Omg Guess What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no no i didnt do that at all! i would never do that just to make money for another dog! she had her puppies a while back its been 3-4 months since they were born. i used that money to buy new crates and take rocky to a vet and im saving the rest of the money so i can go school shopping. not jsut to make a few bucks to get another dog
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I don't see any mention of a vet visit or vaccinations. I am sure the puppy producer didn't give him any. And God alone knows if his mother ever had any shots, or when she had them.
Were the parents tested for hips and cardio? I have a suspicion NOT.
No reputable breeder will let a puppy go before it is at least 10 weeks of age. But then again, few reputable breeders will advertise in the newspaper-----although I must admit I did place an ad or two over the years. I used the opportunity to educate those who answered the ads, and since I had a rare breed, most who called had had a Manchester at one time in their lives. A couple of those folks had to wait a year or more for me to have a litter though.
I hope this puppy will be a happy experience. I note the mention of crates, which is good. A crate trained puppy tends to live a longer happier life than those which are not crated.
I wish you luck......you will most definitely need it! And at least you can get the help you need from these forums!
I don't see any mention of a vet visit or vaccinations. I am sure the puppy producer didn't give him any. And God alone knows if his mother ever had any shots, or when she had them.
Were the parents tested for hips and cardio? I have a suspicion NOT.
No reputable breeder will let a puppy go before it is at least 10 weeks of age. But then again, few reputable breeders will advertise in the newspaper-----although I must admit I did place an ad or two over the years. I used the opportunity to educate those who answered the ads, and since I had a rare breed, most who called had had a Manchester at one time in their lives. A couple of those folks had to wait a year or more for me to have a litter though.
I hope this puppy will be a happy experience. I note the mention of crates, which is good. A crate trained puppy tends to live a longer happier life than those which are not crated.
I wish you luck......you will most definitely need it! And at least you can get the help you need from these forums!
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I think everything else in your post is right on the money manchesters, but many reputable breeders DO let puppies go to new homes before 10 weeks old. in fact the vast majority allow them to go home at 9 weeks old, and some still go home at 8 weeks old. personally I wouldnt use any breeder who allowed a puppy to go home before 9 weeks, among many many more criteria. I have heard of breeders who dont let pups go untill 12 and even 14 weeks old, but in america the vast majority of reputable breeders home their pups at 9 weeks old, not 10+.
Are you kidding me? You're not a reputable breeder if you let your dog go before 10 weeks?
No, I think anywhere around 8 weeks if O.K.
That's when about 90% of the breeders I know let their dogs go... 10 weeks is a little late but still O.K. in my opinion.
But I thought it was wrong of you to say that because if you ask every breeder that question you're going to get a different answer. To say that one breeder is not reputable because they sold their puppy at 10 weeks of age is wrong.
No, I think anywhere around 8 weeks if O.K.
That's when about 90% of the breeders I know let their dogs go... 10 weeks is a little late but still O.K. in my opinion.
But I thought it was wrong of you to say that because if you ask every breeder that question you're going to get a different answer. To say that one breeder is not reputable because they sold their puppy at 10 weeks of age is wrong.
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Reputable Breeders
As I have said elsewhere, there are only 2 legitimate reasons for breeding a litter of puppies---to improve upon the dogs the breeder has, or to replace dogs the breeder has. It is impossible to evaluate a puppy's conformation before at least 10 weeks of age. Reputable breeders do not have litters to sell puppies. They will have puppies that do not meet their criteria for showing or breeding purposes, and will sell these puppies to pet homes. Reputable breeders also will not sell pet puppies without a limited registration, and a spay neuter contract. I seriously doubt that most of the pet owners on these boards have even met a reputable breeder. They have most experience with BYBs and Puppy PRODUCERS---those who have puppies for the express purpose of selling them and making money.
How many here have gotten puppies that MUST be spayed and neutered or the papers will not be furnished? How many have bought puppies from people who have completely health tested the parent dogs? Not many, huh? Very sad.
And when I talk about reputable, educated breeders, I am referring to those who are dedicated to the breeds they are addicted to, and work only to improve and preserve that breed. Most of us are loathe to sell puppies to pet owners, but many simply cannot keep all the pups that they have. I was a lucky one. I was able to keep those pups that were not what I wanted to see in the ring. I have been blessed to have actually managed to improve upon the breed with the limited breeding I have done. Of course Manchesters are a rare breed....or at least were 12 years ago when I first became addicted to them.
Having people like Big Dog who do not have the faintest clue what they are talking about trying to tell me I don't know of what I speak is most comical. There is a giant rift between professional dog people and pet people. The goals are totally different. The pro works to preserve a breed. The pet owner could care less, in fact has no idea what the whole point is! But the pro and the pet people can pull together and work for the betterment of the various breeds.
Sadly the shelters are full of the produce of BYBs, and the casual pet owner who wants to pretend to be a breeder. There is much more to producing dogs than just putting two animals of opposite sex together. There is health testing required, bloodlines to consider, deciding whether to line breed, in breed or outcrossing, and then what to do next for the following 5 or 6 generations to be dealt with.
