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[AGonzalez]

People could ignore it but they chose not to. Nobody is FORCING anyone to read threads, hit the reply button, or make some of the deliberately hurtful comments that I saw on this thread.

I was honestly appalled at some of the things I've read on here tonight and I've been going on a variety of boards for years. I cannot sit here with a straight face and read people bitch about Tessa's immaturity when there are dogs with better impulse control than some of those same posters have shown on this thread. And it's not just on this thread--seriously--I swear Tessa could post "I just took a pee" and someone would come back with "What the hell are you doing peeing when you should be out getting off welfare!"

This thread was really just very sad to me.

So you never for 1 second looked at her posts and realize what the problem was?

Sorry, I made a post a while back and she posted something irritating in it, I was nice, she kept it up...I think most of the people were just to a breaking point, overstimulated by some of the foolishness she brings upon herself, and had enough.

So maybe it wasn't gone about in the right way, not everyone is the same and not everyone cares about being tactful and kind-hearted 24/7. I save that for people who actually ask questions and think about the answers, instead of telling everyone they're wrong for not agreeing with me right off the bat. What's the point of asking if you already know the answer, or think you do and will continue to preach?

Sorry, I can't get past some of it and the holier than thou attitude of hers, and for my responses I will not apologize, whether it makes me a bad person or not.

 

[sillysally]

So you never for 1 second looked at her posts and realize what the problem was?

Sorry, I made a post a while back and she posted something irritating in it, I was nice, she kept it up...I think most of the people were just to a breaking point, overstimulated by some of the foolishness she brings upon herself, and had enough.

So maybe it wasn't gone about in the right way, not everyone is the same and not everyone cares about being tactful and kind-hearted 24/7. I save that for people who actually ask questions and think about the answers, instead of telling everyone they're wrong for not agreeing with me right off the bat. What's the point of asking if you already know the answer, or think you do and will continue to preach?

Sorry, I can't get past some of it and the holier than thou attitude of hers, and for my responses I will not apologize, whether it makes me a bad person or not.

I don't really have the issue with Tessa that some posters seem to have, but I could see how some people could be offended by her posts. I have a family full of people with opinions just as strong as Tessa who are just as stubborn about them (and don't have the excuse of being young-lol) so I'm actually pretty used to it and learned long ago not to take what they say personally.

However, being offended by someone does is not an excuse for an internet gang beating. It is not an excuse for slamming her for being on public assistance at every opportunity (because O.M.G she's like, the only young mother to EVER be on assistance). I don't think it's necessary to be tactful 24/7 but is it really too much to ask for people in their 20's and 30's plus to not be deliberately cruel for fun?

If one of your kids were caught doing the real life version of this at school with 9 or 10 of his friends bullying one kid because they thought he was acting immature would you pat him on the head, say "It's OK son, that kid had it coming" and send him on his way?

I really don't care if you or anyone else apologizes or not, but I don't think it would kill anyone to remember that whether or not you like Tessa she is a real person in a challenging spot in her life. She may have a lot of growing up to do but after reading this thread she's hardly the only one.....

 

[noludoru]

People could ignore it but they chose not to. Nobody is FORCING anyone to read threads, hit the reply button, or make some of the deliberately hurtful comments that I saw on this thread.

I was honestly appalled at some of the things I've read on here tonight and I've been going on a variety of boards for years. I cannot sit here with a straight face and read people bitch about Tessa's immaturity when there are dogs with better impulse control than some of those same posters have shown on this thread. And it's not just on this thread--seriously--I swear Tessa could post "I just took a pee" and someone would come back with "What the hell are you doing peeing when you should be out getting off welfare!"

Not the threads she starts. I have her on ignore, so I usually ignore those unless five different people say "OMG Noly look at that trainwreck, it's hilarious, go read it" in which case I take a peek. She behaves the same way, sometimes worse, in other peoples' threads. It's a bit hard to ignore if you have started a thread and she turns it into a drama-fest. You can't see her posts, but you can see everyone's replies and quotes. After a certain point her ridiculous posts become unbearable for some of us.

Another big part of the problem is that despite her protests otherwise, she knows what she's doing and she does it deliberately. She makes snide remarks or implications, pisses people off, makes a few "you're attacking me/my religion/my beliefs and you're so mean and unfair" posts and then disappears from the thread by the time she has gotten everyone riled up. I know some of you genuinely like her, but this is a cycle of trollish behavior and it shouldn't take me pointing it out for you all to spot it.

Flamesuit on - but if it was someone with a newer join date and a post count of a lot less, this cycle would not be tolerated like it is.

And to address the welfare comment? If you can't afford to feed yourself, you can't afford a camera. Or batteries. Or film. Priorities. We call them priorities.

 

[AGonzalez]

If one of your kids were caught doing the real life version of this at school with 9 or 10 of his friends bullying one kid because they thought he was acting immature would you pat him on the head, say "It's OK son, that kid had it coming" and send him on his way?

