Rutland Manor
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Please broaden your search. Stop looking for one particular mix and look at other dogs too. Lots of pure breeds have coats that are reliable and good for allergy sufferers (like the ones I mentioned in my other post with the links), but know this. There is no such thing as a 'non-shedding' dog (only low shedding) and no coat is 100% perfect. Even if a dog is great for one person with allergies, it may be bad for another.
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The only problem w/me finding a rescue Australian Labradoodle is that I need the non shedding low allergen coat. I think it's going to be hard to find that quality in a rescue 
if "non-shedding" and "low allergen" is an issue, i think you'd be much MUCH better off looking for a purebred poodle or portie or whatever. get the dog somewhere that you can MEET it first to find out if it sets off your allergies.
So true Elegy. And just because the kennel is overseas doesn't mean it's reputable. Labradoodles, despite what you may think, are not accepted down here in Australia as a real breed nor do they get any respect. They are also top of the pile where backyard breeders and puppymills are concerned and both those people would love to convince someone overseas who can pay a lot of cash (because american money is worth more than aussie dollars) to buy one of their badly bred dogs.
Don't be suckered into it. Unless you know the breed (and breeders) inside out and back to front, make sure you can go to the breeders house and grill them with questions in person whilst checking out their dogs and their home.
Cass.
Don't be suckered into it. Unless you know the breed (and breeders) inside out and back to front, make sure you can go to the breeders house and grill them with questions in person whilst checking out their dogs and their home.
Cass.
I'm only going to purchase from Rutland if I am able to go to the breeding facilities myself and check it out.
I know there's no guarantee on allergy friendliness (belieeeeeeeeeve me I know, lol) but there's a woman a few hours from me who has a labradoodle from Rutland that I was thinking of visiting to see how it went.
We're also looking into the PWD, but I'm having a hard time finding breeders in my area (NY) and surrounding.
I know there's no guarantee on allergy friendliness (belieeeeeeeeeve me I know, lol) but there's a woman a few hours from me who has a labradoodle from Rutland that I was thinking of visiting to see how it went.
We're also looking into the PWD, but I'm having a hard time finding breeders in my area (NY) and surrounding.
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Check this site out if you really want a Poodle mix rescue, they have hundreds of dogs!!
http://www.poomixrescue.com/
PWG in rescue: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7345761
No kids though..Jeez!! There are only 2 PWG in rescue, 1 PWG mix. That's nuts...
http://www.poomixrescue.com/
PWG in rescue: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7345761
No kids though..Jeez!! There are only 2 PWG in rescue, 1 PWG mix. That's nuts...
Just for your information - there are some Labradoodles that have HORRIBLE coats and DO shed.. an insane amount like a lab...
We get LOTS of this type of dog in for grooming.. at least three a week.
Every single one that comes in is high energy, full of puppy playfulness - no matter what the age, they NEVER calm down lol Not sure if its just that the dog isn't stimulated at home, or if its the breed?
Some of the dogs that come in have a nasty THICK THICK coat that is nearly impossble to look "nice" after a clip. The other kind looks fabulous. they have the poodle like coat.
This breed is NOT a guarunteed "non-shedding" breed.
Please keep that in mind.
We get LOTS of this type of dog in for grooming.. at least three a week.
Every single one that comes in is high energy, full of puppy playfulness - no matter what the age, they NEVER calm down lol Not sure if its just that the dog isn't stimulated at home, or if its the breed?
Some of the dogs that come in have a nasty THICK THICK coat that is nearly impossble to look "nice" after a clip. The other kind looks fabulous. they have the poodle like coat.
This breed is NOT a guarunteed "non-shedding" breed.
Please keep that in mind.
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Heres another rescue in NY who has a couple "poo mixes"
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/NY589.html
Auburn NY-"labradoodle" http://www.bci.net/users/FLSPCA/index2.html
Medina NY-"goldendoodle" http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7030090
Baby "labradoodles" http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7284998
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7285172
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7343820
Another one with same rescue: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7374109
It's no problem, I actually have fun looking for people dogs. Remember some rescues ship as well so if the dog you want is far away..Let us know how it goes.
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/NY589.html
Auburn NY-"labradoodle" http://www.bci.net/users/FLSPCA/index2.html
Medina NY-"goldendoodle" http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7030090
Baby "labradoodles" http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7284998
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7285172
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7343820
Another one with same rescue: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7374109
It's no problem, I actually have fun looking for people dogs. Remember some rescues ship as well so if the dog you want is far away..Let us know how it goes.
Against my better judgement (as Rutland and Tegan Park infuriate me) I am once again surfing their website to point out some reasons why these places are not responsible breeders...
Rutland states:
And then also states:
With the mass production of their "Australian Labradoodles," and admittingly high export to the United States, I find it very difficult to believe that:
a) They keep track of each dog they export well enough to know that the dog is still in the home they placed it in.
b) The "thousands" of doodles they admit end up in shelters are in no way related to the many dogs they have exported to the US.
c) The dogs they have exported to the US have been used in accordance with their "breeding guidelines."