So no-----BREEDERS, in the absolute correct use of the word do not let puppies go prior to an age where they can be properly evaluated. And again-----do not confuse puppy producers with reputable breeders. It is easy to tell the difference. The BYB will sell pups before 10 weeks of age. The reputable breeder will not let a pup go before AT LEAST 10 weeks of age!!!!!!!!
Have any of you had your so called breeders explain why they were letting their pups go as pets? Incorrect layback of shoulder? Lack of rear angulation? Improper bite? Or just because they wanted the money they could make from it? Hhmmmmm?
As I have said elsewhere, there are only 2 legitimate reasons for breeding a litter of puppies---to improve upon the dogs the breeder has, or to replace dogs the breeder has. It is impossible to evaluate a puppy's conformation before at least 10 weeks of age. Reputable breeders do not have litters to sell puppies. They will have puppies that do not meet their criteria for showing or breeding purposes, and will sell these puppies to pet homes. Reputable breeders also will not sell pet puppies without a limited registration, and a spay neuter contract. I seriously doubt that most of the pet owners on these boards have even met a reputable breeder. They have most experience with BYBs and Puppy PRODUCERS---those who have puppies for the express purpose of selling them and making money.
How many here have gotten puppies that MUST be spayed and neutered or the papers will not be furnished? How many have bought puppies from people who have completely health tested the parent dogs? Not many, huh? Very sad.
And when I talk about reputable, educated breeders, I am referring to those who are dedicated to the breeds they are addicted to, and work only to improve and preserve that breed. Most of us are loathe to sell puppies to pet owners, but many simply cannot keep all the pups that they have. I was a lucky one. I was able to keep those pups that were not what I wanted to see in the ring. I have been blessed to have actually managed to improve upon the breed with the limited breeding I have done. Of course Manchesters are a rare breed....or at least were 12 years ago when I first became addicted to them.
Having people like Big Dog who do not have the faintest clue what they are talking about trying to tell me I don't know of what I speak is most comical. There is a giant rift between professional dog people and pet people. The goals are totally different. The pro works to preserve a breed. The pet owner could care less, in fact has no idea what the whole point is! But the pro and the pet people can pull together and work for the betterment of the various breeds.
Sadly the shelters are full of the produce of BYBs, and the casual pet owner who wants to pretend to be a breeder. There is much more to producing dogs than just putting two animals of opposite sex together. There is health testing required, bloodlines to consider, deciding whether to line breed, in breed or outcrossing, and then what to do next for the following 5 or 6 generations to be dealt with.
So no-----BREEDERS, in the absolute correct use of the word do not let puppies go prior to an age where they can be properly evaluated. And again-----do not confuse puppy producers with reputable breeders. It is easy to tell the difference. The BYB will sell pups before 10 weeks of age. The reputable breeder will not let a pup go before AT LEAST 10 weeks of age!!!!!!!!
Have any of you had your so called breeders explain why they were letting their pups go as pets? Incorrect layback of shoulder? Lack of rear angulation? Improper bite? Or just because they wanted the money they could make from it? Hhmmmmm?
Like I said, no wonder people hate you. You're being a *****.
And I find it comical when an arrogant woman who thinks she owns the planet tries to talk me down. I'm an excellent debater I could do this all night.
I do have the faintest clue what I'm talking about. Are you telling me the Monks of New Skete are unreputable breeders? Read one of their books.
You get a different answer from every breeder. I believe anywhere from 8 weeks and up is sufficient. 10 weeks is fine for me.
But to say anyone who sells their puppies before 10 weeks is not reputable, this statement along with a lot of yours, ARE STUPID!
And I find it comical when an arrogant woman who thinks she owns the planet tries to talk me down. I'm an excellent debater I could do this all night.
I do have the faintest clue what I'm talking about. Are you telling me the Monks of New Skete are unreputable breeders? Read one of their books.
You get a different answer from every breeder. I believe anywhere from 8 weeks and up is sufficient. 10 weeks is fine for me.
But to say anyone who sells their puppies before 10 weeks is not reputable, this statement along with a lot of yours, ARE STUPID!
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Manchesters... while much of what you post does show "some" wisdom, this sentence is absolutely insane, ludicrous, and condescending. Breeders "letting their pups go as pets" because they're insufficient of the breed standard? You mean no one should be getting a dog unless they're going to show it, or what!? I don't get where you're coming from with that statement...
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manchesters, I dont like puppy mills, back yard breeders, or cash breeders of any type any more than you do, probably less because I (and many other members here) seem to have a better understanding of the topic than you do. the vast majority of extremely reputable breeders let their pups go to new homes at 8 or 9 weeks of age. anything under that is too young. very very few keep them untill 10 weeks or older. and most breeders who do keep them longer than 9 weeks are breeding something like the doberman, and they crop the ears BEFORE sending them to new homes to ensure that IF they are going to be cropped it is done correctly.