Do They Need These 2nd Vacinations?
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I know someone who believed dogs got enough immunity from the dam and was anti vaccs. Big into schutzhund.. Guy with a littermate to his dog believed the same. Apparently they had titered, levels were fine. Dogs were 2-2.5 years old and they both caught parvo. His dog lived, just barely, the littermate died. They both do puppy vaccs now to try to have a little more safety zone..
I don't think there's a clearcut answer to any of it, but I don't think not vaccinating is necessarily safe.. I do see over vaccinating as a risk, but I think under vaccinating is another risk.
I don't think there's a clearcut answer to any of it, but I don't think not vaccinating is necessarily safe.. I do see over vaccinating as a risk, but I think under vaccinating is another risk.
Ozzy had the full regimen of parvo/distemper shots as a puppy, and he still caught parvo at six months old. He barely survived.
He just got a booster shot for both parvo and distemper a little while ago as well as his rabies shot. I didn't do rabies until he was seven months(because he was sick for about two weeks, and then I waited another two to give him time to recover at six months old), and then when he was a year a a half I did the one year vaccine again..
So, nothing is fool proof, or completely going to protect against ALL strains of parvo. Its a hardy virus.
(Buddy'sParents, could you tell me how you do natural HW preventive? That sounds like something I could definitely get behind, since Ozzy might have the M1DR (or whatever it is
) gene. He gets the other HW pill that doesn't have invermectin in it, but if there was a way to do it naturally, that'd be GREAT.)
He just got a booster shot for both parvo and distemper a little while ago as well as his rabies shot. I didn't do rabies until he was seven months(because he was sick for about two weeks, and then I waited another two to give him time to recover at six months old), and then when he was a year a a half I did the one year vaccine again..
So, nothing is fool proof, or completely going to protect against ALL strains of parvo. Its a hardy virus.
(Buddy'sParents, could you tell me how you do natural HW preventive? That sounds like something I could definitely get behind, since Ozzy might have the M1DR (or whatever it is
) gene. He gets the other HW pill that doesn't have invermectin in it, but if there was a way to do it naturally, that'd be GREAT.)- Joined
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I denounce it because more than just my dog HAS been the exception. I have no doubt that most of what vets do is good for the health of our dogs... Buddy recovered from Parvo, Bella had glaucoma and had her eye removed, our cat had major surgery to remove a block in his intestine... I could go on and on about how great modern medicine CAN be... but a simple google search with readings from reputable sources as well reading others stories can also show how great it also NOT in some cases. I'm sorry but I don't feel a need to inject those very diseases we are trying to vaccinate against into my dog to provide immunity. Besides, if I listened to what my vet had to say about most things, I'd be feeding Purina Pro Plan, giving Buddy medications that send him through the roof and make him gain weight. My dogs are much better with an educated owner and not a sheep. All done.
I am pro 3 rounds of puppy vacc's now.... I used to believe two were enough, years ago thats all they did, then I had a puppy who it turned out had immune issues, she caught Parvo and died at 6 months of age.... ((BTW we have no clue where she caught it as she never left home and no one here had ever had it before)) A year after that just as I was struggling to decide my future in the breed and if I wanted to even breed anymore I had two pups left from what turned out to be my last litter, they were 14 weeks old and had had 1st and 2nd shots, had never left our backyard and were healthy... Then they got sick and we fought very hard for them but lost them. The heartbreak of that situation finished me for breeding…. I have never had a puppy on my property again that was under 4 months of age and not fully vaccinated... Nor will I ever not fully vaccinate… I just won't take the chance. I respect others choices to do things differently, I am just too haunted by that experience to ever do anything but full vaccinations.
So how do you plan on keeping your dog safe? Or are you just counting on everybody else to vaccinate and relying on herd immunity to protect your dog? Which is all well and good until, well, it's not. And the more people who jump on this "ZOMG vaccines are teh evil" bandwagon, the weaker herd immunity becomes.
First of all, many vaccines are required by law- so figure that out.
Titering is a good option, but I have never heard of it done on puppies. Puppies are so vulnerable and having a dog go through parvo, I'd want to to everything possible to prevent it...
We do the 3 round vaccination program like GO described.
From there we do rabies every 3 years and titer the rest- except Summer. Summer has to get certain vaccines more often in order to be allowed in the nursing homes/hospitals the therapy dog group goes to.
