Fila Owners (questions, what else?)

[House Of Jurai]

Can you please quote where someone said Filas never bite?
Anyway, I'm much more inclined to listen to the argument of people who have lived with and trained Filas than any other. And slinging insults at others is doing nothing for your argument or the image you're putting out of yourself.

Read through the posts here. As for Fila temperment just call any CAFIB breeder. They will tell you that the breed is an attack breed.

 

[Renee750il]

Hmmm . . . never spoken to any reputable Fila people/breeders who described the Fila as anything other than defensive. And their instinct is to hold, not bite to kill. That's why they were held in such high regard by slaveowners back in the day. They could track and run down runaways and catch and hold them without damaging their value.

It's a good thing no one is giving your assertions any credence HJ. Nonsense like that is why I won't be bothered with the molosser or Fila boards. All your type accomplishes is making OUR dogs attractive to the sorts who have made the lives of Pits and Rotties miserable. If there were more people with your yen for talking this sort of testosterone-driven hype about OUR dogs, we'd be having to fend off every dope-dealer, ghetto lord wannabe out there.

 

[House Of Jurai]

Hmmm . . . never spoken to any reputable Fila people/breeders who described the Fila as anything other than defensive. And their instinct is to hold, not bite to kill. That's why they were held in such high regard by slaveowners back in the day. They could track and run down runaways and catch and hold them without damaging their value.

It's a good thing no one is giving your assertions any credence HJ. Nonsense like that is why I won't be bothered with the molosser or Fila boards. All your type accomplishes is making OUR dogs attractive to the sorts who have made the lives of Pits and Rotties miserable. If there were more people with your yen for talking this sort of testosterone-driven hype about OUR dogs, we'd be having to fend off every dope-dealer, ghetto lord wannabe out there.

How would you suggest a Fila holds? Without biting? Do magical arms spring out? Lets see, a breed that was created and bred to exhibit a total hatred of strangers yet they do not bite and can be owned by any Joe Blow in suburbia. Nice try.

 

[planet molosser]

FCI standard

BEHAVIOUR/TEMPERAMENT : Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of its characteristics. With its owners and family it is docile, obedient and extremely tolerant with children. Its loyalty is proverbial, insistingly seeking the company of its master.

One of its characteristics is its aloofness towards strangers. It displays a calm disposition, distinctive self-assurance and self-confidence, remaining unperturbed by strange noises or circumstances. An unsurpassed guardian of properties, it also instinctively indulges in big game hunting and cattle herding

 

[House Of Jurai]

Hmmm . . . never spoken to any reputable Fila people/breeders who described the Fila as anything other than defensive. And their instinct is to hold, not bite to kill. That's why they were held in such high regard by slaveowners back in the day. They could track and run down runaways and catch and hold them without damaging their value.

It's a good thing no one is giving your assertions any credence HJ. Nonsense like that is why I won't be bothered with the molosser or Fila boards. All your type accomplishes is making OUR dogs attractive to the sorts who have made the lives of Pits and Rotties miserable. If there were more people with your yen for talking this sort of testosterone-driven hype about OUR dogs, we'd be having to fend off every dope-dealer, ghetto lord wannabe out there.

I am saying that 99.9% of the worlds population has no business owning a Fila yet you try to blame me for promotion of the breed to ghetto types? I would suggest that the "they are no more dangerous than a Chihuahua" would do more to get these dogs into the wrong hands than me pointing out that most should not think of owning this breed. Of course the "no more dangerous than a Chihuahua" is a stance you are promoting as well so that is a real tough one to figure out.

 

[Renee750il]

Your assertions that they are an "attack" breed are the kinds of things that attract the ghetto lord wannabes. Regardless of how inaccurate any comparison to a chihuahua is, that type of owner doesn't want a dog someone might compare to a chi. That type of owner wants the Pit-Bull-On-Steroids, hyper aggressive dog that you so erroneously describe.

Go ruin your own chosen breed if you feel compelled to ruin something. Leave mine alone.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

... "no more dangerous than a Chihuahua" is a stance you are promoting as well so that is a real tough one to figure out.

*I* am the one that made the crack about the chi. You do know what a joke is I would hope? I guess you only read what you want in threads as I've said that that was a joke said to make a point.

At this point, I am very thankful you don't own a Fila and only claim to have worked with many of them. Why don't you start a thread about a breed that you know some facts about?