I really don't care if you or anyone else apologizes or not, but I don't think it would kill anyone to remember that whether or not you like Tessa she is a real person in a challenging spot in her life. She may have a lot of growing up to do but after reading this thread she's hardly the only one.....

No I wouldn't pat my kid on the head and tell him good job. Then again, a 9 or 10 year old child is immature, and for the right reasons. They aren't suppose to be supporting themselves plus a baby, they don't have the responsibilities of an adult. I'm sorry you don't like me to begin with, you've been rude to be before, and I don't care really, but like I stated, I'm not saying it was handled correctly at all, but I'm still not ashamed and as an adult she had the option to just defend herself or ignore it. Instead she did the immature thing again and went running off.

Ever think poor Tessa is in a challenging spot due to her choices in life? Choices that she likes to flaunt? I feel bad for people in a bad place, I really do, but when your decisions are what are causing it, I have no sympathy - refer to signature.
She flaunted her gratiousness with food stamp fraud (because sharing them of any sort is a fraud) she flaunted it by buying a camera that someone on welfare should have thought twice about what that money could have been spent on - I don't have a problem with welfare recipients, but those that are abusing the system and making it publicly know that they are, well now that's a problem isn't it. If you have $200 to spend on a camera, then you could be buying something for your child, buying that stuff that you want (organic milk or whatever) instead of blowing money on something you don't NEED.

There's the problem I have. She is abusing her welfare and taking away money in a crap economy that maybe someone else needed more than her. But she has the opportunity to buy things others can't afford and suck up government money at the same time, no ma'am, that will never set right with me.

 

[noludoru]

Ever think poor Tessa is in a challenging spot due to her choices in life? Choices that she likes to flaunt? I feel bad for people in a bad place, I really do, but when your decisions are what are causing it, I have no sympathy - refer to signature.
She flaunted her gratiousness with food stamp fraud (because sharing them of any sort is a fraud) she flaunted it by buying a camera that someone on welfare should have thought twice about what that money could have been spent on - I don't have a problem with welfare recipients, but those that are abusing the system and making it publicly know that they are, well now that's a problem isn't it. If you have $200 to spend on a camera, then you could be buying something for your child, buying that stuff that you want (organic milk or whatever) instead of blowing money on something you don't NEED.

There's the problem I have. She is abusing her welfare and taking away money in a crap economy that maybe someone else needed more than her. But she has the opportunity to buy things others can't afford and suck up government money at the same time, no ma'am, that will never set right with me.

:hail::hail:

Exactly it.

She made decisions that got her to the point where she is now. When I first started reading Tessa's posts, she was all about abstinence and religion, going so far as to shove both down everyone else's throats. Then she started having premarital sex. Completely unprotected sex, despite the abundance of educational resources on why you should use birth control and the many resources that could have provided her with free or discounted birth control if she had only tried to find it. Her excuse? Natural family planning. But she didn't know how to do that properly and didn't even know the failure rate. (Hint: it's high.) Then she got pregnant. But she couldn't afford a baby, which was something she knew long before she got pregnant. Now she's on government assistance. Now she is ABUSING government assistance.

This was a 100% preventable situation, but she made one decision after another that led her here.

 

[sillysally]

Drama is a two way street. Most of us on here (including me) are guilty of it at some point--heck, just by posting on this thread still we are adding to the drama. But if you are participating in drama started by someone else, you are part of the problem too--it's hard to be a drama queen when there is nobody there to feed the drama.

Nope, people shouldn't do certain things while on assistance. We all got the the first fifty times it was mentioned. People need to pick up the pieces and move on with life already.

BUT, I still don't see how any drama created or misuse of funds while on food stamps justifies the deliberately nasty, cruel bullsh!t that was posted on this thread. It was not funny, it was not OK and IMHO there is nothing that Tessa has done that justified it.

 

[AGonzalez]

 

[GipsyQueen]

Drama is a two way street. Most of us on here (including me) are guilty of it at some point--heck, just by posting on this thread still we are adding to the drama. But if you are participating in drama started by someone else, you are part of the problem too--it's hard to be a drama queen when there is nobody there to feed the drama.

Nope, people shouldn't do certain things while on assistance. We all got the the first fifty times it was mentioned. People need to pick up the pieces and move on with life already.

BUT, I still don't see how any drama created or misuse of funds while on food stamps justifies the deliberately nasty, cruel bullsh!t that was posted on this thread. It was not funny, it was not OK and IMHO there is nothing that Tessa has done that justified it.