Titering is a good option, but I have never heard of it done on puppies. Puppies are so vulnerable and having a dog go through parvo, I'd want to to everything possible to prevent it...
We do the 3 round vaccination program like GO described.
From there we do rabies every 3 years and titer the rest- except Summer. Summer has to get certain vaccines more often in order to be allowed in the nursing homes/hospitals the therapy dog group goes to.
Here are my mixed thoughts on vaccinations...
There is a strong documented link between the former flu shots and the hight rate of autism in children. They changed that shot, but still.
We are losing herd immunity. In people we have very little natural immunity to small pox, it is now considered a 'good' bio terror weapon for that reason.
I know of a litter where one pup, do to its future owner did not get ANY shots. The whole litter got parvo (for get if they ever figured out how they litter got exposed), the one who was the least sick was the one with out the vaccination. Now I am not saying its not because of the lack of getting the shot, just saying it makes me question the efficacy of the shot.
With horses west nile is very dangerous issue, and horses are often immunized multiple times a year to protect them. Horses who have gotten the shot 4 times a year still get it and die, and its shown signs of being teratogenic. (caused birth defects)
My dogs do get shots though. I will only do vaccinations that are going to give them a clear benefit if they are exposed to the disease. If its a disease that mutates rapidly, then I don't bother. Same with me and my family, we don't do the flu shot, but we do get tetanus.
I am not a fan of poisoning my dog but when Dekka and Snip were doing some hunting they were on Advantage. When we go out hunting again, they will be on it again.
There is a strong documented link between the former flu shots and the hight rate of autism in children. They changed that shot, but still.
We are losing herd immunity. In people we have very little natural immunity to small pox, it is now considered a 'good' bio terror weapon for that reason.
I know of a litter where one pup, do to its future owner did not get ANY shots. The whole litter got parvo (for get if they ever figured out how they litter got exposed), the one who was the least sick was the one with out the vaccination. Now I am not saying its not because of the lack of getting the shot, just saying it makes me question the efficacy of the shot.
With horses west nile is very dangerous issue, and horses are often immunized multiple times a year to protect them. Horses who have gotten the shot 4 times a year still get it and die, and its shown signs of being teratogenic. (caused birth defects)
My dogs do get shots though. I will only do vaccinations that are going to give them a clear benefit if they are exposed to the disease. If its a disease that mutates rapidly, then I don't bother. Same with me and my family, we don't do the flu shot, but we do get tetanus.
I am not a fan of poisoning my dog but when Dekka and Snip were doing some hunting they were on Advantage. When we go out hunting again, they will be on it again.
We can do that in Brazos? I know back home (Gulf Coast, Jefferson county) you're required to get it every year.
Problem with that is every dog responds differently to it in their recovery. Seen a lot of parvo dogs in my time working at the clinic and this is certainly not the norm. The ones without a vaccination usually do the worst, because we don't even see the ones that do get a vaccination except very rarely. Often times that's only because the owner never came back to finish it up. They got one and that's it.
How exactly are you poisoning your dog? What are you poisoning them with? Ivermectin? Fipronil/Imadaclop? Selamectin? What do you consider poison?
Problem with that is every dog responds differently to it in their recovery. Seen a lot of parvo dogs in my time working at the clinic and this is certainly not the norm. The ones without a vaccination usually do the worst, because we don't even see the ones that do get a vaccination except very rarely. Often times that's only because the owner never came back to finish it up. They got one and that's it.
How exactly are you poisoning your dog? What are you poisoning them with? Ivermectin? Fipronil/Imadaclop? Selamectin? What do you consider poison?
de worming medications are toxic. Yes in small doses they are not harmful, but not likely good, I do have concerns for long term use, so only use them when the risks are high.
GO I find it strange you are so anti aspartame which has been shown to be much safer by the scientific community than de wormers.
GO I find it strange you are so anti aspartame which has been shown to be much safer by the scientific community than de wormers.
I think BP brings up alot of good points. I myself give 3 sets of puppy shots and 1 rabies at 6 months. Titers yearly after that.
GO, I think the point BP is making is that if you titer test you know the dogs immunity to the disease. If needed, then go ahead. And I am sure there are far more in vaccines that would be considered poisonous such as preservatives, etc.
GO, I think the point BP is making is that if you titer test you know the dogs immunity to the disease. If needed, then go ahead. And I am sure there are far more in vaccines that would be considered poisonous such as preservatives, etc.