Rutland states:
This statement more or less admits to the fact that their breeding dogs are not viewed or treated as family house dogs, but rather breeding machines. Once their females have "done their time," it's the out with the old and in with the new mindset, which disgusts me. It also makes me wonder how they assure that their breeding stock is not coming down with genetic health problems mid to late life, since they pawn them off to pet homes once they're done breeding the bajeezus out of them, and so can't continue CERF testing yearling, or OFA at a later date, or witness the dog's health through mid and late life. Often, genetic health problems don't show up right away. But if they get the dog bred and out of there fast enough, they'll never be faced with having to witness the long term affects of what they're doing.
Rutland states:
I find it rather humorous that they think breaking national breed club Codes of Ethics is nothing, and strive to protect the identity of those who sold them dogs for mixed breeding purposes. Or perhaps the information is not being given because they acquired mediocre dogs from backyard breeders and puppymills (who are often times not members of national breed clubs) and wish to keep that a secret? I also can find no mention of the woman who allowed them to breed to her Wheatens. If she was so supportive and her dogs so valued, why not credit her with name and kennel information? Again, the "secrecy" behind some of their practices really worries me.
Tegan Park states:
Non shedding, "non smelly" dog breeds ALREADY EXIST. Why attempt to create another and charge 15K - 20K when there are already suitable dogs in existance? The answer is MONEY.
Tegan Park states:
While they admit to having exported large volumes of these dogs to the US, I don't see how they can:
a) Have a legally binding contract to assure that they will be able to get the above listed feedback and visitation.
b) Possibly have screened each home properly to make sure each and every puppy buyer was a good choice.
The term "adoption program" also flat out disgusts me. I see puppymills and backyard breeders try to use that line when selling their dogs/puppies. It is only more sugar coating to try and hide the fact that they mass produce unethically.
Rutland states:
Sounds like a "liquidation sale" at a car dealership, doesn't it? And while they boast that they breed their females back to back to back to back to back, they are now offering these poor girls intact to continue their life as breeding machines??? WHY? The answer is MONEY. Intact dogs sell for MORE. So just throw quality of life out the window in the name of MONEY, yes that sounds delightful.
Rutland states:
And then also states:
With the mass production of their "Australian Labradoodles," and admittingly high export to the United States, I find it very difficult to believe that:
a) They keep track of each dog they export well enough to know that the dog is still in the home they placed it in.
b) The "thousands" of doodles they admit end up in shelters are in no way related to the many dogs they have exported to the US.
c) The dogs they have exported to the US have been used in accordance with their "breeding guidelines."
Rutland states:
This statement more or less admits to the fact that their breeding dogs are not viewed or treated as family house dogs, but rather breeding machines. Once their females have "done their time," it's the out with the old and in with the new mindset, which disgusts me. It also makes me wonder how they assure that their breeding stock is not coming down with genetic health problems mid to late life, since they pawn them off to pet homes once they're done breeding the bajeezus out of them, and so can't continue CERF testing yearling, or OFA at a later date, or witness the dog's health through mid and late life. Often, genetic health problems don't show up right away. But if they get the dog bred and out of there fast enough, they'll never be faced with having to witness the long term affects of what they're doing.
Rutland states:
I find it rather humorous that they think breaking national breed club Codes of Ethics is nothing, and strive to protect the identity of those who sold them dogs for mixed breeding purposes. Or perhaps the information is not being given because they acquired mediocre dogs from backyard breeders and puppymills (who are often times not members of national breed clubs) and wish to keep that a secret? I also can find no mention of the woman who allowed them to breed to her Wheatens. If she was so supportive and her dogs so valued, why not credit her with name and kennel information? Again, the "secrecy" behind some of their practices really worries me.
Tegan Park states:
Non shedding, "non smelly" dog breeds ALREADY EXIST. Why attempt to create another and charge 15K - 20K when there are already suitable dogs in existance? The answer is MONEY.
Tegan Park states:
While they admit to having exported large volumes of these dogs to the US, I don't see how they can:
a) Have a legally binding contract to assure that they will be able to get the above listed feedback and visitation.
b) Possibly have screened each home properly to make sure each and every puppy buyer was a good choice.
The term "adoption program" also flat out disgusts me. I see puppymills and backyard breeders try to use that line when selling their dogs/puppies. It is only more sugar coating to try and hide the fact that they mass produce unethically.
Rutland states:
Sounds like a "liquidation sale" at a car dealership, doesn't it? And while they boast that they breed their females back to back to back to back to back, they are now offering these poor girls intact to continue their life as breeding machines??? WHY? The answer is MONEY. Intact dogs sell for MORE. So just throw quality of life out the window in the name of MONEY, yes that sounds delightful.
