trip to Australia unless I was pretty sure I wanted a pup....

Anyway, good luck in your dog search.

 

[krisykris]

Thanks Zoom! I'll look for it!

 

[krisykris]

Silverpawz- My fiancee goes to australia ALL the time. It's easy for me to tag along, therefore it wouldn't be a special trip and no my mind isn't made up. I feel like you're jumping to conclusions..

 

[silverpawz]

As I said before, good luck in your dog search.

 

[krisykris]

Ugh, I'm sorry I even brought it up

 

[Boemy]

Do they CERF or OFA (or do the Aussie equivalents)?

I noticed that they say this:

HD and elbow disorders can be induced by improper excercise, and a too-high protein diet in the rapid growth phase of the puppy.

But they don't mention that they can also be induced by genetics. Which makes me wonder.

 

[Zoom]

Krisy, it's a touchy subject here, since so many of us work in rescue and shelters, and they're overflowing with Labradoodles, imported or domestic. There is a shelter out in Oregon that just had 42? Labradoodle puppies come in because someone got a little overzealous with their breeding program and couldn't take care of the resulting litters.

Unfortunely, "Australian Labradoodle" is starting to become as much of a selling tag as "Teacup Chihuahua" or "Pocket Puggle".

 

[adoptashelterpettoday]

Please lay off of Kris, she has expressed quite a bit of interest in adoption and "being on her back" doesnt help. We can educate in a kind manner..

I am sure she will make the right decision and we all need to support her.

We all know about "Labradoodle" breeders, but instead of being mean to her why dont you give her links to "labradoodles" who need rescuing here in the states?

Or why dont you give her links to reputable PWD breeders??

I also know if she goes to Austraillia to look at these breeder's set up I am sure she will be wise enough not to buy one of the puppies since my educated guess is they arent kept in the most ideal set up (and the mama's are probably bred SO much).

Kris-my advice is if you do go to Australlia go there with the promise to yourself that if the conditions are bad you wont feel sorry for a puppy and take one home. If they are kept in bad conditions (which I would bet money they are) then dont keep this person in buisness by buying one of her pups. Why dont you check out one of those 42 in the shelter in Oregon? I know it is quite a trip but all the rescues around here have no problem shipping dogs across country as long as your references check out..

I too dont think there is such a thing as a reputable "labradoodle" breeder..

 

[krisykris]

Zoom,

I understand. To be honest, I can't tell you how many times that I've wanted to adopt an animal from the shelter. In most cases, the animals available at my local shelters are just not suitable for my health issues.

I'm looking to make an educated choice is all. I plan on asking a very detailed list of questions. I'm not jumping on any trend bandwagon. I appreciate everyone's opinion.

I just feel attacked I guess. Just because I don't want a pure breed or I can't find a dog that works for me at a shelter. I also have two small dogs and the shelters I've contacted about some of their pups can't be adopted to a household like mine because of their personalities or issues.

I'm doing the best I can to find a win win situation. I don't like it when people judge me just based on asking a question. And, whether I am being judged or not, that is how I feel.

 

[krisykris]

Thanks Adopt. I have checked out every link you've sent me. Maybe I'm just not adoption savvy.. but most people I contact to adopt will not let the animal leave a certain county or be picked up by car or plane. I live in a rural area to say the least and most any place I'll adopt from will be a far ways from me.

Do you have any tips for negotiating with the rescues?

Thanks again <3