Its asking for drama though, if you continually ridicule people and have NO respect for others. (She however always wants respect from others?)
Sorry, but if someone says something against me, without me trying to redicule her in any way whats so ever. Then yes, I'm going to defend myself. Or if she starts bringing people into the disscusion who are in an etirely different situation than she is - then yes, there is going to be drama. M&M never said anything dramatic against her - she stated her opinion and then her name gets draggen through the mud? That is so wrong! Or Breeze, who is in a completly different situation gets belittled by her? Again so wrong! I think people have every right to defend themselves.
The hard feelings aren't just coming from this thread, but from threads that have continually come up from years on end. It's no wonder people get irked at her threads - even if they try to ignore them.
She's never taken ANY advice. Most threads DO start out pretty civil. People again and again try to give her advice. She never takes it.

 

[sillysally]

No I wouldn't pat my kid on the head and tell him good job. Then again, a 9 or 10 year old child is immature, and for the right reasons. They aren't suppose to be supporting themselves plus a baby, they don't have the responsibilities of an adult. I'm sorry you don't like me to begin with, you've been rude to be before, and I don't care really, but like I stated, I'm not saying it was handled correctly at all, but I'm still not ashamed and as an adult she had the option to just defend herself or ignore it. Instead she did the immature thing again and went running off.

Ever think poor Tessa is in a challenging spot due to her choices in life? Choices that she likes to flaunt? I feel bad for people in a bad place, I really do, but when your decisions are what are causing it, I have no sympathy - refer to signature.
She flaunted her gratiousness with food stamp fraud (because sharing them of any sort is a fraud) she flaunted it by buying a camera that someone on welfare should have thought twice about what that money could have been spent on - I don't have a problem with welfare recipients, but those that are abusing the system and making it publicly know that they are, well now that's a problem isn't it. If you have $200 to spend on a camera, then you could be buying something for your child, buying that stuff that you want (organic milk or whatever) instead of blowing money on something you don't NEED.

There's the problem I have. She is abusing her welfare and taking away money in a crap economy that maybe someone else needed more than her. But she has the opportunity to buy things others can't afford and suck up government money at the same time, no ma'am, that will never set right with me.

Actually, I don't dislike you at all. I can't say that I really dislike anyone on here....

The fact is that most people who are in challenging spots are there because of choices they've made one way or another. We all make bad decisions--it's part of being human and growing.

For the record, I don't agree with her choices to share food stamps or buy things while on welfare. I think it was selfish and thoughtless. But you know what? If I verbally flogged everyone who did things that I didn't agree with I'd have no job, no husband, and no friends.

I'm sure you think I'm being too nice to Tessa, but I really don't see what good comes out of being nasty in this situation.

 

[noludoru]

Drama is a two way street. Most of us on here (including me) are guilty of it at some point--heck, just by posting on this thread still we are adding to the drama.

Okay, this is all I've got when it comes to LOLcats.

 

[sillysally]

Its asking for drama though, if you continually ridicule people and have NO respect for others. (She however always wants respect from others?)
Sorry, but if someone says something against me, without me trying to redicule her in any way whats so ever. Then yes, I'm going to defend myself. Or if she starts bringing people into the disscusion who are in an etirely different situation than she is - then yes, there is going to be drama. M&M never said anything dramatic against her - she stated her opinion and then her name gets draggen through the mud? That is so wrong! Or Breeze, who is in a completly different situation gets belittled by her? Again so wrong! I think people have every right to defend themselves.
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Yeah, most of the nasty posts were not people defending themselves. Actually, M&M said that she thought that people were being too mean to tessa and taking things to far and said that the thread should be closed I believe......

Look, people don't like Tessa. I get it. All I'm saying that the level of cruelty I saw in the thread was unnecessary and wrong--and I'm not the only one who feels that way. I'm sorry if that bothers people, but that's just the way I feel.

 

[AGonzalez]

 

[GipsyQueen]

Yeah, most of the nasty posts were not people defending themselves. Actually, M&M said that she thought that people were being too mean to tessa and taking things to far and said that the thread should be closed I believe......
Look, people don't like Tessa. I get it. All I'm saying that the level of cruelty I saw in the thread was unnecessary and wrong--and I'm not the only one who feels that way. I'm sorry if that bothers people, but that's just the way I feel.

The latest nasty posts occured from Tessa pulling Breeze into this thread. People defended her.
Yeah, I read what M&M wrote, she was being perfectly civil. Tessa's reply on the other hand, was not.

It was unnecessary of her to tell others, who for example had a c-section, that they were doing something wrong. Just as it was unnecessary of her to put Breeze and her on the same level, or tell M&M that she was just as inexpirenced. A wrong for a wrong doesn't do a right by any means, but there comes a point when you can't take it anymore.

 

[Zoom]

This seems like a good place to end this thread. It's ended up in the same spot as most of the related threads and that's not Milwaukee.

Tonight's pearls of wisdom: Say what you mean and mean what you say. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. If everyone around you is wrong, maybe you should take a look at yourself.

And don't stick forks in light sockets. That's just a good rule to live by for everyday use.