I had to make this two posts because Chazhound told me I typed too much for one post, whoops!! That's what happens when I get mad I guess! :lol-sign:
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They claim their dogs all live in "guardian" homes (BTW: "guardian" is an animal rights, PETA term) - yet they also boast about their "facility." These two things confuse and concern me. It also leads me to believe that they have the "guardian" homes paying for all of the daily doggy life needs, while they profit from the breedings? Also, if these dogs actually are living in home environments then WHY are they being sold after they are done breeding? I thought they were already in a home? It gets me thinking that they have a network of folks that simply act as foster homes and constantly circulate breeding animals for the facility so they can avoid looking like one giant kennel operation. So I highly doubt, even in "guardian homes," that these dogs are treated as pets and family members - but rather as breeding machines who are waiting their turn in line to fulfill their usefulness and then get placed.
If you want an allergy friendly dog, THEY ALREADY EXIST! You can ADOPT purebreds from animal shelters and purebred rescues. You can also purchase pet quality puppies from responsible, ethical show/work breeders.
Tegan Park and Rutland Manor are nothing more than cleverly disguised mass breeding operations out to make a buck.
If you are in New York and want to see some dogs first hand and meet some responsible breeders, go to a dog show! There is a huge show at the New York State Fairgrounds in Syracuse that is going on as I type. The last day is Sunday. This is an excellent way to meet breeders and find the type of dog you're looking for!!
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They claim their dogs all live in "guardian" homes (BTW: "guardian" is an animal rights, PETA term) - yet they also boast about their "facility." These two things confuse and concern me. It also leads me to believe that they have the "guardian" homes paying for all of the daily doggy life needs, while they profit from the breedings? Also, if these dogs actually are living in home environments then WHY are they being sold after they are done breeding? I thought they were already in a home? It gets me thinking that they have a network of folks that simply act as foster homes and constantly circulate breeding animals for the facility so they can avoid looking like one giant kennel operation. So I highly doubt, even in "guardian homes," that these dogs are treated as pets and family members - but rather as breeding machines who are waiting their turn in line to fulfill their usefulness and then get placed.
If you want an allergy friendly dog, THEY ALREADY EXIST! You can ADOPT purebreds from animal shelters and purebred rescues. You can also purchase pet quality puppies from responsible, ethical show/work breeders.
Tegan Park and Rutland Manor are nothing more than cleverly disguised mass breeding operations out to make a buck.
If you are in New York and want to see some dogs first hand and meet some responsible breeders, go to a dog show! There is a huge show at the New York State Fairgrounds in Syracuse that is going on as I type. The last day is Sunday. This is an excellent way to meet breeders and find the type of dog you're looking for!!
Summit.. I agree with some of the things you've pointed out. I also know that there are already dogs with an allergy friendly coat. I haven't done all my research on Rutland or Tegan and I also haven't put down a deposit or held a puppy. I'm just in the process of searching out which dog would be best for me, to complete my family. If this happens to be a labradoodle mix - then that is the one I'll chose.
I'm going to make sure that I check out all rescue possibilities and other breed options. My fiancee and I have always really like labradoodles and the PWD so those are the main two we are considering.
If I buy from Rutland -- I will be going to Australia to look around the breeding facilities myself. My fiancee frequently goes there for work, and I would be able to go with him.
I have trouble going to dog shows because of the abundance of different breeds of dogs in the same place. It is difficult because my allergies and asthma to most dogs are severe and when I'm in a setting like that, I usually have a very severe asthma attack that sometimes requires hospitalization.
The reason I felt most comfortable with Rutland was because they've done the process of placing dogs in suitable homes for so many years with little problems. I've also spoken with other labradoodle owners from Rutland that have had their dogs for years and the coat stayed true and non shedding.
I'm going to make sure that I check out all rescue possibilities and other breed options. My fiancee and I have always really like labradoodles and the PWD so those are the main two we are considering.
If I buy from Rutland -- I will be going to Australia to look around the breeding facilities myself. My fiancee frequently goes there for work, and I would be able to go with him.
I have trouble going to dog shows because of the abundance of different breeds of dogs in the same place. It is difficult because my allergies and asthma to most dogs are severe and when I'm in a setting like that, I usually have a very severe asthma attack that sometimes requires hospitalization.
The reason I felt most comfortable with Rutland was because they've done the process of placing dogs in suitable homes for so many years with little problems. I've also spoken with other labradoodle owners from Rutland that have had their dogs for years and the coat stayed true and non shedding.
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There really are so many Labradoodles in shelters and rescues, I don't see any reason to pay a breeder for one. Especially considering you're just paying for a mixed breed. You can get that same non-shedding doddle from a shelter for around $100. Same dog, without the guilt of handing over money to a puppy mill. And I'm willing to bet said dog may have even started out as a puppy from one of these 'breeders'.
I'm glad you're looking into rescue, but please don't be fooled into thinking that Rutland hasn't had any problems. With the volume of dogs they breed how would they really know if their dogs ended up in shelters? They can't keep track of that many.
They're churning them out, taking the money and laughing all the way to the bank over the Americans that will shell out thousands for a mutt.
I'm glad you're looking into rescue, but please don't be fooled into thinking that Rutland hasn't had any problems. With the volume of dogs they breed how would they really know if their dogs ended up in shelters? They can't keep track of that many.
They're churning them out, taking the money and laughing all the way to the bank over the Americans that will shell out thousands for a mutt.