 

[Cassiepeia]

Pardon me for butting in, but I believe the Chihuahua remark was a joke and possibly had more to do with how unstable a lot of (not all ) Chihuahuas (and Chihuahua owners) are and how stable the majority of Filas are (just going by what I've read...don't shoot me, I've never owned or met one). At least, that's how I took it as I read the post.

Also the whole "they don't bite", "they do bite" thing is just ridiculous. As I read it, saying they aren't bred to bite means (to me) that they're not bred to just attack people. I read this thread and other sites and get the impression that they are intelligent and reserved with their actions and will use physical force (including biting) when truely neccessary, but are not the type of dog to just bite for the heck of it.

To argue that people say the dogs "don't bite", as if that means they never use their mouths...ever, is the most childish thing I've read on a forum. No sane person would ever say a dog (of any breed) would never, ever, in its entire existance bite. And no one has said that here.

This is a great and very informative thread. Apart from that little miscommunication. Although perhaps I misread it too. *shrugs*

Cass.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

Pardon me for butting in, but I believe the Chihuahua remark was a joke and possibly had more to do with how unstable a lot of (not all ) Chihuahuas (and Chihuahua owners) are and how stable the majority of Filas are (just going by what I've read...don't shoot me, I've never owned or met one). At least, that's how I took it as I read the post.

Also the whole "they don't bite", "they do bite" thing is just ridiculous. As I read it, saying they aren't bred to bite means (to me) that they're not bred to just attack people. I read this thread and other sites and get the impression that they are intelligent and reserved with their actions and will use physical force (including biting) when truely neccessary, but are not the type of dog to just bite for the heck of it.

To argue that people say the dogs "don't bite", as if that means they never use their mouths...ever, is the most childish thing I've read on a forum. No sane person would ever say a dog (of any breed) would never, ever, in its entire existance bite. And no one has said that here.

This is a great and very informative thread. Apart from that little miscommunication. Although perhaps I misread it too. *shrugs*

Cass.

Thank the high heavens. :hail: Someone gets it! You are hereby declared my favorite person of the day. :hail: Lucky you!

 

[Whisper]

Thank you Cass!

 

[Cassiepeia]

You are hereby declared my favorite person of the day.

WooHoo!

Cass.

 

[Zoom]

Just a thought here...ever heard of the retrieving breeds? You know, the Labradors, Goldens, Nova Scotia's, etc? Remember that little detail about how they were bred to retrieve, which means HOLDING something in their mouth without damaging it? I'm pretty sure the same concept of being able to hold firmly without damage applies, albiet on a much more intense scale, to the Fila.

Geez, the way HJ is talking, I'm lucky to be talking to you people at all. I've met Renee's Kharma, been kissed by her, was able to talk/cuddle and pet her while Renee was at the store and even got her to pose for a group shot and give her treats without pulling back more than a slobbery hand. This is the same dog that I hear just about destroyed someone's car that came to her farm and wasn't told to back off.

I fully intend on owning a Fila someday. I also fully intend on socializing the dickens out of it it's entire life, so they can move comfortably in society without losing their minds because they cannot distinguish between actual threats and just day to day stuff.

From what I understand, if you get mauled by a Fila, it's probably because you weren't smart enough to freeze the second you realized there was a Fila in the vicinity. Are they incredibly protective? You bet your eyeteeth they are. Are there many out there that are constantly in overdrive? Of course. Is every single Fila out there in that same category? Not by a longshot, buster.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

I fully intend on owning a Fila someday. I also fully intend on socializing the dickens out of it it's entire life, so they can move comfortably in society without losing their minds because they cannot distinguish between actual threats and just day to day stuff.

Careful, according to HJ in the thread below this one you must have 1500 set aside to own a dog. All of us who paid less are evil and apparently tooly, and HJ would never sell us a pup. *tear*

 

[Buddy'sParents]

That's a shame. ^ No wait... I think I might like being evil.

 

[Aussie Red]

Well according to HJ a Fila is just a large Wolverine in disguise and no one better own one and we all need to beware that our lives are in danger right ? As I said he hasn't met up with an ACD who BTW are bred to guard and protect as well. I would hate to think that all people can be swayed into the belief that Filas are just killers. As I say I have never met one personally but if they are as bad as what HJ is saying I am sure that we would be seeing records and news reports on these horrible monsters. Being that the first Fila that I had ever even heard about was Renee's I doubt I would but any of what HJ is trying to sell. Sorry but I have known a great number of " aggressive" breeds that are socialized or at least trained to behave in a public situation.
Let's take Whiskey. Is he aggressive ? Let me say this I pity the poor fool who thinks that he isn't and tries to pet him while I am not there. Would he kill ? More likely then not. Could you pet him and play with him ? That is a big YES after he has been shown you are ok by me. Does he attack in public when on leash ? No because he knows I did not want him to do that. Will he attack on leash if I am being threatened ? Big time. It is called training. I think HJ has either been fed a line of BS or has met untrained Filas.

 

[blue]

After reading this thread, the only reason I can think of not to be bummed out of not addopting a Fila when I had the chance is I wouldnt have Verde.

Ive met and been slobberred on by Kharma. Having watched Renee and Kharma interact I know now that when I get the chance I will have a Fila some day. I realize that will nesecitate various changes in my home and yard but it will be worth it to enjoy the company of a magnificent breed.

People like HJ made me doubt whether I could own a Fila, Renee has taught me better.

 

[House Of Jurai]

Just a thought here...ever heard of the retrieving breeds? You know, the Labradors, Goldens, Nova Scotia's, etc? Remember that little detail about how they were bred to retrieve, which means HOLDING something in their mouth without damaging it? I'm pretty sure the same concept of being able to hold firmly without damage applies, albiet on a much more intense scale, to the Fila.

Geez, the way HJ is talking, I'm lucky to be talking to you people at all. I've met Renee's Kharma, been kissed by her, was able to talk/cuddle and pet her while Renee was at the store and even got her to pose for a group shot and give her treats without pulling back more than a slobbery hand. This is the same dog that I hear just about destroyed someone's car that came to her farm and wasn't told to back off.

I fully intend on owning a Fila someday. I also fully intend on socializing the dickens out of it it's entire life, so they can move comfortably in society without losing their minds because they cannot distinguish between actual threats and just day to day stuff.

From what I understand, if you get mauled by a Fila, it's probably because you weren't smart enough to freeze the second you realized there was a Fila in the vicinity. Are they incredibly protective? You bet your eyeteeth they are. Are there many out there that are constantly in overdrive? Of course. Is every single Fila out there in that same category? Not by a longshot, buster.

I am really sure that if you came onto the property of a Fila uninvited, the dog would just prance up to you with a soft mouth and gently lead by the hand off of the property. Whatever u say. :lol-sign:

 

[blue]

I am really sure that if you came onto the property of a Fila uninvited, the dog would just prance up to you with a soft mouth and gently lead by the hand off of the property. Whatever u say. :lol-sign:

A HS friend had an Akita, his family had an agreement with the Electric Company that the meter reader would only come on the same day every month. One month a new reader enterred their yard not on the agreed day, my friend came home from school to find said meter reader on his back in the driveway with his Akita's mouth on his groin. Any time the meter reader started to move the dog put preasure on the groin. At no time did the dog actually bite the meter reader.

From what I have heard from Akita owners the meter reader should have been hospitalised and the dog put down at the very best outcome.

I doubt Renee's Kharma is the exception to the rule. You are the same type of fear monger that the pit bull community has to deal with. So go lay down.

 

[House Of Jurai]

A HS friend had an Akita, his family had an agreement with the Electric Company that the meter reader would only come on the same day every month. One month a new reader enterred their yard not on the agreed day, my friend came home from school to find said meter reader on his back in the driveway with his Akita's mouth on his groin. Any time the meter reader started to move the dog put preasure on the groin. At no time did the dog actually bite the meter reader.

From what I have heard from Akita owners the meter reader should have been hospitalised and the dog put down at the very best outcome.

I doubt Renee's Kharma is the exception to the rule. You are the same type of fear monger that the pit bull community has to deal with. So go lay down.

I am not a big fan of misrepresenting breeds. Fila's are serious guard dogs who will attack an intruder or someone that they feel as a threat. This drive is instinctive within the breed. That is a fact, sorry you don't like it but because you don't doesn't make it so. If that makes me a "fear" monger, so be it. A Fila in 99.9% of average pet owner households is a deisaster waiting to happen.

And BTW: in your example neither Akita breed was created with being a guard dog in mind. It is comparing an apple to an orange. An orange will always be an orange, even if you don't wnat them to be.

 

[Buddy'sParents]

I am not a big fan of misrepresenting breeds.

Then perhaps you should stop doing it.

People who know what a Fila is know what the fila is all about- the temperament, the true heart of the breed. What people who are uneducated about Filas do not need is someone like you mislabeling the breed and painting it like a monster. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that. This isn't rocket science. You have a misguided perception of the breed- this is how BSL starts so perhaps you should stop while the Filas are still ahead.